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I just watched an abortion video.

Within 2 min, I went from being pro-choice to being pro-life.

I understand the pro-choice argument, but thing is, you're carrying ANOTHER person and that person has rights.

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  • BlackHat's picture

    Pro-life. You're not me, so idgaf

    I hate victims who respect their executioners

  • Angus Macgyver's picture

    What? Are you also going to stop eating meat after you watch videos of an abattoir?

    I do know some people who have, though, so I guess it's not that far-fetched...

  • Abdel's picture

    Well, thing is, during that video, I could see the little thing still moving (as he was alive).

    And that innocence just killed me. I mean, it was a f*cking murder.

  • Angus Macgyver's picture

    Plants move. Animals move. Why don't you feel the same about killing them?

  • JeffSkilling's picture

    Are second/third trimester abortions really legal? Because that is beyond is fucked up.

  • Angus Macgyver's picture

    Depends on exactly how far along the pregnancy is, Jeff. 21 weeks or less and the fetus isn't considered viable on its own, or something like that.

  • In reply to Angus Macgyver
    Abdel's picture

    Angus Macgyver wrote:
    Plants move. Animals move. Why don't you feel the same about killing them?

    Life is precious. Intelligent life is even more precious when you realize our current situation (i.e. alone on this small planet, lost in a hostile universe)

  • In reply to Angus Macgyver
    Abdel's picture

    Angus Macgyver wrote:
    Plants move. Animals move. Why don't you feel the same about killing them?

    Go watch the video. I sent it to you.

    Then give me your feedback.

  • stvr2013's picture

    I believe in the right to choice up to a certain stage of pregnancy. I agree that aborting a fetus that is 4-6+ months along is wrong, but, like Angus said, at a certain stage the fetus isn't viable on its own and doesn't have a lot of brain functionality. When to exactly draw the line, I don't know. Leave that to the experts.

    Not a personal attack or anything, but I've always struggled with the idea that "life is precious/priceless". Everyone says that, and it's nice to think it, but if you truly believed it you would have to sell most of your possessions and start giving to charities that help feed starving children. Hell, I could easily move to Brooklyn and use the $500 in rent savings each month to save like, what, 10-15 lives?

  • melvvvar's picture

    abdel, what about cases of incest or rape

  • Powa23's picture

    I agree that abortions should be allowed for cases like incest and rape but I don't see why victims of those crimes would wait till their third trimester. They have six months to make that choice which should be plenty of time. An abortion past six months is just cruel and inhumane as a baby is almost formed.

    Abdel, do you mind sending me that video also?

  • Edmundo Braverman's picture

    As an adopted kid, it'd be pretty fucked up if I weren't pro life. That said, I think the entire fucking species should stop breeding, like, right fucking now.

  • TNA's picture

    Intelligent life is precious. The majority of people are not intelligent. I think abortion is kind of dumb since people have countless measures so they never get to that point, but I don't want the government getting involved in personal choice.

    How do you feel about national healthcare? Caring about an innocent life shouldn't end once they are born.

  • Angus Macgyver's picture

    Watched the video. So... because it looks like a baby and it's alive, you're against abortion?

    Me, I see it a little differently. I think abortion has a net positive effect on general welfare of the population.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    West Coast rainmaker's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    As an adopted kid, it'd be pretty fucked up if I weren't pro life. That said, I think the entire fucking species should stop breeding, like, right fucking now.

    100% agree. I became pro-life (within reason) a few years back. I have no problem with early (

  • seabird's picture

    I am anti abortion. However, I would be for a society what was pro choice if it acknowledged that it was killing babies, and that had voted specifically on allowing for the killing of babies until the whatever week of gestation, JUST SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FACED THE GRAVITY OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING.

    “...all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.”

    - Schopenhauer

  • WhyldeBoiye's picture

    Pro-life and vegetarian right here. What I can't stand more than anything are vegetarian liberals who are pro-choice/anti-life and like to make their positions known.

  • In reply to Abdel
    cplpayne's picture

    Abdel wrote:
    Well, thing is, during that video, I could see the little thing still moving (as he was alive).

    And that innocence just killed me. I mean, it was a f*cking murder.

    Didn't know they give abortions that late

    "One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

  • UFOinsider's picture

    Because you can only be for or against anything? There is no in between? If you watched a gruesome vidoe of open heart surgery, would you be against that too?

    Are you for or against raises: What if it's your raise? What if it's a union boss? What if someone is being promoted? It's not so cut and dry, now is it, there are other considerations.

