how should i vote if i'm socially liberal (but not PC/SJW) but fiscally conservative

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here are my views. i'm pro gay marriage, pro choice on abortion, for legalizing marijuana, pro euthanasia, anti death penalty, pro criminal justice reform, pro net neutrality, oppose voter ID laws, etc. however, i like limited government, low taxes, low regulations, and very much like free trade. i oppose obamacare and dodd-frank, and keynesian economics (i like chicago school/monetarism/milton friedman). i'm open to a negative income tax as a form of basic income though.

i hate minimum wage laws, corporate taxes, public sector labor unions, etc. i like school choice: i went to private schools bc of vouchers my family got. i honestly don't care about trans bathrooms, they can use whatever they want for whatever i care. but i think people who call themselves "genderfluid" or "pansexual" might have a mental illness.

obamacare's retarded, the individual mandate was a failure. i do care for the sick though, and want to protect ppl with pre-existing conditions. but it's better to invest in HSAs and high-risk pools than a bullshit insurance mandate and 10,000,000 regulations. we need to compete across state lines and curb medical malpractice lawsuits with tort reform.

i really dislike trump and sanders' protectionism bc i fucking love free trade. people in both parties who oppose free trade are mentally retarded and don't know jack SHIT about economics. I thought the Trans Pacific Partnership was FUCKING GREAT. but FUCK bernie sanders-style socialism, and FUCK COMMUNISM.

i'm moderate on foreign policy. i don't call myself a libertarian bc i don't believe in withdrawing from the world completely and not having any military interventionism. also libertarians are more socially liberal than i am (being ok with polygamy, fuck that, that's nasty) and way too fiscally conservative (we need some taxation, maybe a consumption tax, but no taxation is FULL RETARD). also austrian economics and reintroducing the gold standard seems dumb, i prefer chicago school, milton friedman style conservative economics.

to be fair, there are things the government does that I like, like carbon taxes on negative externalities. i believe climate change is real, man made, and needs a solution. but overall i like free market capitalism.

i am pro nuclear power and pro gmos. also fuck the NSA and warantless wiretapping.

i support a pathway to citizenship for current DACA recipients. for parents however, if they did no violent crimes, they can get a pathway to some legal status, but not citizenship. violent motherfuckers get deported ASAP though. also i hate sanctuary cities. and this is only if it's 100% tied to much stronger border security and enforcement. also i support ending the lottery system for legal immigration and ending chain migration, and moving more toward a merit-based system of immigration. also, i don't think birthright citizenship should be a thing anymore cuz of anchor babies. so on immigration, i have a mix of liberal and conservative views. i don't support taking in more refugees from the middle east until we can ensure our vetting is fucking amazing.

also i hate the SJW/PC/radical feminist bullshit going on in society and on colleges and shit. fuck safe spaces, microaggressions, trigger warnings, cultural appropriation, all that nonsense. who cares about "representation" in the media. our culture has become pussified and you can't tell any jokes anymore. also the james damore essay was funny as people, people got too butthurt. i think men are discriminated against a lot too, like in divorce proceedings and child custody. i don't really like feminism. also i hate the ideology of Islam (but im an atheist who thinks all religions are retarded). i fucking hate the religious right/christian right and will judge people who believe in creationism to be dumbfucks.

also i am pro guns.

MY NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO BECOME RICH AS FUCK AND BANG HOT CHICKS

i guess i lean libertarian, but they crank up everything to the extreme. so given my views, should i vote democrat or republican?

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Jan 31, 2018

You should run for office.

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Jan 31, 2018

lol feel like I have the exact same views as you. Except I'm pretty pro education spending which I feel you may not be about based on your economic views. Go back in time and vote Ron Paul

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Jan 31, 2018

i'm pro public school spending, in addition to investing in charter schools and private schools with vouchers. i support school choice. so i'm not a pure libertarian who goes "fuck all public k-12" schools. that's too fiscally conservative for me.

ron paul was the fucking man. but i'm not a fan of austrian economics, i prefer chicago school economics. paul's shit about reintroducing the gold standard was fucking nuts, and milton friedman's work (like on the k-percent rule regarding the fed) made a lot more sense than ending fractional reserve banking IMO. also ron paul was too isolationist and weak on military policy IMO. so that's why i'm not a straight-up libertarian. i actually like how trump is being tough with north korea and bombed syria. bush went way overboard with iraq, but obama was a wuss.

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Jan 31, 2018

There is no party for you bro, the reality of our shitty two-party system. Just choose whichever one you hate less, like I do.

