Which schools would you choose over yale? (undergrad)
Which schools would you choose over yale? (undergrad). Interested in AM, HF, basically trading/wealth management stuff...stocks,options, etc. Not sure what I wanna do though.
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H, S, P, and MIT.
I would say Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, UPenn (Wharton), Stanford, MIT, and Cornell (Dyson) are all better than Yale in AM.
Did you get into Yale yet?
I think it depends a lot on what you want in the future and if you believe that you’ll get there without the Yale name and what you want out of your college experience (and $ of course). If you are incredibly bright you will succeed regardless of where you go. I know a girl who turned down Stanford for Wellesley and another kid who turned down Harvard for Alabama. I also know hockey players who turned down Yale for Wisconsin/University of Minnesota.
If you want a big party school, I’d turn Yale down for Michigan. I’d personally turn down Yale for Brown, Harvard, Dartmouth, Williams, and Amherst because of personal preference.
A chunk of kids at UChicago always end up at Citadel. I know a kid going to T Rowe Price out of undergrad from there.
Having summered at T. Rowe, it seems like they rly don’t care about school name as much as you would think. Saw a ton of aas and aa interns from “non-targets”. Think this is completely different for MBAs, as nearly all analysts/PMs went to Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, or Columbia. Rly gotta be passionate abt public markets investing and LOAM tho.
H/P/MIT/Stanford/Wharton
Others that would be toss up are UPenn non-wharton, U Chicago, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell Dyson, Duke
Other niche ones I'd at least consider would be Cal Tech, Williams, Amherst
The amount of course work/hardness is very important to me being an recruited athlete. Heres my thinking...Harvard (d1) and Stanford (d1) and Mit (d3) standout as top 3 (H and S out of reach sports wise and mit terrible athletic team, Princeton (d1) not worth harsh grading and competitiveness, upenn/Wharton(d1) not worth competitiveness. Uchicago (d3)not worth hardness of the school. Columbia (d1)who wants to be new york city. Dartmouth (d1) definitely an option, Brown (d1)easy with grade inflation definitely an option, yale(d1) definitely an option, Cornell/dyson (d1)definitely interesting option but not as prestigious when compared to the other iveys and not tight knit network/alumni in my opinion. Duke, harder course work than yale, dartmouth, brown. Williams (d3) not sure of hardness compared yale brown dartmouth, amherst (d1)same as williams, cal tech (d3) cant go there terrible team. vanderbilt and rice thoughts? Expand on this.
Was a college athlete (walked on tho but was involved with recruiting) and here are some things to consider/my advice:
1. My biggest piece of advice is to pick a school that you would still love if you could no longer play your sport. (If you had a career ending injury, would you still like your school. It sucks to think about but it’s a very important consideration because it’s a super shitty situation but this is the best advice I can give and I know 1/2 a dozen kids this has happen to personally)
2. Think critically about how important it is to you to get playing time/ the composition of the current team. If you play qb and the team already has 3 qbs who are better than you and currently underclassmen, know you probably won’t see much playing time. (Only you know how you feel about minutes)
3. Obviously things can change but how important is winning to you? Not every team is a NCAA championship contender
4. Look at the coaches and practice schedules/plans. Some coaches berate their players, some teams are dry all season, everyone breaks the 20hr rule but some teams are more flexible than others. Some teams prioritize the sport, others prioritize school, some teams want you to be involved with outside activities. Would the coach let you miss or leave practice early when recruiting?
5. Team culture. Easy to overlook but how toxic of a team can you handle?
6. How much do you actually love your sport? How much will you sacrifice?
7. $$$ D3 and Ivies don’t give out scholarship money (there are ways around this)
There’s no right answer to any of these questions. I’d take advantage of your overnights and just observe what the team is up to. Does the coach have a clear favorite? Does the whole team study together? Are kids friends with non-athletes? Does the team care about school? Ask your host lots of questions and seem normal. (The host is interviewing you as much as you’re interviewing the school. The last thing you want is your host to tell the coach you shouldn’t be on the team)
There are no ways around Ivies not giving scholarship money. If you're poor, you'll get 100% need-based aid through the school, but don't be starting rumors of under-the-table dealings because they're not true.
Sounds like you're on the right track.
Williams and Amherst should probably both be in your top tier. Brown and Dartmouth as alternatives makes sense from your framework.
There is an easier route to UChicago. It's probably still more difficult than Yale based on friends who graduated from both, but there's a path with minimal delta there.
Penn is hyper competitive for finance. There's also a DEEP recruiting pool. If you're set on IB / PE, you may be better off elsewhere based on the competitiveness factor. For what you're looking at, I'm not sure that's the case.
Cornell sucks. Don't do it. You can look at all the holistic pieces, but, end of the day, there's a LOT of misery at that school.
Duke isn't easy, but from what I know it isn't a standout for difficulty from the other schools on this list. It's also probably next to Dartmouth, the most fun school on the list.
CalTech is for academics. Doesn't sound like a fit.
Vanderbilt and Rice are great schools, but are in a different league than the rest here.
I think between that set, you need more criteria to optimize. What do you really want? Dartmouth parties hard. Williams and Amherst you'll have a very tight knit community + get a ton of attention academically. UChicago you can find your way into a decent city fraternity life with people that skew smarter than the other schools. Brown skews crunchier than the other Ivies. All of these have their advantages / disadvantages. You're also pretty unlikely to get into all of them (unless you already are?). I'd say apply to all, see where you get, up your weights on Williams / Amherst, lower them on Vandy / Rice / Cornell.
What does crunchier mean ab Brown?
Go to UCLA
so academically sounds like yale, brown, Dartmouth are gonna be easiest, any other top tier schools that won't be terribly difficult? being an recruited athlete helps with admissions so i'm not the typical 33+ act guy
UC Berk? Solid for AM, student body is a little mixed but I’ve heard academics aren’t the worst cuz you get lots of in state transfers from CCs who candidly don’t size up to 4y students, especially from out of state. Also, fwiw AM recruiting is more about what you can do than where you attended. Clout only gets you in the door.
Harvard, Stanford, Princeton. That's it. Might even consider Yale over Princeton because it is known to be easier. if you go to Yale UG, your pedigree is good enough for any job/career in the world. Sure it may be slightly more uphill going into VC compared to Stanford but so long as your WE is good enough, you will never be rejected from HF, PE, VC, TMT, Political careers based on pedigree. At the end of the day, that's what matters.
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