“NYC Mandates vaccine for private sector workers” Thoughts?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-city-sets-c…
Anyone going to quit over this? I’m vaccinated but not a big fan of mandates. Curious if this will make junior turnover even worse.
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Lets be honest, If you have not quit or found a new job already, you are probably not going to quit over this mandate.
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For whoever thew MS, this a joke. swear nobody has a sense of humor anymore.
Would agree, but I'm concerned about taking the same side of any trade as Antonio Brown
Even better just identify as transvaxx. If people disagree with what you think, then you can just call them transphobic and watch their ass get canceled real quick.
Conservatives have literally one joke
Why is this a problem? Only the far right like you guys are against science and current health topics. Vaccines have been around forever and you have to take them for college. But because trump made a big fuss, now all of a sudden some of his supporters are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Thankfully you guys are the minority.
Did you not go to college over vaccines as well?
F*cking idiots.
I have the vaccine and a booster. I 100% think vaccines are safe and effective. I was merely asking the question because I know super smart 22 year olds who have either bought into some conspiracy garbage or don’t like their perspective on the risk reward trade off. It’s also not just far right, many on the left are skeptical of Big pharma as well which I think is natural considering all their bullshit corruption throughout the past. I also don’t like the idea that cities can mandate a relatively new substance being put in people bodies even though long term im almost certain there will be tons of data showing how safe the vaccines were. But yeah be a reductionist asshole who can’t for one second imagine why people could be skeptical of companies and governments that have lied to them 1000x and call them fucking morons.
Listen to what you wrote.
You know “super smart” people who then you say also believe in trump conspiracies. That doesn’t make any sense. I know exactly zero “super smart” people who believe trump conspiracies. They may vote right cause they hate the left or are white and racist, but none of them believe you should inject bleach in yourself to protect yourself or than Biden secretly stole votes.
Before you type, at least do a little proof reading so your comment makes sense.
None of these vaccine mandates apply to people who don't have jobs or illegal immigrants, so there is nothing "scientific" about these mandates... just another step to hurt small businesses even more, and consolidate the supply chain a necessary step in increasing control. Added bonus of depriving critical thinkers and skeptics out of well paying roles... good way to get whistleblowers out and keep the establishment going.
Anyone refusing to get a vaccine on other than medical or religious grounds (which are explicitly exempted in this "mandate") are by definition not "critical thinkers" since there is no legitimate reason to not get vaccinated.
Moreover, one can still work remotely, so this is exactly the same "mandate" it always should have been - make whatever choice you want, but you cannot imperil public health and safety.
And finally and most importantly, this will never hold up in court and the de Blasio Administration knows this. Much like a lot of the fanatic religious intolerance and Gestapo-like behavior you see being legislated in states like Texas or Florida, this is political theater and not actual policymaking. Mr de Blasio is out of office in a few short weeks (thank god) and this is just him virtue signaling to supporters, since he'll soon need a new job and he isn't really qualified to have one.
you're right dude you're the only critical thinker amongst us for not getting the vaccine
we're all going to be microchipped by Bill Gates, but it's a good thing that you went to med school, have a PhD where you studied infectious diseases, and have decades of experience with vaccine clinical trials so that you can "think critically" with an informed opinion
the media is not the FDA dumb fuck
None of the mandates apply to people who don't have jobs, illegal immigrants, etc. Are these mandates really about science if they don't include everyone?
Not every vaccine or medicine is the same?
Trump pioneered Operation Warp Speed and was booed by his supporters for encouraging them to get the vaccine.
Ever heard of pro-vaccine but anti-mandate? Besides all this not every vaccine or medicine is the same.
No one gives a crap about illegals and poor people. So thats why we don’t care about forcing them to get it. They are the forgotten and downtrodden of society. And you can’t force illegals to do anything.
We were on a path to deporting illegals and then your hero f*cked everything up.
And please don’t pretend trump had anything to do with promoting the vaccine. I stoped listening to him after the inject yourself with bleach comment. If anything, the vaccine rolled out IN SPITE of that walking pile of white trash.
Well, yes, because we can't enforce anything on illegals and people without jobs aren't coming into a workplace. How would you like to enforce a mandate against those groups? In fact, what exactly are the punitive measures for unvaccinated employees, and how does the de Blasio Administration expect to enforce it?
