Before this gets de-bumped, I am genuinely curious as to how Trump was able to court so many minority votes? Particularly from Latino and Black males. While on the flip side, White males favored Biden.
Could someone give a non-partisan, factual answer? Really just wondering if there will be a minority red wave in the future. I am from a mixed-family whose always voted Republican, and it seems that the trend is headed that way.
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It seems that Trump marginally improved his numbers among Latino and Black men, as you pointed out, and Latinos in general. Latinos are not a voting block in the same way Black people traditionally have been, mostly because "Latinos" are diverse from group to group. Cubans in particularly went for Trump due to fears of "socialism," but Latinos overall are more socially conservative and religious than other groups. Trump picking some of them up isn't beyond the scope of reason.
That said, Trump did not "win the minority vote" by any stretch of the imagination.
There could absolutely be a "minority red wave" in the future. The problem is that it involves retreating from the constituencies that the GOP has been doubling down on again and again since the Southern Strategy went into place. Latinos should vote for Republicans. They tend to be religious and socially conservative, which are two huge indicators of voting preference for the GOP. Same with blacks, who are often evangelical. Of course, when your candidate for POTUS is explicitly running on a platform that Central Americans are rapists and murderers and drug dealers, that does tend to erode support. Or when he's been an open bigot for his entire adult life (New Yorkers will remember the Central Park Five).
The problem is that Republican strategists have been courting uneducated and poor white folks by telling them that it's Latinos who are coming to steal jobs and deal drugs and erode "American values" for decades, so it's not as if they can turn around and welcome the "enemy" constituency with open arms without alienating their existing base. Remember the caravans and all that? Anyone who'll buy that malarky isn't going to vote for the person who then turns around and says, wait, those people are human beings after all! So any red wave among minorities is almost certainly likely to be paralleled by an erosion of support among poor, uneducated whites.
Also, especially for black folks, it's not like they can't hear the dog whistles. Blacks don't vote overwhelmingly Democrat because they're idiots who have been tricked into it en masse. They see that the GOP has spent decades demonizing them, blaming social ills on them, treating them as second class citizens and restricting their franchise - you don't do away with generations of abuse and bigotry in an election cycle or two. It would take decades of acting as though black people are deserving of equal treatment to wash away that stain, and the GOP doesn't want that, in either an effective political sense or an ethical one.
As a Democrat, I really like this comment. I disagree with a minority red wave, but I do appreciate that you acknowledge why minorities don't tend to vote red. I get tired when I hear Republicans say so much the Dems are just tricking black people and other minorities. As a minority myself, I recognize the dog whistles everywhere and am not surprised when minorities tend to vote blue. And I find that whenever I try to talk about race, Republicans become very ignorant. For instance, I tried to talk about my experience as a minority and feeling like an outsider for much of my life, and then they just shut down a very personal experience and say I simply have a victim mentality, and I'm just making it all up.
And somehow Trump manages to get a share that Republicans haven't seen since the 60s. Your explanation and reality do not match. Same with CRE but then again, that's the norm. He'll probably point out I'm on the other side of the pond, yet to many voters he's from another galaxy.
Hard working people with strong moral values tend to vote red.
People who fear others who look differently, and want to hold on to what they have at the expense of helping others, vote red.
Given that Donald Trump is almost certainly the most morally bankrupt President we've ever had, it's hard to make the case for a "moral majority" still existing, and no one takes in welfare dollars quite like our poor conservative state brethren.
Welfare for white people is a needed emergency hand up. Welfare for colored people is wasteful and encourages welfare queens. Everyone knows this.
Amen. Watching Republican voters claim to be the party of morals after supporting Donald Trump for 4 years is the height of irony.
Morals are completely independent of party. It is fair to say religious people vote red.
Two months back
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/florida-latinos-disinformation…
Trump hammered in this notion of "done more than anyone ever has for black people". And, I think people bought it. It's not true, but Trump markets like a Kardashian and they've been crushing it too. The only thing I'm wondering is how does this play out in 2024 and beyond, because you'd think people actually understand their vote when they make their decision. If they did, some things Trump supposedly did could stick around, especially the things the GOP agrees on.
Or, maybe they realize that the big difference with a lot of Trump policies has to do with the DNC majority House, which Obama only had for 2 of 8 years versus half of Trump's presidency. It's hard to tell if a lot of black people are actually more aligned on a conservative ticket from an ideals standpoint vs a liberal agenda, but if you vote with your pocket, the DNC has been better for black people. I don't know if the GOP's "values" are strong enough to generate the same enthusiasm every election.
minorities tend to be very religious
The guy who attacks the media, attacks scientists, attacks democracy, suppresses the vote, packs the courts with his supporters, supports authoritarian regimes, somehow convinced a large bloc of hispanic immigrants in Florida that his opponent was actually the oppressive dictator, simply by screaming at the top of his lungs: "socialist!!!"
My favorite part is that operatives in Florida aren't even saying that Biden outreach to Miami-Dade wasn't enough. They're saying that these people were never going to vote for Biden to begin with, and that he should have focused on black and suburban turnout in Florida instead.
>Lowest black unemployment rate
>Biden is a socialist
Trump pandered hard to every single demographic but white males this time around (notice in the 2020 campaign he didn't once talk about immigration). So it makes sense he gained with blacks and Latinos and lost with white men.
