I figured this would make for some interesting discussion, the most prestigious is overly discussed but the least prestigious? Not many people discussing that!
What do you all think? You can separate UG/Grad if you have different answers for each.
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Brown.
University of Vermont
Definitely Brown.
brown
Brown probably
Depends on what you're studying there but prolly Brown/Cornell/Dartmouth.
three way tie, HYP
1) H
1a) YP
2) Dartmouth, Columbia, Wharton
3) Cornell, Brown, and non-Wharton UPenn
(This is not a list for who places the best in finance. Also, Columbia should really be in tier 3 for not having a lacrosse team.)
This looks right, but I'd list Dartmouth as 2b.
Dartmouth is no way above non-wharton penn people. And i wish people stopped discriminating so heavily between wharton and non-wharton Penn. If you see the career statistics non-wharton people do just as well as wharton people.The quality between wharton and non-wharton student body is not different. If anything i have met quite a few intelectually vapid whartonites. The amazing recruiting opportunities are open to all Penn students and many times recruiters are happy to see a non-business major because it brings something unique to the table. Penn has as much prestige as columbia and definitely more than Dartmouth. I'd prob put wharton as 1b), Penn, Columbia 2), Brown, Dartmouth 3), Cornell 4)
WSO : the only place where the prestige level of the ivy league school you went to will ever fucking matter and have threads devoted to it
This is great!
I'm a little stunned by the # of responses this thread has generated. glad i could help.
lawl
Prestige is an ambiguous concept. But, if given the choice, I would choose Brown over Cornell. Cornell and its populace seems miserable in general.
UBS
Cornell by far. Brown has gr8 placement at MBB and IB. Brown placement at MBB is far ahead of both Columbia & Cornell.
Brown
Cornell. Definitely Cornell. I went there (engineering, not business, but I had class with those b-school kids) and the business school being part of the state school lowers the quality of student drastically. Brown is probably second worst, but it has some advantages. At Brown you have no core, which means that you can very easily pick up a second focus that makes you attractive and sell that, ie. I'm an Econ/Comp Sci major with heavy coursework in Arabic, or something like that.
We aren't talking quality. Purely prestige. Otherwise I'd agree.
Fair enough. I always figured that the prestige would translate, but maybe not.
If I had gone to Brown I could have majored in Egyptology.
Brown may not have prestige, but it does have Emma Watson. To me that's even more important.
Ditto that my brother
She doesn't go there anymore unfortunately :/
lived down the hall from her freshman year...you jelly?
If you had the courage to talk to her, then definitely jelly. Any good stories about her?
We're playing this game now? I had Jessica Biel in my bed.
She left Brown halfway through her sophomore year I believe.
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That whole Yale thing.
Brown & Cornell
(Isn't Cornell part public too? Gross)
Bunch of jaded college kids. I hope you little fuckers all end up at a community college.
Cornell. Prestige is created by exclusivity, and Cornell is gigantic.
Whenever I read threads like this, I think about how doomed the next generation is.
Somewhat contrary to how WSO monkeys view it, the way most applicants (and thus their parents) these days seem to view it is: 1) HYP and Wharton 2) Columbia 3) Brown 4) Normal Penn, Dartmouth 5) Cornell (though certainly not disrespected)
Honestly, in the eyes of most high schoolers/naive parents, Brown and Columbia are significantly more prestigious/nice than people on here make it out to be. Brown's just one of those schools whose beauty and liberalness (in both campus attitudes and that open curriculum bs) appeals to that stupid/naive/annoying/pseudo-intellectual clique. Weird because that same crowd craves Columbia's ultra-urbanity and really strict/unliberal core curriculum.
Go on College Confidential(the delusional Ivy-League aspiring high schooler's WSO) and you'll basically find all the proof you need.
Are people basing this in terms of prestige on Wall Street or just in general?
In terms of graduate schools, Brown is most definitely the least prestigious, but it's not the focus of the university. This and the size of its endowment push it down the rankings.
I find it hard to believe that Brown, which is now the 5th hardest school to get into in the country behind HYPS is by far the least prestigious Ivy League School.
If I had to say, I think it would go like this:
UPenn (Penn has a nursing school)
Cornell
Other than H/Y/P all being interchangeable I think your rankings are correct.
This works.
Penn has the #1 nursing school in the country. This, apparently, dilutes the university's prestige.
Trade schools, like UPenn's School of Nursing and Wharton, are never good when it comes to undergraduate prestige.
