When California is too liberal

In Silicon Valley, a man is given leeway and a shorter sentence for being an immigrant. The lady at the bad end of a domestic abuse case is hoping for a more stringent ruling on her husband's conviction, but is not getting it since he is an immigrant and is in jeopardy of being deported for a hard felony.


After Gattani's release, Rastogi held out hope for strong sentencing against her husband, until the prosecutor pressed for “a lesser form of a felony." That was because the Santa Clara District Attorney was concerned a harder conviction would put Gattani in danger of being deported back to India. A lesser felony charge means that Gattani could spend as little as two weeks in jail, and would be able to expunge his record after completing certain probationary measures.

When's enough enough?

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Definitely think this has more to do with him being well-off than being an immigrant. Doubt some poor Mexican gets the same "we don't want him to get deported" leeway. So basically, sounds like the usual for the U.S. justice system, California or elsewhere.

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Actually they do. There are district attorneys who say they offer immigrants accused of crimes plea deals to help them avoid deportation. The argument for is that it saves them from a disproportionate punishment (deported for a low level conviction) whereas others say it is unethical because it treats citizens and non-citizens differently.

From the Wall Street Journal:

"..A Brooklyn man arrested for being unescorted in an apartment building. At the precinct, police officers discovered the man had a small amount of crack cocaine. In court, the man, a green-card holder from Haiti, pleaded guilty to drug possession. When he tried to come home after visiting Haiti, border officials wouldn’t let him return.

Under the new policy, prosecutors might have offered the green-card holder a trespassing plea, which wouldn’t have triggered immigration problems, instead of drug charges, which typically do."

Also.. Alameda County, which includes Oakland, issued guidelines in 2012 instructing prosecutors to consider immigration consequences for lesser crimes. As did NY, Baltimore, and Denver.

 
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Actually they do. There are district attorneys who say they offer immigrants accused of crimes plea deals to help them avoid deportation. The argument for is that it saves them from a disproportionate punishment (deported for a low level conviction) whereas others say it is unethical because it treats citizens and non-citizens differently.

From the Wall Street Journal:

"..A Brooklyn man arrested for being unescorted in an apartment building. At the precinct, police officers discovered the man had a small amount of crack cocaine. In court, the man, a green-card holder from Haiti, pleaded guilty to drug possession. When he tried to come home after visiting Haiti, border officials wouldn’t let him return.

Under the new policy, prosecutors might have offered the green-card holder a trespassing plea, which wouldn’t have triggered immigration problems, instead of drug charges, which typically do."

Also.. Alameda County, which includes Oakland, issued guidelines in 2012 instructing prosecutors to consider immigration consequences for lesser crimes. As did NY, Baltimore, and Denver.

I honestly don't get how far left the Democrats have moved on immigration. This is actually a fairly recent phenomenon. Peter Beinart (a liberal pundit) wrote an article on The Atlantic a few months back on the Democrats' immigration extremism. If you go back and look at Bill Clinton's comments when he was POTUS or then Senator Obama's comments on immigration, they were fairly conservative by today's standards. They talked about enforcing the border, making sure immigration policy benefits Americans, the need for enforcing the law. Now, Democrats genuinely believe that immigration laws are racist and xenophobic, that we should have open borders, that illegals should not only get all the full government benefits of citizens and legal residents but that we should give them citizenship as well. Democrats have expressed more concern for illegal aliens than they have with working class Americans.

Of course, this all boils down to the grand plan: by giving illegals citizenship, Democrats will add millions of loyal voters to their party ranks.

 

I stand corrected but understand the logic. A crime should have proportionate punishment which is the point of the justice system. I can sympathize with both perspectives: those that don't want to over-punish and those that feel the different standards are unjust.

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Liberal utopia, where you're forced to call white males Filipino females, where you're attacked with spiked bats for holding different political views, and where there are two legal systems, one, more stringent for native borns and another, more lenient for immigrants.

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Your fanaticism forces you to respond to each and every comment that criticizes your failed ideology. Must be torture to be so dominated by utter bullshit.

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It's too bad quite a few banks transferred their west-side HQ from LA to the Bay Area. I love Palo Alto and Cupertino, but SF, Berkeley, Oakland, and Emoryville have too many underlying issues that cannot be solved because of leftism leadership.

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It's true. While there are policies that meander through either side of the spectrum, too much dominance of one side can be a bad thing. I imagine not a lot of people would want to be dominated by a total conservative population or total liberal population. It eventually becomes an echo chamber where freedom of expression is eliminated under either. The balance helps even that out.

And while I understand the intentions of a lot of people on the West Coast may be good, the big picture impact and execution hasn't been favorable. Or realistic.

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As a politics junkie, the evolution of California from a once solid GOP to a rock solid Democratic state, is one of the most interesting and underrated developments in modern American politics.

In the 10 presidential elections from 1952 through 1988, GOP won 9 of them, with the only Democratic win being LBJ's 1964 landslide over Barry Goldwater. GOP dominated the state government as well, with Earl Warren, Reagan, Deukmeijian, Wilson, all serving as multiple-term governors. Between 1942 and 1998, the only Democratic governors of the state were Pat Brown and his son Jerry Brown (yes, the same Jerry Brown who is the current governor).

The state began experiencing a shift in the early-mid 90's. Several macro trends aided in the rise of the Democratic Party:

  1. The end of the Cold War decimated the once dominant aerospace and defense industry in southern California. McDonnell Douglas, for instance, had massive layoffs. Understandably, most of these employees were Republican, and they subsequently moved out of state.

  2. In 1994 the state passed Proposition 187, which banned illegal aliens from all non-emergency public services and resources. Although it passed by 18 points, with strong support from the GOP governor Pete Wilson, it alienated minorities and hurt the GOP brand. Pete Wilson's numbers with Latinos collapsed in his 1994 re-election win.

  3. Simple demographics: latino and Asian populations have increased considerably, and Asians have politically moved to the left. Reagan, HW Bush, and even Dole, won the Asian vote, but they have been voting Democratic since.

  4. Bill Clinton's successful presidency and economic policies made the Democratic Party palatable to college educated affluent suburban whites who traditionally voted Republican. Meanwhile, the GOP has moved sharply to the right on social and cultural issues, which does not resonate well with California.

For the record, Trump's 30 point loss to Clinton in California in 2016 is the worst performance by a major party nominee in the state since Alfred Landon's loss to FDR in 1936. Hillary even won GOP stronghold Orange County by close to 9 points, the first Democrat to win it since FDR 1936.

 

I think that sentence is just wrong and cannot be passed off as liberal because thats not what being liberal stands for is what I think.

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Are we saying that ALL instances in which immigrants are granted more lenient sentences involve an offender who truly deserve more severe punishment?

I just don’t understand the point of bringing up these individual accounts. You can’t necessarily generalize and claim that the California criminal justice system grants immigrants a free pass to commit felonies - all in the name of upholding a misguided liberal agenda.

 

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