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Jan 31, 2018

which one do you hate the less? i feel like no matter, i'm picking a poison. the democrats will destroy my pocketbook and move us toward an overly PC, SJW, radically feminist society, but they will ensure social liberty to some degree. but too many republicans continue to be uneducated bible thumpers and religious zealots, and i'm disappointed a lot of GOPers are embracing donald trump's protectionist trade policies.

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Jan 31, 2018

I hate the Democrats less, the SJW stuff is overblown as far as policy goes. I do support gun control and criminal justice reform though, as well as citizenship for illegals under certain criteria and taking in refugees (there is no evidence they are dangerous or that there is something wrong with our current vetting process). So I lean a bit more liberal than you.

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Jan 31, 2018

I didn't MS you, but I kinda feel like you just posted this to get validation that you're political positions are rational/legitimate, etc....lol.

Vote for whoever shares more of your political ideologies. Hint: most of the time, there won't be a candidate that matches your profile exactly (Welcome to the club, man!).

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Jan 31, 2018

I can't remember who said it but there is a quote that goes "If you agree with 7/10 things I say you should vote for me and if you agree with 10/10 things I say you should see a psychiatrist". I think it sums up the correct way to view political candidates in a two party system.

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Feb 4, 2018

At the end of the day, do what everyone else does. Decide what's the greatest evil you want to avoid, vote accordingly.

What do you dislike the most? Social conservatives or SJWs?
Trump's protectionism or Sanders' socialism?

I'll give you an example:
I support gay marriage like you do, I have gay friends, it never bothered me, it's their own business. However, the LGBT agenda now has added quite a dozen of letters and if I'm going to be forced to choose between all or none, and that seems to be the case, it'll be none.

I am fine with gays having buttsex and all that, getting a legal recognition of their status and that's it. I never signed up for being obligated to date transgenders or get fined for being transphobic, being obligated to use zer or xyr pronouns and all that. No thanks.
Polygender, pansexual, transpecies furries? Fuck that.

If the choice is between that and Christian Evangelicals, then I'm going with the latter.

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Feb 4, 2018

yupppp

Feb 4, 2018

dont vote. its a waste of time. seriously.

heister:

Look at all these wannabe richies hating on an expensive salad.

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Feb 4, 2018

Nice try Ted Cruz

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Feb 4, 2018

Had same dilemma, chose Republican. My thinking was its easier to change/adapt what I don't agree with on the conservative side (anti-abortion, far religious right, ect.) than it was to change what I don't like on the Dem side (we still have entitlements from FDR that will probably never go away.) It does suck though. Quote by MLK that comes to mind when bringing this up: The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

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Feb 5, 2018

You have the wisdom of when to use an MLK quote only equivalent to Dodge commercials.

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Feb 7, 2018

Weak. At least she tried to cover her tracks.

Feb 7, 2018

If you generally support personal freedom, go for whichever party is less authoritarian in nature. Right now that's the GOP (despite all the "Trump is a Nazi!!!111" nonsense) and it isn't close. That hasn't always been the case and may not always continue to be the case, but right now it is, and again, it isn't close.

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Feb 8, 2018

Wait, you believe the Democrats, who don't hold the House, Senate, or White House, are a bigger authoritarian threat than the Republicans? Republicans have gerrymandered control of a majority of state governments and are currently threatening to impeach the Pennsylvania Supreme Court who struck down their partisan maps, obstructed their way into a Supreme Court justice nomination, have a Senate candidate in Alabama who has still not conceded his election, are led by a President who calls the military "my generals" and wants a military parade down the streets of D.C., command ICE agents to carry out raids at their leisure, and want to determine who you can marry, how you can reproduce, and what you can smoke. This is the party that is less authoritarian in our country today?

The partisan ideology of so many on this website make intelligent honest conversation impossible.

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Feb 8, 2018
Michael_Scarn:

Republicans have gerrymandered control of a majority of state governments

What is authoritarian about that? That's been the American process for 200 years. This phrase was literally coined in 1812.

Michael_Scarn:

and are currently threatening to impeach the Pennsylvania Supreme Court who struck down their partisan maps,

You do realize that the impeachment process is a check given to legislatures by their constitutions, right? They have the legal right to impeach and remove judges. That's their legal right. How is that authoritarian?

Michael_Scarn:

obstructed their way into a Supreme Court justice nomination

Huh? What are you talking about? Using your legislative authority for political gain is "authoritarian"? That's an amazing statement.

Michael_Scarn:

, have a Senate candidate in Alabama who has still not conceded his election

Hundreds of thousands of elected officials in the United States. There are dozens of contested elections every year. Moore may be a complete idiot who will lose that challenge (already has lost, by the way), but that's his legal right to challenge an election. Again, not authoritarian.