    Beyond general elections, reality is more complicated than simple up/down votes.

    I'm pro-choice, but encourage life: abortion is a major proceedure and should be treated as such, and I like children. When people are stupidly anti-choice, I just tell them I'm pro-death and that they can suck it.

    Get busy living

  • melvvvar's picture

    how about this rape/incest thing

    i'd like to know if it is about protecting life or punishing women for getting knocked up

  • Johnny Ringo's picture

    Pro life....

    There was a political cartoon a while ago in some periodical and it was a man upset that God (this isn't a deity conversation) never sent someone to cure aids, cancer, war and poverty. Then the diety from above goes " I did and you aborted them"

    Eventus stultorum magister.

  • ginNtonic's picture

    Pro death.

    Pro abortion, pro war, pro suicide, pro assisted suicide, pro death penalty, pro whatever makes the line at Starbucks shorter

  • ivyliga's picture

    i-pro-life...respect for life

  • In reply to melvvvar
    UFOinsider's picture

    melvvvar wrote:
    i'd like to know if it is about protecting life or punishing women for getting knocked up

    It's about letting the person most likely to have to raise the kid have a say. If there was serious debate on the ridiculous topic of "punishing women", then be forthright and issue a summons, don't try an endrun around the formal system. Or start snipping men. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

    If it was about protecting life, how about start with the mulititude of other areas where life is being wontonly abused: start with the miserable failure of a healthcare system in the US, them move on to diet, substance abuse, smoking, crime, and poverty. Then, move on to war and ethnic cleansing, several million people died over the last few decades and they barely made the news. Use this in a debate and watch them change the subject or get nasty because there's really no way around this logic.

    Get busy living

  • In reply to ginNtonic
    UFOinsider's picture

    ginNtonic wrote:
    Pro death.

    Pro abortion, pro war, pro suicide, pro assisted suicide, pro death penalty, pro whatever makes the line at Starbucks shorter


    NICE. Silly people want to get midieval? GET MIDIEVAL!

    Get busy living

  • In reply to ginNtonic
    Flake's picture

    ginNtonic wrote:
    Pro death.

    Pro abortion, pro war, pro suicide, pro assisted suicide, pro death penalty, pro whatever makes the line at Starbucks shorter

    I like you.

    Under my tutelage, you will grow from boys to men. From men into gladiators. And from gladiators into SWANSONS.

  • TheKing's picture

    Pro-Choice up until a certain point in the pregnancy. I don't think late term abortions should be legal unless:

    --the mother's life is at risk
    --the babby is extremely fucked up / won't survive after birth (I don't know the technical terms, but the general reasons why late term abortions actually happen). As I understand it, these two points often go hand in hand.

    That said, a clump of cells is not a human being. If you take care of it early, it's fine. And I don't want to hear the "it's the possibility of life" argument, because it's total bunk. If you believe that, then stop jerking off.

    To add: the entire argument that life begins at conception is complete and total non-sense. It's based on pseudo-science Catholic church crap and should not be taken seriously in the abortion debate. "omg the sperm is in the egg, it's a human life!" Bullshit.

    Lastly: it's not going anywhere. So, why not keep it legal and safe instead of having to force women into dangerous black market abortions. Plus, we've got WAY bigger fish to fry than worrying about whether or not 1,000 celled zygotes get sucked out through a vacuum tube.

  • In reply to Edmundo Braverman
    brandon st randy's picture

    Edmundo Braverman wrote:
    As an adopted kid, it'd be pretty fucked up if I weren't pro life. That said, I think the entire fucking species should stop breeding, like, right fucking now.

    Steve Jobs was supposedly pro-choice, he certainly had no qualm supporting all those pro-choice Politicians. I guess he truly believed that what he created at Apple was nothing special.

    Too late for second-guessing Too late to go back to sleep.

  • westsidewolf1989's picture

    In a situation involving me personally, I will certainly be pro-life (although that's a little empty, since I'm a dude). I would never vote pro-life, however. Ironic how a bunch of old white men think they can tell women what to do with their bodies.

  • streetwannabe's picture

    Haven't read the whole string of comments yet, but I'm a poli sci minor. Had a class where we dedicated an entire section on this. In essence, it is not a person. It is not a viable life form as it is unsustainable outside the womb. Also, it is the women's choice. Domestic affairs are private and personal, no regulations should prohibit their actions. Furthermore, if you're the father, wouldn't you want the option of abortion? Even though you can't choose, if you decide YOU don't want a kid either, wouldn't you rather abort than end up paying child support for the next 18 years when you might have other things to focus on? People shouldn't have children till their ready, financially and emotionally. If you have one before that, all your doing is fucking up the kid's life and your own.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • In reply to JeffSkilling
    streetwannabe's picture

    JeffSkilling wrote:
    Are second/third trimester abortions really legal? Because that is beyond is fucked up.