America first
I’m a Latino republican and it’s tough to vote trump because fundamentally you know he and his supporters wish you didn’t exist. Luckily for the repubs I care more about my tax rate than whether some randoms like me
Hispanic vote:
By weaponizing Hispanic angst/concerns about socialism. This was a consistent talking point of Trump. Look at the Cuban guy, Maximo Alvarez, who spoke at Trump's Convention, to understand their sentiments. Cubans usually vote R for this reason but Venezuelans are apparently the fastest growing Hispanic group in FL and are similarly whiplashed by the happenings in their country. R's also have pull for pro-life,evangelical Hispanics which is also a sizable portion of Hispanics.
Hispanics are far from a monolith and Dems still have not learned that. They took the support of a diverse group that they barely understood for granted and were punished for it, quite simply. Biden's poor primary numbers with Hispanics were already an indication of the election day struggles that we witnessed but no one sought to rectify it.
Again, going back to to not understanding different groups/sections of Hispanic voters. Immigrant Hispanic population has different views about Trump's policies (build wall rhetoric, end DACA, cage children, etc) as opposed to American-Born Hispanics who view his policies a bit more positively. To add more about some Hispanics viewing his policies more positively - I actually read a Bloomberg article last month stating that Hispanic American incomes have been rising faster than any other racial group since 2014. It's hard to determine if that might be a political motivation since the growth has been happening pre-Trump but I'm guessing there is some degree of attribution for rising incomes there.
Think you have it flipped - younger hispanic immigrants born in the US are predominantly Democrats regardless of where their parents are from. Immigrants from Cuba and Venuezela (concentrated in Florida) vote Republican, while immigrants from Mexico and Central America (Concentrated in Texas, Arizona, and California) vote Democrat.
No, you misunderstand me when I say immigrants. Immigrants = foreign-born Hispanics who live in the US. There was definitely a divide in sentiment between foreign-born Hispanics and Hispanic Americans about his immigration policy. https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2018/10/25/more-latinos-have-serio… But we are making the same point. Just to highlight the bit, "Half of Hispanic adults are foreign born, and as a group they have stronger concern than those born in the U.S. Immigrants are more likely than U.S.-born Hispanics to say they have serious concerns about their place in U.S. society... Foreign-born Hispanics are also more pronounced in their criticism of the Trump admin."
Short answer is that the Democrats committed political suicide by being so annoying about race and identity politics.
Longer answer would include the above and the fact that lots of Latino voters in Texas are more concerned about the economy than the president's behavior; many Florida Latinos fled places like Cuba and Venezuela and they are irrationally afraid of any notion of "socialism".
And yet, Trump lost by something along the lines of 4-6% of the national popular vote, and it wasn't particularly close in the electoral college, either. He'll do better than Obama in 2012 and (obviously) Trump or either of Bush's elections. In other words, absolutely nothing points to the idea that Democrats committed "political suicide" by doing anything. Moreover, it can't be pleasant to see that most of the larger reliably conservative states seem to be continually trending more liberal. The focus is on how the Upper Midwest states, Florida, and Pennsylvania are all much closer than thought (or in the case of Florida, slightly less so), but the real story from this election is Georgia flipping and the gradual slide of Texas towards being a true toss up state. Texas hasn't been this close since Jimmy Carter was elected (92 excepted, which was more Perot drawing off votes from Bush than a true move towards voting Democrat), and that has to be a scary thought for a lot of reasons. It means more money to be invested there, more time spent, and losing the ability to gerrymander the state for Republicans.
And while you may be right about the reasons for more Latinos voting for Trump, I think that is likely unknowable. It could be as simple as the fact that affluent Latinos are more likely to live in counties which have easier access to voting locations.
If you scroll down to the the middle of this page from the BBC, you get a better breakdown of voters my ethnicity. Not sure Trump really got "that many" black votes, since 86% went for Biden. As for the Hispanics, many of the ones coming from South America have a deeply ingrained fear of crime and look for strong leaders with robust stances on crime (often the reason they left their home countries). This also ties in well to having a hardline stance on police and the military (which Trump has) as it bolsters the sense of national security. That's a big reason for the Hispanic vote, but the data shows that Biden still got 65% of it. Really note sure about the Asian vote, as I would have expected a small minority (<20%) voting for him. Anyone care to chime in?
I have not seen the data but I would surprised if Trump received a substantial percentage of the black vote. Similar to the breakdown of the white vote, educational achievement probably correlated highly with voting preferences. People with college degrees and above probably heavily favored Biden, regardless of race. Trump has always performed better with people who are less educated.
I guess that with hispanics, especially those in Florida, if you scream socialism loud enough, people will listen. Republicans have tried to paint the dems as socialists/commies for decades.
Nobody votes for the republicans, they vote against democrats and left wing policies
I can't speak to an increase in Black voter turnout for Trump, but when it comes to minorities from non-English speaking countries (my fam is from Iraq), all they care about is the money in their pocket. They don't research actual policies, they just hear the constant "Biden's tax plan will raise my taxes to 50%!!!," which is so factually incorrect it's laughable, but they choose to be ignorant. Another issue is assimilation, where a lot of those minorities have been told that White people are top tier and everything they say and do is correct, so they just follow suit, rather than think for themselves.
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