Michael_Scarn:

are led by a President who calls the military "my generals"

Really? This is your example of authoritarianism? Are you seriously expecting "his" generals to lead an invasion of New York? Really?

Michael_Scarn:

and wants a military parade down the streets of D.C.

It's completely dumb, but military parades have been thrown by George H.W. Bush (R), John F. Kennedy (D), and Franklin Roosevelt (D). They are hardly without precedent.

Michael_Scarn:

command ICE agents to carry out raids at their leisure

You mean enforcing the rule of law?

Michael_Scarn:

and want to determine who you can marry, how you can reproduce, and what you can smoke. This is the party that is less authoritarian in our country today?

A complete bastardization of the positions, but what's new?

In other words, you basically believe the constitution and rule of law are authoritarian. You're either an anarchist or a communist. Not sure which one.

Feb 7, 2018

most posters here would agree with you, I'm one of them. I've voted republican most of the time because democratic policies that are socialist (a la Obama & Sanders) are a non-starter for me. so while I agree with a lot of Obama's beliefs and I disagreed with a lot of Romney's social conservatism, I couldn't in good conscience vote for someone who wanted to enact Robin Hood legislation, as an example

Feb 7, 2018

Another idea: vote for split government. I'm too lazy to look this up and re-confirm this, but the economy and/or the stock market tends to do best under split government, probably because less is "getting done."

Although one individual doesn't really have control over this, it's bizarre that the American electorate, as a group, tend to vote for split government. It's like the electoral "market" has its own consciousness that the parts (individual voters) aren't even consciously aware of.

Feb 7, 2018

It's a personal choice really. I'd rather be vaguely associated with commies even though I don't agree with them than the various white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, birthers, creationists, neo nazis, fascists, white nationalists, etc that compose an increasing share of the Republican voting base. And the ones that aren't in those groups are plain lemmings for the GOP that will vote Republican under any circumstance just because it's "their team". The lack of critical thought directed towards Republican politicians by Republican voters is truly shocking. No thanks I'll take the leftists.

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Feb 7, 2018

So, we're either racists or lemmings? That's some incredible "critical thought" that went into that analysis.

Feb 8, 2018
Troll - Aged 18 Years:

So, we're either racists or lemmings? That's some incredible "critical thought" that went into that analysis.

That's ridiculous. All Republican voters are lemmings.

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Feb 7, 2018
thurnis haley:

It's a personal choice really. I'd rather be vaguely associated with commies even though I don't agree with them than the various white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, birthers, creationists, neo nazis, fascists, white nationalists, etc that compose an increasing share of the Republican voting base. And the ones that aren't in those groups are plain lemmings for the GOP that will vote Republican under any circumstance just because it's "their team". The lack of critical thought directed towards Republican politicians by Republican voters is truly shocking. No thanks I'll take the leftists.

It's exactly this kind of reasoning that caused the social split to begin with. Good luck not tearing apart the nation.

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Feb 8, 2018
neink:
thurnis haley:

It's a personal choice really. I'd rather be vaguely associated with commies even though I don't agree with them than the various white supremacists, conspiracy theorists, birthers, creationists, neo nazis, fascists, white nationalists, etc that compose an increasing share of the Republican voting base. And the ones that aren't in those groups are plain lemmings for the GOP that will vote Republican under any circumstance just because it's "their team". The lack of critical thought directed towards Republican politicians by Republican voters is truly shocking. No thanks I'll take the leftists.

It's exactly this kind of reasoning that caused the social split to begin with. Good luck not tearing apart the nation.

Everything is liberals' faults.

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Feb 8, 2018

Typical shit post.

Over half trumps policy is taken from John Kerry and other actual Democrats. It's the Dems that are lemmings in this situation.

And obviously you'd be happy associating yourself with communists and outright socialists. These are both embraced by the Democrats.

Racists inhabit both parties. Glad you just focus on neo nazis (total joke, what 10k in the country), but ignore black panthers (dem voters) la raza (dem voters) and other fringe social groups they Dems love.

Feb 8, 2018
TNA:

Typical shit post.

Over half trumps policy is taken from John Kerry and other actual Democrats. It's the Dems that are lemmings in this situation.

So you're admitting you support Democratic policies as long as it's delivered by your team? Sorry how are you not a partisan lemming then? You're openly admitting it's not the policies that count, it's whether or not somebody is Republican. And I've said this many times: Most Republican voters fully support the welfare state as long as it only benefits people who look like them. That's not news to me.

And obviously you'd be happy associating yourself with communists and outright socialists. These are both embraced by the Democrats.