Right, but the underlying rationale is. Vaccines are exceptionally safe and very effective. For a variety of especially contagious diseases, refusing to get one is actively endangering public health and safety. COVID-19 and it's variants have been determined to sit at the nexus of likelihood of infection and virulence of spread (as opposed to Ebola, say).
"Pioneered"? Congress allocated the dollars and Mr Trump made an announcement. Operation Warp Speed can be summed up as "lets find a vaccine". I understand the the bar is low for accomplishments by the Trump Administration, but certainly "develop a vaccine" is the absolute bare minimum he could have done? And lets not forget he fired the first director because the guy pushed back against the Trump Administration's alleged attempts to hand out contracts on the basis of political connections. An accusation which bears a lot of weight, given that it tracks so perfectly with the way Mr Trump conducted business for the other parts of his tenure in office.
Not getting vaccinated is a choice. Some 800,000 people in this country are dead, and I do believe that anyone who is making the active and conscious decision to contribute to that death toll has also sacrificed some of the freedoms that come with citizenship. Being a citizen entails both rights and responsibilities, and when you choose to endanger your fellow citizens, you lose some of the consideration you'd normally be due as well. This is pretty well established in law and jurisprudence; freedom to act does not mean freedom from consequence. If you're a New Yorker, you now get the choice between working from home and staying out of public spaces, or getting the jab. Seems easy enough.
I mean it’s all based upon the language. Gender by it’s very definition is societal and can be fluid. So a male identifying gendered person can be pregnant, but obviously a male by sex (xy chromosome) can’t. No one on the left is arguing, as far as I know, that basic biology isn’t true it’s more around the semantics and psychology of gender.
Believe trump is an idiot and set America back 20 years doesn't make you left. it makes you a rationale and intelligent person. Sadly, only Mitt Romney had the backbone to stand up to him.
Hey well you can also identify as vaccinated as well. It's called being transvaxx. I'm sure leftists support this 100% because it's derived from their ideology. Oh wait they're being hypocritical? Can't say I'm surprised. They lost it when they cried "my body my choice" and then supported government mandates of vaccines lmao.
The issue I have with comments like this is that people did bring up the severity of COVID in Jan-Feb 2020 and people like you were saying "it's not going to be any worse than the flu lol, you're clearly racist against Chinese people for bringing this up lol." Don't try to gaslight me that this never happened.
Or there's the whole thing about how 80% of COVID hospitaliations are for people who are obese, but I guess you don't like that because it's "fat shaming"
Or how the survival rate of COVID is far above what we originally thought in March 2020 yet you're still treating it like the second coming of the black plague
Or how treatments like ivermectin, NAC, or just not being a fatass generally improve COVID symptoms, yet you're okay with hospital administrators denying patients ivermectin even if they're about to keel over, because "it's policy lol"
I want a society where we can have open debate on these issues to come to better solutions. You don't, so I think we're better off minimalizing voices like yours who just want to stir things up by saying "against science" or other ridiculous statements. You do not have a monopoly on all scientific thought. You don't.
You can't say "we're all in this together" just when you need something from us and then act like you're all high and mighty when you get dissent.
You're a retard. Can you leftists go one second without mentioning trump? This whole situation has had nothing to do with trump, especially when he himself took the vaccine and recommends others take it. I'm vaccinated, and I don't support government mandates of the vaccine. If a private company wants to do it by themselves, then that's fine. That's their freedom of association and private property rights. The government has absolutely no say or authority to mandate what someone else puts in ones body. They are a monopoly on force and restrict choice with these mandates. They violate business property rights and don't allow them to decide for themselves whether they want to impose a mandate or not. In many cases, businesses will lose customers and workers over vaccination requirements. Enough with the disingenuous comparisons of taking vaccines to go to school. When have we had vaccine mandates from a governmental level for going to work? Sure, public schools have them, but you can always go to a private school that may not have them. I bet you're one of those people that follows in step with all your "experts". 15 dAyS tO sLoW tHe sPrEad. iT's jUsT a mAsK. iT's jUsT a lOcKdOwN. tRuST tHe sCiEnCe- trademark.
