So how is it that ugly, stupid, college guys get hot girls just because they drink and party?
Like, I could understand if you're an attractive athlete, but I've seen some of the shortest, red-haired, most stupid people at my campus hang around with hot women just because they party.
I get that having fun is important, but do looks or intelligence ever matter at all?
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Those kids you see who you think are unattractive and hangout with the hot girls probably aren't banging any of them -- most likely their less attractive friends. Those kids probably have much better social skills than you, and social proof to back it up.
The hot chicks you see with them are probably banging the dude's Chad friends.
I'd say looks + style is equal to social skills (confidence, humor, awareness, positivity, spontaneity, etc) + social proof. Probably 45/45 split there, the rest you can fill in yourself. Girls will still fuck you in college if you have those, even if you're retarded. A kick is if girls know that you're smart, but why would you try and flaunt your intelligence? If you're intelligent you'd realize that and just work on your social game. Trying to use intelligence as a quality to attract women isn't gonna work, especially in college.
If they're looking for a fuck it's not gonna come down to whether they think you're smart or not lmao, won't even cross their mind. Could be a plus, though.
Yo don't feet-shame MM. How far on the spectrum do you have to be to care about the length of someone's toes?
Mike Ross is sad
On college campuses, at least in the south from my experience, status and popularity speak more than just about anything out there. I have seen tall, dark and handsome looking guys who had to settle for girls way below their league while the guys who were far and away from society's beauty standard were getting girls way out of their league.
The truth is that most college girls are not that great at evaluating for things like looks, money, future career (as if they even care) or even "game". Most college girls are worried about what their social circle thinks of them getting with a certain guy which is why in reality, the guys who are getting with decent looking girls on college campuses are usually popular while not exactly having male model looks.
The guys are likely in a top tier fraternity thanks to daddy's money or they just invest a lot of time in the popularity games which naturally happens given their social non-STEM and liberal arts oriented majors, often joining a lot of organizations and gathering a ton of Instagram followers. Most college girls can go after these guys because they are "safe" and they are "in" (aka the "in crowd".
Most of these guys will soon hit the working world and find that now, looks and game matter a great deal more than when they did in college. Women are judging you purely based on who you are as a guy and the popularity contests, for the most part, have died down. Now these will be the same guys who at the age of 30 are saying how college years are the "best 4 years of your life" and how it was "so easy to get girls in college".
Now they're a bit dumb founded that the handsome guys with their lives together who have tight game are picking up women at bars and on dating apps because women no longer feel that suffocation of their judgmental social circles who would chew them alive for getting with a "random". Women can now sleep around, choose and get with who they please much more so than the high school and college days where social status was life and death.
+1.
+1 to this, was in a fraternity but was no Chad. I have found it significantly easier to get girls a few years post grad.
Confidence
That's not something specific to college kids. That's how it works in the real world.
It's like if you go to A&M or some unheard of >100 school, but all your dad's golfing buddies have kids at Ivies and even some of their parents work in IB, you can get a job as an analyst just by association.
The good looks out on the street are the same thing as having a degree from top 10 schools when it comes to IB recruiting. But when you're in the social circle, you could come from a non-target (be ugly af) and still pull digits.
It all comes down to how the introductions are made and your ability to close. Being good looking just means your presentation is top notch and you'll get plenty of looks. But if you can't close you don't get the clothes.
If the hot chicks are just your friends or friends of friends, you're in, and then it just comes down to closing again.
I disagree with this. The real world is a lot less "social" when it comes to dating and meeting women as opposed to college itself. In college there is that built in social circle and you constantly have to be surrounded by the same people over and over again, especially in dorms. As a result the dating culture plays more into social status and who knows who.
The myth is that college girls slut it up, they might but it is usually on vacations, spring breaks and trips where they are far away from their sorority sisters and social circles.