I can now understand that there are SO MANY stupid and blatant people who feel unsecure and try to BRAG Brown, Darmouth and look down upon CORNELL. Simply stating that Brown or Dartmouth is more prestigious does not make it actually is. Except for US news, which ranks Cornell 1 spot ABOVE Brown, in ARWU, Times, CWUR... NONE OF the ranking system in the world ranks Cornell below Brown, Dartmouth (Actually, it far EXCEEDS these two). Furthermore, Upenn is usually ranked LOWER than Cornell as well, By the way, the number of Nobel Prize winner in Cornell is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH LARGER than Dartmouth and Brown.
However, you should notice that PLACING BROWN AND DARTMOUTH ABOVE CORNELL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ARE. Brown and Dartmouth DOES NOT EVEN RANKED IN TOP 50 IN THE WORLD, which I do not even want to mention in this post. How can these blatant students be so SHAMELESS.
If you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.
XX. Brown
XXX. Dartmouth
If I'm a D1 athlete at a bad Ivy with a 4.0 and relevant internships I can't get a job on the street, right?
1st tier: HYP 2nd tier: Penn, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown
3rd tier: Cornell
The reason I picked Cornell at the very bottom of the barrel is due to its huge student class, which translates to lower % that a given individual has at clearing 1st round interviews for banking/ consulting jobs, during OCR. At a school like Dartmouth, there may be 150 students applying for 20 or so interview slots at Goldman. At Cornell, that number may be 400 students.
Also, by far, Cornell is the least selective school within the Ivies. At my alma mater, I knew some kids who joked: "the dumbest student at our college would be the smartest one at Cornell". The overall caliber of student body at Cornell's Hotel school, for example, is laughably low compared to say, Yale or Dartmouth.
What some here don't realize is that the level of selectivity between HYP and some of 'lower' Ivies isn't that different. Back when I was high school senior, I got into Yale and Princeton, got rejected from Harvard, and got rejected from Dartmouth and Brown. I knew some kids who got into Dartmouth, but not Brown, and vice versa, etc. Aside from Cornell and Penn's Nursing school, all Ivies are incredibly selective nowadays and pretty similar in terms of caliber of student body and OCR/ career opportunities. Granted, Harvard and Yale's got the biggest reputation and prestige by far.
However, college prestige means jack shit once you start working. 3-4 years out of school, your brand and marketability in industry will be strictly based on your work experience, quality of the firm you worked at, and the skill sets you developed. A Cornell grad with GS/MS IBD on resume >>>>>>> A Harvard grad with 2nd tier consulting experience, such as Deloitte or Accenture. Just as an example.
Wow. An incredible amount of Cornell bashing on this thread. (aka this guy who wrote an essay at 3am putting down the school).
I can now understand that there are SO MANY stupid and blatant people who feel unsecure and try to BRAG Brown, Darmouth and look down upon CORNELL. Simply stating that Brown or Dartmouth is more prestigious does not make it actually is. Except for US news, which ranks Cornell 1 spot ABOVE Brown, in ARWU, Times, CWUR... NONE OF the ranking system in the world ranks Cornell below Brown, Dartmouth (Actually, it far EXCEEDS these two). Furthermore, Upenn is usually ranked LOWER than Cornell as well, By the way, the number of Nobel Prize winner in Cornell is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH LARGER than Dartmouth and Brown.
However, you should notice that PLACING BROWN AND DARTMOUTH ABOVE CORNELL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ARE. Brown and Dartmouth DOES NOT EVEN RANKED IN TOP 50 IN THE WORLD, which I do not even want to mention in this post. How can these blatant students be so SHAMELESS.
If you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.
XX. Brown
XXX. Dartmouth
Because it's annoying how Cornell kids act like they are in the same world as HYPSWColumbia/MIT/Chicago/NYU.
To be honest it may be just me but i would take UT Austin over Cornell. I would take GA Tech over Cornell. It's the equivalent maybe of a good state school, somewhere at the level of a UT Austin or Michigan Ann Arbor. Ithaca college kids xfer into the school all the time, it just isn't a top level university.
Not sure how NYU got lumped into that group.
I think the only state school that MAY be comparable to Cornell is UC Berkeley. The Cornell hate on this site is crazy, for a top 15 University, a top 15 MBA program and a top 10 or 15 undergrad B-school, Cornell gets ragged on waaay to much. We all know, Cornell isnt HPY, but who cares? Do Cornell grads really hold themselves in the same light as a HPY grad? I'd assume they group themselves with the Dartmouth and Brown grads, and rightfully so. The people who go to Cornell go because they couldn’t get into HPY, but… the same can be said for every other top school… I don’t think the students there think any differently. Threads like these are just silly
UC Berkeley is a better University than Cornell, period. That school is almost always among the ranks of Yale or MIT, are you serious right now?