This is disingenuous in the extreme. Trump spent half a year complaining about how COVID wasn't a big deal and anything you heard about it was a hoax meant to make him look bad. Spent half a year, if not more, promoting crank "cures" or preventative measures and undermining people's confidence in the legitimate science behind vaccines. You cannot in good faith ignore that. There is a reason that people who identify as conservative are less likely be to vaccinated, and it should be pretty obvious what that is. Mr Trump, and much of the rest of the Republican establishment, has spent a great deal of time and effort undermining confidence in various institutions, so that their supporters are conditioned to expect that whatever they hear from someone without an "R" in front of their name on the television is either propaganda or a lie or a giant conspiracy. Mr Trump took a lead role in this. So when Americans now think that the COVID vaccine is a front for George Soros or Bill Gates to implant a microchip in them.... there is a direct line there from Mr Trump's science denial, to that kind of nonsense. All he had to do was say "hey, listen to the experts, the scientists and doctors, because the overwhelming consensus is to wear masks and get vaccinated." Had he done that, he'd still be POTUS, and many fewer Americans would be dead.
So bringing up the kind of anti-science and anti-rationalist rhetoric of Mr Trump and his cronies is absolutely appropriate, and to sit here and say that he's been encouraging people to get vaccinated is obvious bunk, since whatever he may be saying now, he spent most of the last year and a half undermining.
Love the trumpers!
This one pretending Trump recommended people take the vaccine lol! Like what he said in recorded video was "out of context"? I mean when there is video evidence of him saying the thing was fake I am unsure how you can just pretend that was never said.
And I also love when the ultra right like yourself cry that the government wants to put things in our body that are not good. When for years you pyschos have been arguing women can't control their own bodies and are desperately trying to repeal Roe vs Wade. Let me guess, government intervention is ok on that front, just not on this? God, the lack of intelligence is amazing. No wonder we aren't the super power anymore, with hypocritical home-grown morons like you. I hope you never convert your internship into an offer, so I don't have a chance of crossing paths with such a moron.
It’s not about believing in science. I believe in vaccines and am vaccinated. I’m even ok with private businesses deciding to have mandates. I take issue with the government doing it.
I don’t have an opinion on abortion but I find it comical that the left states “my body my choice” but calls the right conspiracy theorists for not wanting to be forced to put something in their body. Bunch of hypocrites.
Couldn't agree more. It's just the hypocrisy that frustrates me. Okay you believe in "my body my choice". Then you should also oppose government vaccine mandates if you want to be consistent. Like you, I am vaccinated and am perfectly fine with private business vaccine mandates but never from government. I don't really have a strong view on abortion either, but I at least get where the pro-life people are coming from.
The reason why I'm VERY leery about private businesses mandating it is we're now at a point where we're outsourcing civil liberties violations to the private sector that would never fly otherwise.
It depends on how employers enforce the mandate, because at the end of the day they are the only ones in a (realistic) position to actually verify the required information.
If employees have the option to sign a generic certification form, there won't be many people quitting. If employees have to upload a personal document to a portal, however, I could envision a small percentage of workers quitting, especially once you consider how many already hate their jobs to begin with.
Due to the timing of the mandate and bonus cycle, any near-term quits would likely be at the analyst level.
Many friends at Citi and Ft Partners have already lateraled because of the vax mandate. Obviously citing other reasons in interviews like want to trade up
BS. Pretty sure most banks have a vaccine mandate for anybody hired after July 2021
They probably lateraled to boutiques
Not true. Some mandate testing for non-vaxed employees but remember some of these banks have a big Texas presence (Houston energy, etc.) so they're trying to straddle both sides of the fence.
Genuinely confounded how one could be smart enough to get a job in banking but refuse to get vaccinated just because they don’t like being told what to do.
I agree that masks mandates are pretty retarded if you’re vaxxed and that people are generally quite irrational when it comes to Covid. But for crying out loud just get vaccinated so we can all move on with our lives.
If you’re vaccinated, you’re less likely to get COVID and give it to other people—that’s a fact (facts don’t care about your feelings yadda yadda yadda).