It is often after college that women tend to rely more on dating apps, a strange coming up to them at a bar and some guy approaching them in public to meet. This is where good looks, game, and the charisma you give off matters more than in college where you just had to mingle with the same groups and hope that her friends approved of you.
After college women have a much easier time keeping it under the wraps and hooking up with that random Jason Momoa lookalike they just met at a bar without their cockblocking friends finding out.
Plus after college, people just care a lot less about popularity and a lot more about quality.
Tinder and other online dating platforms have made it far easier for girls to hook up and/or cheat with no one else finding out. You kind of glossed over this point.
I'm trying to argue that the bar scene doesn't change whether you're in college or not. It's just that the people change. If the bar is frequented by your classmates, you're going to be hitting on the college chicks where your social standing may matter a lot more.
If your bar is filled with a lot of random people, whether you're in college or not, good looks will more than likely prevail much more heavily relative to anything else. Therefore, you should probably never go to a bar or use tinder if you are serious about meeting someone beyond just a hookup.
But the main point is to not look at dating as "finding chicks". Women are obviously everywhere. It's way more important to look for opportunities to increase interactions with women.
You only need some sort of introduction with women. As I said before, good looks is a cheap introduction, because it requires 0 work since women are biologically trained to respond positively to good looking men.
If you create just as many opportunities as the good looking guy, you increase your potential pool. You need a social route, like a hobby, more connections to people who know pretty women, connect with organizations where women are connected, or even have a great IG profile to increase your success on Tinder, etc.
The "game" is really just being able to close the deal. That's up to you.
As for the creating "opportunities" part, that requires a lot of work to the point of throwing away a career such as Investment Banking.
The only hobby that will likely give you access to hot women is anything that involves nightlife or photographing models, average looking guys already hit those as full time work.
Most of the "connections" part really ended after college. The only guys who get in on any of that are guys who dedicate their entire life to chasing women and the high life. I am talking DJs at the hottest nightclubs, club promoters, bartenders at the most hip bars and model photographers who dedicate their entire life to it.
Instagram? Yeah she'll be able to sniff the BS out no problem when you have 10k followers and cannot get even 500 likes on a pic.
Most white collar jobs do not grant the kind of connections that get you beautiful women. The only thing you can do after college is:
Look your best possible (lifting, getting shredded and looking good do wonders)
Take good photos of your awesome life (high quality and resolution)
Put them up on social media and dating apps
Watch the matches roll in
Profit
If you want the hottest women, be exceptional.
don't bring this incel shit to WSO
Don't major in accounting and then you will get laid brah.
Follow up question: can you provide a ranking as to the majors that will get you laid (business wise)?
1 thing is to be an asshole.
You don't need to be the hottest guy to get laid on the reg, being just ok goes a long way, as long as you're strong in other areas. Some dudes just have very good game, and can intrigue girls.
A good friend of mine is ginger, has crooked teeth, not the tallest - bellow average looks. But he can talk about anything, and has absolute confidence in himself - he's a machine when it comes to socializing, and has been getting laid since jr. HS - more good looking chicks than not.
So while you guys are peeling the label, trying to come up with "perfect" openers, or laying strategies for what to say and do, these guys are just jumping straight into it, no filters or inhibitions.
I know some guys absolutely balk at the notion that confidence alone will get you laid, but it's a vital component.
Let me guess this about your ginger friend, most of the good looking chicks he has managed to get with are either not white or are very tanned white girls (Emily Ratajkowski and Gal Gadot type of look). This is something else to take into account, you have to go where your look sells a lot or go for the kinds of women that find your look hot. Opposites often attract for one night stands.
A blond haired guy will often lose out to a Latin Lover type or darker skinned guy if both of them are going after hot blonde girls. On the other hand once they go after Hispanic and Italian looking women, the blond guy wins 10/10 times.
One of my friends is a chubby blond guy, went to Colombia and was getting action like there is no tomorrow while his Middle Eastern friend who does well in the US did not get a second look. Colombian women hate darker skinned men.
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