    They are only legal in some cases (called still born abortion, won't go into details, but it's nasty), in which the birth of this child (c sect or other wise) is detrimental to the mother's health and life threatening.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • guerrillagrrl's picture

    I'll be pro-life and willing to legislate women's bodies the minute men start getting snipped for unpaid child support.

    Have a nice day!

  • In reply to melvvvar
    streetwannabe's picture

    melvvvar wrote:
    abdel, what about cases of incest or rape

    Minor's are allowed to only with parent's consent, or court motion (in case of incest when parent may not approve, for some sick reason).

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • happypantsmcgee's picture

    Positives far outweigh the negatives and I agree with TNA in this case, any situation that limits the amount of government intrusion on personal freedoms is best.

    Also, there are something like 5M kids in the foster system currently. Telling someone they should have a child and put it up for adoption if they can't afford it/don't want it is retarded.

    For all you pro lifers, what about in cases of rape? The same thing happens to that poor defenseless fetus, what do you do in that case?

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • streetwannabe's picture

    Also to point out to people, a lot of people abort because they are unable to provide or not ready (e.g. teen, low income, etc). Allowing them this option is vital. Is forcing them to have the child really going to be the best thing for that child? Granted adoption is an option, but it is not always possible in certain circumstances. I know that the study was sort of proved null, but the micro study on abortions in Freakonomics is still very intriguing and valid in my opinion.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • In reply to streetwannabe
    UFOinsider's picture

    streetwannabe wrote:
    Furthermore, if you're the father, wouldn't you want the option of abortion?

    There doesn't seem to be a practical way for the man to have much of a say after conception without violating the woman's rights...the reciprocal is allowing woman a say in a guy getting snipped. NOT HAPPENING. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've thought it over and it seems that with all of the talk of pro-choice, the guy doesn't seem to have one after conception. It seems that the ethics meet reality and lose. Anyone have a take on this?

    Get busy living

  • In reply to Johnny Ringo
    streetwannabe's picture

    Johnny Ringo wrote:
    Pro life....

    There was a political cartoon a while ago in some periodical and it was a man upset that God (this isn't a deity conversation) never sent someone to cure aids, cancer, war and poverty. Then the diety from above goes " I did and you aborted them"

    I've seen that, but it also could've been the next Hitler. See my comment above about who actually usually needs these procedures. The value of life for these children in most cases is not that great.

    Also, to everyone saying you're prolife bc of abortions after 2nd trimester, that answer is irrelevant because there is actually a cut off point. You can't say you aren't pro choice if you think it is okay before the 2nd trimester because that is really the only option.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • In reply to streetwannabe
    Powerpoint Jockey's picture

    streetwannabe wrote:
    Haven't read the whole string of comments yet, but I'm a poli sci minor. Had a class where we dedicated an entire section on this. In essence, it is not a person. It is not a viable life form as it is unsustainable outside the womb. Also, it is the women's choice. Domestic affairs are private and personal, no regulations should prohibit their actions. Furthermore, if you're the father, wouldn't you want the option of abortion? Even though you can't choose, if you decide YOU don't want a kid either, wouldn't you rather abort than end up paying child support for the next 18 years when you might have other things to focus on? People shouldn't have children till their ready, financially and emotionally. If you have one before that, all your doing is fucking up the kid's life and your own.

    Wow, so you've had a section of one semester of your minor in a bullshit subject talk about abortion and now you can inform us of the truth? The adults are talking, let us know how sophomore year goes.

    To those throwing around the rape/incest argument, those account for less than 1% of abortions in this country: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_Unite...

    Anyone that has seen video of a fetus before birth but thinks that there's some magic moment where they go from non-human to human is delusional.

  • In reply to TheKing
    OhYeah's picture

    TheKing wrote:
    That said, a clump of cells is not a human being. If you take care of it early, it's fine.

    A fetus is only a clump of cells for a very short time. At just 5-6 weeks from conception the heart starts beating. I think many people may not realize that.

    "Sincerity is an overrated virtue" - Milton Friedman

  • In reply to UFOinsider
    streetwannabe's picture

    UFOinsider wrote:
    streetwannabe wrote:
    Furthermore, if you're the father, wouldn't you want the option of abortion?