If everyone was vaccinated right now, all these new variants that are popping up wouldn’t pose a problem. The reason why we had all these shutdowns isn’t because covid is a deadly virus that’s killing people left and right. It’s because Covid is so transmissible and our hospitals don’t have the ICU capacity to treat everyone at once. And guess what? All of these people who are getting hospitalized are people who aren’t vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated and have an above average immune system then contracting Covid won’t be anything worse than getting a bad cold or mild flu.
Asserting that people aren't getting vaccinated because they don't want to be told what to do is a bit short sighted don't you think. I am a male in my early 30s who enjoys doing things outdoors and being active, climbing mountains and the like, so fairly physically exertive activities. Based on some of the early data we have so far on vaccine side effects for individuals in my age group, primarily Myocarditis and Pericarditis, if I were to suffer from those side effects I could very well no long be able to engage in the activities that bring me the most happiness for the rest of my life, it would be life altering. Having weighed the risk of getting Covid (I've had it, it's a joke) against these potential life altering side effects it's not even a close call that getting the vaccine isn't worth the risk to me. Getting the vaccine may have been right for you and may be right for many others but there are many people who feel the side effect risks just aren't worth it.
This is the exact problem with the vax mandate crowd, because any dissent in their ideology is either racist, misogynistic, transphobic, science denying, or whatever other ten cent word CNN ran on their headline today. It is utterly insane in every sense that the same people who were screaming "WE'RE FIGHTING FASCISM" are now the ones cancelling people and ruining their neighbors lives if they so much as like the wrong color. There is no critical thinking or personal decision making on any scale, and it is a scary sight directly out of 1984 in my opinion. Bottom line, and I think social media exacerbates the problem, is that everyone is way too worried on what other people are doing instead of focusing on how to better their own situation.
"I've had it, it's a joke" dude there are hundreds of thousands of people dead in the U.S. and millions all over the world
I'm glad you did get too sick but don't say such stupid shit
This in my mind is the exact problem with most of the country's stance on vaccination. Yes, I agree things would generally be better if everyone was vaccinated, but it goes much further than that and leads to "Okay, fine I'll get a booster because THEN it will be over" except for when you need another booster and another and another. TLDR format, where does this road end if we keep complying with every little request so we can live our lives. I'm a senior in college and was promised once students were vaxxed all restrictions would be lifted, and we're close to a month after the vax requirement date with nothing changing. I am not one to think there is something wrong with the vaccine, but I strongly believe people should be allowed to make choices for themselves. The moment people stop caring about "small" freedoms like these is the same moment this country is destroyed, IMO.
A bunch of neurotic type-a kids that devoted UG to networking and practicing technicals and free hand lbos walking away from the land of milk and honey due to a mandate....please.....
Can we please STOP WEARING MASKS if we are all vaccinated.
I stopped wearing mine when mass riots were permitted
Wall Street Oasis has a TON of dumb shit written on it, but my god, the anti-vax or anti-vax mandate people on this thread are genuinely saying some of the dumbest, least logical things I have ever read from people who claim to be educated professionals
None of you (or I) are qualified to make FDA determinations, CDC recommendations, or public health decisions. You shouldn't "do your own research" because you didn't go to med school, get a PhD studying infectious diseases, or spend decades understanding how to conduct and read vaccine clinical trials. Reading a couple of news headlines on Twitter doesn't mean that you have any semblance of an ability to assess the risk or rewards of COVID vs the vaccine.
The world got wrecked for 18 months, millions of people died, and the lock downs ruined millions more lives. And then basically as a miracle you're given a vaccine that let's you end it all as safely and quickly as you could ever ask, a whole host of people who actually know a lot about miracles are begging you to take the miracle, millions of people have already taken the miracle and are FINE, but you don't think it should be mandatory because you think it's not fair to force people to take miracles. Let alone the fact that the government makes you take OTHER miracles for OTHER diseases like measles.
Meanwhile, there are a gigantic host of front line workers who have experienced nothing but trauma for 18 months trying to save people. but rather than try to make an effort to make their lives and our health systems run for everyone again, you think it's ok for people to not take the vaccine, get insanely sick, and then beg the same hospitals and medical professionals they didn't trust a few weeks ago to save their lives
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