Cornell is in the league of UT Austin, Michigan Ann Arbor UC Berkeley is in another category and Cornell can't touch it. You really think there is a debate between whether I'd go to Haas vs. Johnson for an MBA? you think Cornell's econ department compares even to Michigan Ann Arbor's econ much less Berkeley?
Dartmouth and Brown are also in a league above Cornell sorry to say. No one takes Applied math or econ at cornell above Brown. No one takes an MBA at Cornell over Tuck. IDK anyone who would do undergrad at cornell over either of those schools either.
I can now understand that there are SO MANY stupid and blatant people who feel unsecure and try to BRAG Brown, Darmouth and look down upon CORNELL. Simply stating that Brown or Dartmouth is more prestigious does not make it actually is. Except for US news, which ranks Cornell 1 spot ABOVE Brown, in ARWU, Times, CWUR... NONE OF the ranking system in the world ranks Cornell below Brown, Dartmouth (Actually, it far EXCEEDS these two). Furthermore, Upenn is usually ranked LOWER than Cornell as well, By the way, the number of Nobel Prize winner in Cornell is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH LARGER than Dartmouth and Brown.
However, you should notice that PLACING BROWN AND DARTMOUTH ABOVE CORNELL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ARE. Brown and Dartmouth DOES NOT EVEN RANKED IN TOP 50 IN THE WORLD, which I do not even want to mention in this post. How can these blatant students be so SHAMELESS.
If you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.
XX. Brown
XXX. Dartmouth
You can of course choose UT-Austin over Cornell, and it is your choice. However, you should be aware of the fact that student like YOU will NEVER BE ACCEPTED BY CORNELL. Please note that BASHING CORNELL HERE WILL NOT CHANGE ITS DECISION ON REJECTING YOU.
Honestly, I lost any respect for Cornell when the kids I knew who barely cracked 1800 on SAT got into the Cornell Hotel school and the Cornell state schools, left and right. Obviously selectivity isn't everything, but it is what drives the perceived prestige of the institution. McKinsey wouldn't be McKinsey if they hire some of the kids that Cornell admits each year. Prestigious companies are well respected across the industry, due to their reputation of recruiting and retaining the finest talent. Same logic applies to institutions.
Cornell is the eyesore of the Ivy League. Its mere existence is a disgrace to the excellence and exclusivity of 'Ivy League'. It should be replaced by some other school for Ivies membership - MIT or Duke would be a better fit.
^Agree with above. The amount of Cornell bashing is way over the top here on WSO.
ITT: Nerds.
I've always wondered how people just automatically say that Brown is the least prestigious Ivy when it has an acceptance rate of around 8% which makes it an extremely elite university and some of its peers such as Penn and Cornell have acceptance rates in the mid teens and even lower in Cornell's case. Makes me think that there are a lot of high schoolers on this forum who look at US News rankings.
I also know that at the nation's elite high schools such as those in NYC (Trinity, Collegiate etc), Andover, Exeter who have been sending kids to Ivies for generations that Brown ranks in the top 5 of desirability just behind H,Y,P and Cornell doesn't even come close.
Anyway, it's a pretty stupid thing to be discussing they're all good in their own way and I think that what distinguishes each Ivy is that they all have their own unique selling factors and reasons why students would want to go there - HYP (obvious reasons), Columbia (NYC, core), Brown (no core, liberal atmosphere, laid back, focus on undergrad), Dartmouth (location, size, alumni presence, frat scene, campus). It strikes me that Cornell is an outlier here and has absolutely nothing about it that makes it unique over some of its Ivy rivals. In fact, possibly what does make it unique is that some of its unique features are its drawbacks (size, location, difficulty of classes, graded on a curve, happiness of students).
Cornell is the best overall engineering school of the ivies. And it does have more of a state school feel...and is the least selective. Somebody's gotta finish last.
Nobody's saying Cornell is so much better than the other ivies. I don't even know a Cornell kid/alum that would say that. That said, it's a very good school. Don't understand the vitriol around here (not from this post)
The selectivity of Brown is one thing, but the above has nothing to do with prestige. Prep school kids disproportionately apply and go to Brown over Cornell because Brown is much more like the environment they're used to. There are a ton of prep school kids at Brown, and it feels a lot more like a prep school than Cornell ever will. (I went to one of those prep schools, have visited both Brown and Cornell, and have friends at both.) If your'e going to mention "elite high schools," you can't just choose a small sample of east coast private schools that have a very distinct culture.
