How can women flourish in the corporate world
The article stood out to me and I felt it would be useful for me to gain insight from others who have experience in the corporate world regarding this issue. I was interested in this particularly because I am a young female aspiring to succeed in the corporate world and would like to hear opinions on the type of struggles women face in these jobs. I hope to get some examples besides the common issues of discrimination by co-workers, problems with getting promoted and flexibility in working hours as women may have children to look after etc, what would your advice be to a young woman trying to climb the corporate ladder.
I am expecting to get rude answers from participants on here but I hope that at least some are kind and respectful enough to give useful and appropriate answers.
Thanks
you can start by not being so damn cynical there, jiggles.
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If women want to "flourish" at anything, they better look damn good. But then, if this is the case, what the fuck they would be doing in the corporate world. P.S. In Wall Street warriors there was one hot blond chick that was apparently half german half persian or something, and she was presented as extremely successful at cutting deals. I mean with such looks... point made.
Remember to develop yourself beyond just the technical skills of the roles that you are pursuing. i.e. negotiation skills, interpersonal skills and your network. Pursue an MBA from an M7 school.
Also, don't be afraid to apply to jobs that are slightly out of your reach or to ask for more pay come promotion time. All of the men who I know who get paid above their peers do so because they: 1 - proactively put forward their case for more money, or 2 - they put themselves forward for higher paying roles.
I've only had one boss who was a woman. She made a good deal of money, but would have made even more if she was more aggressive about negotiating a larger share of carried interest for herself and our team at the time.
Do you look like precious in the movie? If so, yes because no one will say shit to you for fear of getting fired.
This is by no means scientific, and I'm just a student, but here's my $.02:
1) People like to hire someone that is similar to them because they have a connection and it helps them understand the other person. Are you going to hire someone you don't understand? No.
2) Men and women obviously have difficulty understanding each other. This is your biggest hurdle. If you can find a way to get a male interviewer/hiring party to understand (if not respect) your story, you're on your way to getting a job.
3) You don't have to go out, party, and be one of the boys to be accepted. You just have to be friendly, not a bitch, and willing to acknowledge that there are people out there with different views then you.
4) If someone is being an uber douche (sexist, to the point of making you uncomfortable) and you need to take it up with HR, then do it. If they're like most guys (just your run of the mill douche that makes sexist comments), congratulate them on having a small penis and walk away. Not advisable to use this on a VP/MD
5) The biggest mistake you can make is assuming that you're not getting a job/promotion/raise just because you're a woman and going and making a big fuss about it. You have to a) do a damn good job, b) show people the job you're doing is good, and c) fight for raises/higher bonuses regardless of whether you're a man or woman. Now, in the event you do get passed over and you're sure it's solely because of your gender, I'd just try and go to another firm. You can go the lawsuit/HR route, but that always has the potential to fuck you over in the future.
Hahaha I actually just read a great article-probably only the only legit article on Women in the Workplace that wasn't some girl whining about why her job sucks so much. If I find it i'll post it.
I'll try to summarize it without butchering her message:
What I remember reading is to try to understand the differences between men and womens way of interacting with their respective sex. Women can be passive aggressive, indirect, not loud enough with their opinions, etc.
Some of her advice was: 1. If you don't have the tools or ability to do a task asked of you-let it be known right away! Men aren't afraid to ask for more help or extra info! Be direct! 2. Don't be afraid to call someone out and be direct about your opinions. Men despise indirectness-it wastes time. Women are indirect because they try to be careful of others feelings. Not a good trait in the office. 3. Don't try too hard to be one of the guys-but don't be out of the loop either. Also don't be too polite with your coworkers, guys see excessive politeness as a sign of insincerity and bullshit. Your coworkers also won't be afraid to ignore your requests.
Again I'll try and find the article, because my summary isn't great. It is specifically for women in finance.
One thing to remember is not to walk around with a chip on your shoulder. Notice that in your post, you asked for examples of discrimination before advice. It is also worded like women receive unwarranted challenges, instead of asking about women's faults within the workplace as well. Both are important.
U can Operate in the kitchen no?? lol..jk.
I would honestly read the 48 laws of power and keep it in the back of your mind. women have power, most just don't know how to use it....
Just remember that "suceeding in the corporate world" sometimes comes at a cost (in my opinion anyways) - namely your attractiveness to males.
Apart from that, good luck!
I have always thought that those who look for discrimination will find it. It's an easy crutch for women to say that it's the "alpha male" or "sexist" culture keeping them back, when it probably isn't affecting them as much as feminists want women to believe.
The biggest idea that I would have would be to toe the line between being a doormat and a bitch. Men toe the line between pussy and asshole. I can tolerate an asshole, but bitches...not as much. Possibly because I could imagine yelling at or beating the shit out of an asshole male boss when I quit (even though that would never happen), but not so much a woman. Things I would say for everyone.
People out there need to learn to TAKE A FUCKING JOKE. Whoever it is (who generally tend to be Asian women, I realize this sounds racist)-no matter race or sex I will hate with a passion. If I make a joke or observation about someone (in one case it was "We've been here for like 6 hours and done nothing for the project in an hour) and the reply is "maybe you should get a fucking job before you criticize me"- it will forever color my view of the person. (This happened to me in school this fall). If the joke is offensive and repeated I think its better to just voice it to the person before going to HR or something. People tend to make racist, sexist, or other offensive jokes and sometime even to the population in question because they don't think it hurts them...hell I do it sometimes and think it's hilarious. But if they were offended or hurt or embarrassed, I would be fine if they told me to stop- because like most people, I don't have a malicious intent. But if they decided to try to get me fired for a one-off or non-vocal opinion I would try to screw them over as much as possible.
Act less stressed out and manic toward your coworkers- even if you are. I am sure that when you have had an all-nighter or two people will be more forgiving, but I know tons of people who can't handle stress at all and start to bitch and yell at people. I realize X project is due in 4 hours, hell we may even be on the same team, but I'm not gonna be the one hurling insults or starting fruitless confrontations. I definitely have some of my friends in this category, I will never work with them again after they did this- and if I was making hiring decisions I doubt I would put someone who I know had a problem with stress in a postion where he has to manage any of it. That means no promotion for him.
Temper your reactions. If a dude comes up to me and tells me and is like "That joke you just made hurt my feelings" I would probably call him a pussy. On the other hand if he was like "Dude, stop making these jokes, I'm tired of them" or yelled at me, I'd be like...OK I get it. On the other hand if a woman yells at me I tend to think of her as a bitch, and the more muted reaction is preferable. Meh...gender stereotyping I guess.
ugh this feminism bullshit just really really pisses me off. original article link is LOLOLOLOL.
Here is an easy guide for women to succeed in corporate world(note this only applies to the biggest feminists, there are some legitimate issues women do face that have nothing to do with steps below):
1) Study a proper subject, no your course in early history of the ladybird is not worth shit. Neither is your management course with a focus in human resources
2) Get a top notch grad level job, no hr or other backoffice does not count.
3) Welcome to success in the corporate world.
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