Hello to everyone!

I ve got a little question about the GMAT and the GRE scores I am capable of achieving.

Since I was very small I ve done multiple IQ tests from different providers (Ravens, Wechsler etc.) my scores ranged from the 95th percentile up to 99,5th percentiles and the average of all my IQ tests (which are about 6 in total) is 98,4th percentile . The test in which I scored the highest in - the 99,5th percentile - was a pure logical reasoning tests and not verbal at all-and I suck vebal things - hence the lower scores in other tests. Now, according to Mensa a 720 GMAT equates to the IQ level I am at- like 133.

Now, my question is whether I would be able to get a 730-740 if I d study for months, had luck, and extra time ( I ve got ADHD, but I never had extra time in IQ tests, so this might do something in the GMAT which is timed).

Regarding the GRE, what results could I expect to see there?

I would obviously be willing to study for months and given my undgraduate course which is BSc Economics and at my uni its even more mathematical than at other unis I would also kind of revise for the GMAT/GRE while going to usual lectures.

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This. Also, many people with lower IQs have scored 700+. It's easy to learn all the tricks for verbal, but the math is very competitive and should require more attention.

Take the practice, computer-based GMAT they offer online. The score you get on that is a good predictor of actual performance. I took the practice, and decided I didn't need to study. Ended up score 10 points higher on the actual exam.

People who take the practice and go through a Kaplan (or similar) prep course can increase their scores by 100 points. The GMAt is a learnable exam. It's like a game: if you know the rules to the game, you'll do better than someone who doesn't know the rules.

On GMAT forums, many people say verbal is easier on the actual exam and quant is more difficult (compared to the downloadable practice exam). I would agree with that statement.

I'll do what I can to help ya'll. But, the game's out there, and it's play or get played.

The GMAT is not an IQ test. There is definitely content; you can learn and even game it. I'm taking a course through one of the popular prep providers, and I just took a second practice exam that was 60 points higher than my diagnostic, and I expect to raise that another 40 points (halfway through the course). The material and strategies out there are very helpful.

I think what is posted on Mensa is the average score for someone with that IQ. But you can definitely score above the average for your intelligence if you study more (and smarter) than average. Sure, your average person has no shot at 750, but I'd say you do if those IQ tests are reliable.

Fun Fact: 710 is probably good enough to get you in anywhere you actually have a chance. Rational, look at MBA programs, they all disclose the average GMAT of who they accepted last year, 710 is above all the program averages I can currently recall. Net effect, spend time on the admission essays and interviews, a move from 710 to 750 won't do more for you than a great essay or being legacy. Also, I really don't know how much weight gets put on GMAT other than so long as it's above the school minimum.

BTB, when I say have a chance, to be fair, there's some places you just weren't going to get into regardless of GMAT score. Either the program has too many bankers and wants to balance, or you lack 'non-quantitative' assets.

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http://poetsandquants.com/2011/04/27/the-super-gmat-schools/

According to this there are actually 11 schools with higher than 710 average GMAT score.

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Fun Fact: 710 is probably good enough to get you in anywhere you actually have a chance. Rational, look at MBA programs, they all disclose the average GMAT of who they accepted last year, 710 is above all the program averages I can currently recall. Net effect, spend time on the admission essays and interviews, a move from 710 to 750 won't do more for you than a great essay or being legacy. Also, I really don't know how much weight gets put on GMAT other than so long as it's above the school minimum.

BTB, when I say have a chance, to be fair, there's some places you just weren't going to get into regardless of GMAT score. Either the program has too many bankers and wants to balance, or you lack 'non-quantitative' assets.

Sometimes lies are more dependable than the truth.

[quote=Ultima-RDK]http://poetsandquants.com/2011/04/27/the-super-gmat-schools/

According to this there are actually 11 schools with higher than 710 average GMAT score.

Fair point Ultima, 714 and 718 were the highest that I applied for, I think they were lower when I got in. Given the spreads listed there, sounds like 680 was enough to get some people in, so I'd stand by my statement that 710 is probably good enough to get in to those schools, and OP would likely get more value from focusing energy elsewhere.

As a point of reference, I'm a Mensan with a 2300 SAT. I took the GMAT once with absolutely no studying - I didn't even read any instructions or reference materials about how it worked. I scored a 680.

I need to find where the next rat race will be. Then start some B.S. institute and have suckers pay to get my *industry recognized* designation.

Something like the founder of mensa who suckers naive people to pay for a piece of paper that says they're geniuses. lol

Rich Capitalist:
808 whats your IQ according to mensa?

They don't tell you anymore - it's just a pass/fail score.

why did you do so poorly on the IQ tests? probably the ADHD i'm guessing

mr.b yeah thats probably one of the reasons cant really concentrate long and thus lose a lot of time to refocus, this obviously makes one even more nervous in the test which then probably has an effect on the end score , but I only care about the pure logical reasoning intelligence, the g intelligence, where I was mostly in the 99th percentile and higher ,which is enough for me. I mean according to both my brothers who hold very high positions in Goldman S and Deutsche Bank say that perhaps if you are a mathemtician and do research you ll notice the difference in the 99th percentiles but for jobs in finance, PE etc. once you reach 98th+ other factors will determine your success.

Im a Mensan with SAT 2280 and took the GMAT while studying for LSAT and got a 700. You can do it but its not an IQ test and to be honest you need to work on your grammar. It needs help.

hockey1316:
Im a Mensan with SAT 2280 and took the GMAT while studying for LSAT and got a 700. You can do it but its not an IQ test and to be honest you need to work on your grammar. It needs help.