I mean this is more of a problem with definitions than anything. Conservatives scream commie until they're red in the face at anybody who thinks poor people should have access to healthcare. Thinking manmade climate change is real is textbook communism in the conservative brain. On the other hand liberals think people who actually believe in communism are communists.
The problem is you're applying the reality of conservatives to the left. Since conservatives uniformly shut up and vote Republican at the end of the day (including you) you think people on the left do the same thing. Obviously that's not the case with all these leftists constantly turning on Democratic politicians and not showing up to vote. There's far more in-fighting on the left. The fringe right would've voted Republican this past election no matter who won the primaries. That explains why the neo-nazis have convinced themselves that Trump is their guy even though he has Jews all around him. Gotta vote Republican at the end of the day somehow.

Racists inhabit both parties. Glad you just focus on neo nazis (total joke, what 10k in the country), but ignore black panthers (dem voters) la raza (dem voters) and other fringe social groups they Dems love.

Black panthers don't have nearly as much say in the Democratic party as white natuonalists do in the Republican party. What used to be fringe for the Republican Party is increasingly mainstream. That's why your rank and file Republican voter really wants Trump to be Moussilini 2.0. The fringr left is basically ignored by the mainstream Dems as evidenced by Hillary getting the nomination (unless of course you think embracing the idea of universal healthcare makes someone fringr left in which case you're deluded).

Nice try though. I know you get triggered out of your mind when anybody speaks ill of your precious GOP but you pretty much held it together this time although the content of what you said was still intellectually dogshit.

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Feb 8, 2018

I'm not sure what fiscal conservatism means anymore. Is that just low taxes? Cause it's clear Republicans in Washington no longer pretend to care about a balanced budget or federal deficits. They are about to pass a budget increasing federal spending by $500 billion while suspending the debt ceiling for two years, in a growing economy where you'd normally expect budget gaps to shrink. Deficit hawks other than the House Freedom Caucus quietly disappear whenever a Republican is in office. Let's be honest - neither party wants to stomach austerity.

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Feb 8, 2018

I'm somewhere near you and I have consistently voted GOP. Way I see it, it would be nice to live in a country where people have liberties, etc, but as a wealthy white guy, that stuff doesn't really affect me. Taxes, however, do. So when in doubt, I vote for lower taxes. Also, fuck the SJWs. Being associated with them in any way would really be too much for me.

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Feb 8, 2018

This here is a perfect illustration of the boiled-down differences between today's Republicans and Democrats, in my opinion. Democrats - "we're all in this together" vs. Republicans "F*** you, pay me."

I certainly understand why anyone would vote in their own self-interest (self-preservation in the case of white privileged voters; chain immigration for naturalized citizens, etc.) and I once held the exact same views you communicated here. However, I think a few more decades of "winner take all politics/capitalism" will turn the U.S. into Brazil and we'll experience the inequality crises they deal with on a daily basis.

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Feb 8, 2018
onemanwolfpack:

This here is a perfect illustration of the boiled-down differences between today's Republicans and Democrats, in my opinion. Democrats - "we're all in this together" vs. Republicans "F*** you, pay me."

I certainly understand why anyone would vote in their own self-interest (self-preservation in the case of white privileged voters; chain immigration for naturalized citizens, etc.) and I once held the exact same views you communicated here. However, I think a few more decades of "winner take all politics/capitalism" will turn the U.S. into Brazil and we'll experience the inequality crises they deal with on a daily basis.

Paradoxically, a disproportionate amount of wealth is held by liberal Democrats--Buffet, Zuckerberg, Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, et al. As you seem to suggest, the left is morally superior to the rest of us knuckle-draggers, so there really shouldn't be much concern over wealth inequality, right? I mean, our moral superiors will be the one with the money, right?

Feb 8, 2018
donquixote2929:

MY NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO BECOME RICH AS FUCK AND BANG HOT CHICKS

Republican.

Half-jokes aside, Republican. Mostly because Democrats are becoming more and more socialist and SJW/PC types. Also, the left really seems to demonize people unless you drink all the Kool-Aid, not just the flavors you like.

Feb 8, 2018

Jesus, you are against birthright citizenship? Says pretty much everything there is to know about your worldview.

Feb 9, 2018

You do realize that birthright citizenship was only created post civil war to stop the push to repatriate slaves back to Africa.

I am 100% against anchor babies. I prefer to dispense my limited sympathy for actual Americans.

Feb 8, 2018

OP you sound more libertarian than anything else

Feb 9, 2018

too bad that party only produces nutjob candidates

Feb 9, 2018

How do you feel about Rand Paul?

Feb 9, 2018

GOP ftw

Mar 4, 2018

You're a libertarian minus the craziness

Oct 11, 2018
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