    There doesn't seem to be a practical way for the man to have much of a say after conception without violating the woman's rights...the reciprocal is allowing woman a say in a guy getting snipped. NOT HAPPENING. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've thought it over and it seems that with all of the talk of pro-choice, the guy doesn't seem to have one after conception. It seems that the ethics meet reality and lose. Anyone have a take on this?

    This is true and unfair to men, however I respect the logic behind it. If you knock up some crazy chick who wants the baby when you're both 19 and you plan on going to college and having a career, it can really screw things up. But I guess equal equity in this case is not really an option.

    This would be an interesting thing to research, have there ever been any cases regarding a male trying to get out of child care on grounds of his lack of choice in the matter?

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • RagnarDanneskjold's picture

    Pro-choice. Only for first trimester abortions though.

  • In reply to RagnarDanneskjold
    happypantsmcgee's picture

    RagnarDanneskjold wrote:
    Pro-choice. Only for first trimester abortions though.

    If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

  • In reply to streetwannabe
    UFOinsider's picture

    streetwannabe wrote:
    UFOinsider wrote:
    streetwannabe wrote:
    Furthermore, if you're the father, wouldn't you want the option of abortion?

    There doesn't seem to be a practical way for the man to have much of a say after conception without violating the woman's rights...the reciprocal is allowing woman a say in a guy getting snipped. NOT HAPPENING. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I've thought it over and it seems that with all of the talk of pro-choice, the guy doesn't seem to have one after conception. It seems that the ethics meet reality and lose. Anyone have a take on this?

    This is true and unfair to men, however I respect the logic behind it. If you knock up some crazy chick who wants the baby when you're both 19 and you plan on going to college and having a career, it can really screw things up. But I guess equal equity in this case is not really an option.

    This would be an interesting thing to research, have there ever been any cases regarding a male trying to get out of child care on grounds of his lack of choice in the matter?


    Not paying for the kid, well, I can't respect a man that doesn't. It seems that on this issue, there is no middle ground. Anyone else?

    Get busy living

  • sayandarula's picture

    abortion is an issue that i won't touch with a 10 foot pole.

    Money Never Sleeps? More like Money Never SUCKS amirite?!?!?!?

  • In reply to Abdel
    Argonaut's picture

    Abdel wrote:
    Angus Macgyver wrote:
    Plants move. Animals move. Why don't you feel the same about killing them?

    Life is precious. Intelligent life is even more precious when you realize our current situation (i.e. alone on this small planet, lost in a hostile universe)

    So what you are saying is that if the fetus has downs, it should get aborted?
    Because the average iq of down syndrome kids is right on par with the iq of dogs and parrots.

    More is good, all is better

  • In reply to Angus Macgyver
    bulge_bracket's picture

    Angus Macgyver wrote:
    Plants move. Animals move. Why don't you feel the same about killing them?

    Retarded comment. He's stating the fact that it moved to argue that it's a human, not an organism. Following your statement to its conclusion would entail calling someone a hypocrite if they have a problem with murder in general, since hey, plants and animals move too.

    And I'm pro-life generally but not die-hard, but statements like those are just stupid regardless of what you think though.

  • The Man's picture

    Pro-life. And I am astonished at the false comparison of Angus. If an animal moves, it means the animal is alive. So what? But if a human moves, it means the HUMAN is alive. It is wrong to kill innocent humans. The OP is asserting that it is a human and it is alive, and he claims what he saw in the video as evidence. What do slaughterhouses have to do with anything?

  • streetwannabe's picture

    Maybe a touchy issue, but aborted embryos are an important factor in stem cell research. Repairing paralysis for example, or healing AIDs, cancer, MS. The list goes on. These are benefits of this perhaps otherwise considered unacceptable act.

    "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

  • In reply to bulge_bracket
    Argonaut's picture

    bulge_bracket wrote:
    Angus Macgyver wrote:
    Plants move. Animals move. Why don't you feel the same about killing them?

    Retarded comment. He's stating the fact that it moved to argue that it's a human, not an organism. Following your statement to its conclusion would entail calling someone a hypocrite if they have a problem with murder in general, since hey, plants and animals move too.

    And I'm pro-life generally but not die-hard, but statements like those are just stupid regardless of what you think though.

    Retarded response. plenty of non-human things move, movement is not a proof of "humanity".
    The necessary condition for an organism to be considered "life" is the ability to sustain in ambient conditions.
    Until the fetus is able to breathe air and digest sustenance, it is no different from a monster tumor.

    (get ready to have your mind blown)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teratoma

    More is good, all is better

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