Owned because this man took time out of his life to troll me lol...I have friends from my University currently doing Econ PhD's at MIT and Berkeley. None of them cared about cornell. I got into schools significantly better than Cornell. I chose a free education and was paid to study so I'd say I'm winning.
The school sucks at the Undergrad level. I know people who went there. TA's teaching classes. Aloof professors. Community college transfers making a significant portion of the student body. I would never send my children to that school unless they were being paid to be there. Just like any other state school.
Regards
I doubt you're winning with a 3.0. Although, I heard there's a shortage of managers at Five Guys.
im super winning with a 2.7 from a state school. sup.
Right yet I'm making more money than you...I'm sure I'm winning
I haven't seen anyone speak like you (I got in much better schools than X, won't let my kids go there, I'm making more money than you, I'm winning) since my College Confidential days. Straight up douchebag talk. I doubt you got into those schools.
p.s. being an athlete won't excuse your 3.0 GPA. There are D1 football players with 3.5s. How's that Villanova MSF app coming along? I wouldn't be surprised if you get rejected.
pps. Cornell (the school you are endless trashing) will be a better institution that whatever junk place you graduate from.
Well now that this has completely diverged into a futile battle against me this will be my last comment.
You've clearly dug through every post I made which is hillarious. Go read a book.
P.S. I was in every way shape and form at a more elite level than a D1 athlete.
Pps Cornell is still a state school regardless of how much time you spend digging through my old posts.
wat
If anything, you would easily get higher grades as an athlete with all of the "help" state schools provide.
You seem pretty irate about a school you have zero association with. With your background it doesn't pay to be a bitter twat.
That's a lot of eliteness. I'm in awe.
(I still don't know what it means.)
Maybe this is just because I went to a non-target, but I would happily go to any Ivy if I could do things over again. You know you have it too good when you can argue whether Brown or Cornell are worse.
Can someone define prestige so all of this bashing makes more (less) sense?
pres·tige n. 1. The level of respect at which one is regarded by others; standing. 2. A person's high standing among others; honor or esteem. 3. Widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance 4. The extent to which an individual in a prestige-obsessed industry or environment can "dickslang"
They're all same pretty much. If you had to bucket them on prestige only then (e.g. "OMG s/he went to XYZ"):
1) HYPW 2) the rest
Internationally (coming from my Oxbridge friend):
1) Harvard & MIT 2) Oxbridge 3) the rest of the good stuff (other ivy, Berkeley, UVA, Amherst, etc)
p.s. you'll be fine if you go to school from any of these tiers. I know its improbable, but you can even go to a school of this list and be ok.
for b-schools - these rankings relatively matter for job placement and career progression:
1) HBS 2) Wharton 3) Columbia, Dartmouth, Yale 4) Cornell
The general theme is that every PE/HF shop recruits at HBS/Stanford as well as everything else recruits there. About half the PE/HF shops recruit at Wharton as well as everything else recruits there . A couple PE/HF shops recruit at other M-7, Stern, Duke places. Each of the M-7, Stern, Duke schools have a particular flavor but don't have access to every industry completely (e.g. Kellogg is strong in consulting, weak in banking. MIT is strong in tech, weak in consulting, etc). Other schools with decent "traditional job" placement like banking/consulting include Cornell, Darden, USC or US News top 20ish schools.
Although I would throw Yale in with Cornell at 4 with your B-school rankings, I agree with all of this. Ok, officially done with this thread.
Going by the definition above. It just seems like it's much more of 1 and 4, rather than 2 and 3. And if that's the case, why do we care about prestige? It's similar to the notion of "honor" during the medieval times. It's a value placed on you by others that doesn't necessarily reflect the individual that you are. What's the need for it? Why continue to perpetuate it?
Why not just value people on what comes out of their mouths and what they do? If you went to Haas but run a non-profit in Africa that makes soccer balls that powers lamps after one hour's play, does it matter that you went to Haas and not Harvard? Not to those kids in Africa. And if you went to Harvard and did the same thing it'd be the same reaction--gratitude and appreciation. What's the point of prestige?
Because... without prestige, how else are you going to assume you're better than other people on the interwebz?
If you have to ask...
