Is your employer requiring the vaccine?
I haven't seen a whole lot of talk about this topic yet, unless I missed it. It's not my intention to make this into some debate on whether it is right or wrong.
I work for a F50 in corporate finance and we just had an email this week saying they're going to require the vaccine by December or get put on leave regardless if you're WFH full time or not.
For the record, I got my vax back in April/May so I'm all good.
Out of principle, I don't think it should be mandated but that's an argument for a different day. I just want to know what kind of options are out there for people that don't want to disclose their status.
Can Sleepy Joe really get away with this, or are some companies pushing back?
Feel free to name companies that you know of their current policy.
I think that there are actually two questions here: Can THE GOVERNMENT force your employer to mandate it, and can YOUR EMPLOYER force YOU to get it.
The second one is easy: you are almost certainly an 'at-will' employee, and short of claiming a religious exemption, yes they can, and they can fire you if you don't comply. The religious exemption itself is a bit thorny as you have competing workplace safety and religious discrimination statutes. I think the answer about forcing your employer to give you one if they don't write it into the policy is TBD, but it wouldn't look good to future employers even if you win.
The first question is a lot thornier. The government can clearly stipulate this as a condition of continuing to do business with them, so government employees and contractors can clearly be forced/strongly coerced into getting vaccinated. Mandating that private companies without government contracts do the same is a lot thornier issue though. That's why they are trying to make it an OSHA requirement. I see how it can be argued that this is a workplace safety issue but it's uncharted territory here. I bet even most lawyers would answer this part with 'we'll see.'
Oh, vaccinated since April here, waiting until my next Dr. appointment for a booster because I got Pfizer, and from my research I think I want a full shot of Moderna instead of the standard Pfizer booster, but that's technically 'off label,' so I can't just walk into the pharmacy for it. (I tried) My personal opinion is torn between forcing everyone to get vaccinated or just shrugging and saying 'survival of the fittest' and denying medical care for covid to the willingly unvaccinated.
Edit: Not mandatory here, but mandatory if you want to enter a company office. Top asset manager.
Denying Medical Care...
Sorry, you have not recieved the government mandated theraputic, so you cant have a kidney transplant, because...why? How about a pregnant woman?
Withhold your electricity? Food? Bank accounts?
You sir are the exact demographic that has zero idea about what is really happening outside your precious little bubble.
Whats if the next President determines through "science" that all the people who have taken the shot should be put in camps because THEY are spreading this crap. How about five years from now when the long term side effects come out? Sorry pal, you cant get treatment HERE.
How about only black folks? Women?
This divisive bullcrap has to stop ON ALL SIDES.
NOW.
The peak insanity has just hit.
Damn, looks like the mass die-offs from the vaccine have been postponed. That means Soros is gonna be like 100 when his depopulation agenda finally happens. It's a shame, man has worked so hard for it
Drumpf u gotta take the red pill bro
u been taking too many rainbow ones im tryna save u
So, we're going to ignore the fact that your second statement before insulting me is reducto ad absurdum, and focus on your first statement here.
Clearly, reading comprehension is not your strong suit. I said COVID RELATED MEDICAL CARE. i.e. you decide not to get vaccinated because 'god will protect me' then you get really sick with covid, we say 'keep praying' when denied entry to the ER. The point being that if you are going to take pointless risks potentially overstretching the health system, you are going to bear the brunt of those risks. Moving "outside my precious little bubble" the primary issue is that unvaccinated covid patients are taking up all the hospital capacity, and vaccinated people with other issues are suffering serious adverse outcomes, including death because of lack of care. I have anecdotes for this but not data, because conveniently, you can't identify problems if you don't measure them. (convenient not to measure, huh?)
As to your final statement, I'd like you to cite a US approved vaccine that ended up causing more issues than it solved. No Thalidomide wasn't a vaccine, and it was never approved in the US. The FDA actually ended up looking good due to that episode.
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Conservatives: Let the free market decide!
The free market: Plague rats are bad for business!
The government: I agree!
Conservatives: : ' )
Well for starters I would argue that we are not in a perfect free market, and that multinational corporations have oligopolistic influence in their sector.
To your second point these oligopolistic corporations were flirting with the idea of vaccine mandates but were unsure whether to actually execute on it. The government gave them the thumbs up and charged forward ahead with it. That to me isn't the free market at work. It's big corporations and the government working in hand in hand to lean in on the influence of the other when necessary.
This is actually the one time Middle America has significant power to bring change. We bankers and consultants are easily replaceable. The current shortages of teachers, doctors, nurses, etc means that they can just choose to be fired if they don't get the vaccine, and immediately find another job. No school system in their right mind can afford to lose 100 teachers or 30 firefighters.
Lol within 8 hours of the email I had arranged interviews at 3 other companies.
Yep, and instead of fighting for better working conditions, higher pay, more rights, they fight for the right to get erectile dysfunction and brain fog! (Both are long term side effects)
You say that but most of the big liberal counties saw nothing wrong with cutting their police force (at least initially).
I was under the impression you could test out of Biden's requirement, is your company not following that part of it?
Nope. Specifically said in the email that they aren't allowing a testing option. First policy was made a week or two ago that said they would require to just update your vaccine status by December and now a week later it changed.
The weird thing is that it says they're doing it because they're "following the science", but it makes no mention of other country's workers.
LOL - following the science, but if you WFH you need a vaccine. okay....
Also, the CDC director over the weekend said the vaccine doesn't stop transmission anymore:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ANTHONYBLOGAN/status/1444390327884947461
No, mine is not. The managing partners respect us enough to allow us to make our own decisions.
Same, btw
at a BB
US policy: our HQ in manhattan requires it for all EEs and vendors, field offices just require test or vax attested in the system
Technically no. I work in healthcare but I don't work with patients directly (although a lot of my work involves their care). I am vaccinated and so is the majority of the people in my office who choose to do a hybrid setup (at office/remote) but no one ever asked for physical approve of our vaccine card (technically we were supposed to send it to one of our internal departments but I never did nor have I been asked by the department head who I personally know to send it).
Do you think people are faking vaccinations or just not submitting proof?
No, everyone on my floor used to carry their card just in case someone asked. We're one of 2-3 corporate offices and aren't patient facing.
I don't think anyone in my department doesn't have the intention of not being vaccinated. Many sick days from a handful of my direct reports claiming "symptoms post vaccine."
It was only a matter of time before Drumpfy came out to play
PM me about this?
What is an F50? Is this in NYC
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