Whats your IQ percentile because I know Mensan that have IQs of 160 to who I look like a complete fool?

hockey1316:
Im a Mensan with SAT 2280 and took the GMAT while studying for LSAT and got a 700. You can do it but its not an IQ test and to be honest you need to work on your grammar. It needs help.

"I'm a Mensan with an SAT score of 2280 and while studying for the LSAT, I took the GMAT and got a 700."
"You can do it, but it's not an IQ test. However, to be honest, you need to work on your grammar."

It's like reading the work of a 2nd grader. You know what they say about people who live in glass houses?

Rich Capitalist:
Whats your IQ percentile because I know Mensan that have IQs of 160 to who I look like a complete fool?

Okay, hockey1316 is right, you're an awful writer.

"What's your IQ percentile? I know Mensans that have an IQ of 160 to whom I look like a complete fool."

You're both welcome.

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lol

That GMAT has nothing to do with IQ. Just like a math Ph.D. is not guaranteed a 51Q, you are not guaranteed a 700+. If you spend two to three months studying, and you understand everything, you should have no problem getting a score in the 99th percentile. I honestly believe that the only thing necessary for a 700+ is moderate intelligence and a drive to do well.

KKS:
lol

That GMAT has nothing to do with IQ. Just like a math Ph.D. is not guaranteed a 51Q, you are not guaranteed a 700+. If you spend two to three months studying, and you understand everything, you should have no problem getting a score in the 99th percentile. I honestly believe that the only thing necessary for a 700+ is moderate intelligence and a drive to do well.

Then how do you explain that you can qualify yourself for Mensa with a 720, the guys that set these entry standards surely knew what they were doing

Rich Capitalist:
KKS:
lol

That GMAT has nothing to do with IQ. Just like a math Ph.D. is not guaranteed a 51Q, you are not guaranteed a 700+. If you spend two to three months studying, and you understand everything, you should have no problem getting a score in the 99th percentile. I honestly believe that the only thing necessary for a 700+ is moderate intelligence and a drive to do well.

Then how do you explain that you can qualify yourself for Mensa with a 720, the guys that set these entry standards surely knew what they were doing

Just because Mensa requires that as a score does not mean it tests IQ. I scored a 700 on the GMAT. Had I studied more, I could have easily scored a 720. I am not a genius. I also know plenty of people with 99th-percentile scores that are of average intelligence.

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CaR:
I will refrain from making inappropriate jokes about your German temperament, mostly because I don't want you to pick me up and throw me across the room with your mind

Thanks for that information.

To be fair, and I'm certainly not trying to pick a fight, but I've found that following rules in the mundane helps me get ready for the important stuff. I *almost* always use proper email formating, even on my Blackberry, because then I don't fuck up and use shitty formatting/grammar when I'm emailing clients. Whether it's Youtube comments or email, setting and using proper writing conventions is useful practice. As I read this back I sound like a pretentious D-bag, but it's worth getting into the habit of always using proper grammar, it'll help make you a better banker. Traders can ignore this.

This thread is everything that can be wrong with this website. There is no need to allow this thread to exist and is most likely a fishing expedition by someone who thinks it is funny.

Besides, Mensa society is for people who ride the short bus. Get into the Mega Society and then we can talk.

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Indeed. I'm a little late to this but I hope it keeps going.

And no, people getting above 700 do not have average intelligence, your sample is highly skewed.

Dude, just put Mensa on your resume and wait for the offers to start rolling in. Everyone will be impressed with such a towering achievement. You can squeeze it on your resume in the spot right next to your NAMBLA membership.

Dude IQ is the most retarded proxy for intelligence ever

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Most 700-750 scores are folks with above-average intelligence.

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Pretty weird question. I don't think there is a strong correlation between IQ and GMAT scores for the most part. Obviously at the outliers you can make some generalizations. So a person who scores a 550 is probably not that intelligent while someone who scored say a 770+ is probably pretty smart. There is a big middle ground though where people frequently improve their scores within a short amount of time. So someone who jumps from 670 to 740 simply did a better job of studying for the GMAT rather than getting "smarter."

mbavsmfin:
Pretty weird question. I don't think there is a strong correlation between IQ and GMAT scores for the most part. Obviously at the outliers you can make some generalizations. So a person who scores a 550 is probably not that intelligent while someone who scored say a 770+ is probably pretty smart. There is a big middle ground though where people frequently improve their scores within a short amount of time. So someone who jumps from 670 to 740 simply did a better job of studying for the GMAT rather than getting "smarter."
yeah but returns on studying diminish dramatically after a certain point. i think each person has an equilibrium score dictated by intelligence/IQ. that could be 100 points higher than their first cold attempt or it could be 10 points higher.

in most cases the dramatic gains occur after only 2-3 weeks of studying and level off quickly. so when someone says "i got a 700 but i could have hit 750 if i studied harder" it's usually not true. they probably studied enough to get pretty close to their max and further studying wouldn't have really helped. most people take the test when they hit a ceiling...if you think some extra studying would add 50 points then you are a moron for prematurely taking the test. most people aren't that stupid.

How the fuck did I miss this thread for over a month?

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what kind of bell curve did they give you on your IQ test...?

to quote eariler post...Take a practice test, genius.

The GMAT is so easy to game and it's basically the SAT again except on a computer and somewhat dynamic.

For anyone still wondering, you can easily get a 770+ given enough study unless English is not your native language.

lol - most geniuses would solve this particular puzzle in about one second - so either you are trolling us or you are significantly over-estimating/reporting your iq

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