Pretty sure the group that made those balls were from hbs
and sloan is weak in consulting?
Just when I thought WSO couldn't be any douchier, I read this thread and realize I was wrong again.
Oh come on, Mr. Cranky
You could just troll it with the rest of us
1)HYP 2)Dartmouth/Columbia 3) Brown, Cornell and Penn
I can't split it down further than that.
But to those up there who are saying UC berk and other state schools are more prestigious than any of the ivies give me a fucking break, son. And yes, I did go to one of the lower 5 ivies, but I'm still right.
My personal ranking (including prestigious non-ivies)
LOL at Vanderbilt even making this list.
Based on my experiences, this is roughly my perception of prestige in terms of applying to jobs and grad school.
I'd actually overall agree with this list. I went to a top NY high school and students almost always chose Vanderbilt over Cornell, at least over the past 5/6 years. With that said, Cornell has the Ivy label which may make it more "prestigious" even though it's less selective/desirable than Vanderbilt.
Vandy is not an IVY
I think prestige order goes like (in finance): 1. Harvard/Yale/Princeton 4.Columbia 5.Penn 6.Brown 7.Cornell 8.Dartmouth
But hey, having to choose between any combo of these schools is a problem I'd love to have.
In terms of general prestige, Dartmouth should be with Columbia, just below HYPW.
When it comes to finance placement, Dartmouth rivals YP.
Brown
Probably Brown. I'd rank them this way:
Wharton Harvard Princeton Yale Dartmouth Cornell Columbia Penn Brown
Wharton trumps all and Dartmouth really has a very loyal network. Idk why Cornell is bashed, they send a huge number to every BB, even sent two straight to GS MBD last year. Columbia and Brown have weak networks and Penn always has to explain why they're not Wharton.
Also, I ranked purely by prestigousness in finance.
cornell>>>>>>brown
I can now understand that there are SO MANY stupid and blatant people who feel unsecure and try to BRAG Brown, Darmouth and look down upon CORNELL. Simply stating that Brown or Dartmouth is more prestigious does not make it actually is. Except for US news, which ranks Cornell 1 spot ABOVE Brown, in ARWU, Times, CWUR... NONE OF the ranking system in the world ranks Cornell below Brown, Dartmouth (Actually, it far EXCEEDS these two). Furthermore, Upenn is usually ranked LOWER than Cornell as well, By the way, the number of Nobel Prize winner in Cornell is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH LARGER than Dartmouth and Brown.
However, you should notice that PLACING BROWN AND DARTMOUTH ABOVE CORNELL DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ARE. Brown and Dartmouth DOES NOT EVEN RANKED IN TOP 50 IN THE WORLD, which I do not even want to mention in this post. How can these blatant students be so SHAMELESS.
If you have ANY questions, please search for ARWU, TIMES, CWUR, US NEWS, LIST OF NOBEL LAUREATES BY UNIVERSITY AFFILIATION. If you are STUPID ENOUGH that you cannot READ numbers, English or do not understand primary school Math, I will try my best to teach you and to improve your IQ. Do not hesitate to contact me if you do not know MATH.
XX. Brown
XXX. Dartmouth
I do not want to argue any more. If you have hands and if your IQ is larger than 0, please search online to see that where Cornell is ranked and where Brown, Dartmouth, Upenn are ranked in different ranking systems. Slightly higher acceptance rate does not mean that the university is worse. On the other hand, it is because Cornell has many majors that are not offered in other universities, and it is more comprehensive. Diversity is equally important for higher education.
I can be sure that many of those students who are bashing Cornell must have been rejected by Cornell. I think that they really need sympathy. :)
i dont have a dog in this fight buts its clearly cornell or brown.
As someone who's now been to two Ivies (Cornell being one obviously) this is just about the dumbest thing I've seen on this site, and makes me think most of the writers are high schoolers. The vast majority of people in this country (and overseas) would give their left nut to get into any one of these schools, and here people are trying to decide which is the "most prestigious". Also as someone who went to a high school that sent multiple kids to every single one of these schools, I know alums from all of them. And guess what? There are gasp some Brown/Cornell alums who've done much better and had more "prestigious" (in WSO terms) careers than people who went to HYP. Take a look here: https://www.linkedin.com/edu/rankings/us. Notice that on every single one of the "business" sectors, every single Ivy places in the top 10-15 (except software engineers, where the most-hated school on this thread smokes the others)? Notice how for many, the order isn't always H-Y-P? I know, it's shocking.
Cornell. Brown would be second, I'd say
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