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affluenza's picture

Lehman Brothers Continue Desperate Bailout – Too Little Too Late?

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What’s going to be left to sell, if this doesn’t work? Anybody in the market for Fuld’s used desk chair and a few paperclips? Does anybody think Lehman is going to be able to pull themselves out of this mess? 3rd quarter reports a net loss of $3.9 billion, and they just announced they’ll be slashing dividends by nearly 93%. Time to jump ship? (Well, what’s left of it) I’m curious to hear what you think.

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El_Terrible's picture

My question is how they

My question is how they intend to make money going forward?

kingbling89's picture

umm look at today's press

umm look at today's press release
every division is making money except fixed income.. and all the FICC losses are coming from real estate

i think the spinoff is a good idea, and a gain of cash from a asset sale will help

my guess is the firm survives

Revsly's picture

Aren't they going to need a

Aren't they going to need a lot of equity to successfully pull off the spin-off though? Where's that going to come from?

kingbling89's picture

my opinion is that the

my opinion is that the equity will come from 1. some of their sale of assets such as sale of assets to blackrock or 2. equity generated from sale of a part of investment management arm or 3. maybe a few outside investors

they should be able to pull it off

Revsly's picture

I still have my doubts that

I still have my doubts that they will be able to stay Tier I though, even after all the sales of assets. It also seems like they may be having a more difficult time unloading their IM divisions than they expected, but maybe I'm reading into that too much.

fakerz's picture

what is the point of the subject line in replies?

Revsly wrote:

Aren't they going to need a lot of equity to successfully pull off the spin-off though? Where's that going to come from?

They are putting $8bn equity into the spin-off, Real Estate Investments Global, and the rest will be financed by long term debt ($24bn debt).

yesman's picture

thaler at uchicago did a

thaler at uchicago did a pretty good case study on dividend cuts - dividends are the canary in the coal mine, adios...

PleaseHireMe's picture

The

only good thing in this thread is affluenza's avatar

Excelster's picture

My question is if you are an

My question is if you are an MD at Lehman and a vast majority of your pay is in now worthless stock options, why not jump ship? I know it is a tight market but if you are an MD with a lot of relationships that get you the lead on deals, you can find a job.

kingbling89's picture

still hard to find a job i

still hard to find a job i even with those relationships
senior people are probably the most cut at alot of the investment banks so they might not be hiring

b2's picture

All the good ones have been

All the good ones have been leaving anyway - there have been a couple of articles recently about the brain drain at Lehman. The ones who are left are probably mediocre and no bank needs more mediocre MDs at the point. Even if Lehman survives, I don't know how it will remain competitive with such a talent outflow.

Philosopher's picture

Lehman employees are

Lehman employees are historically very loyal.
Lehman will survive...just a lot smaller. And over many years it will build up again.

tuaj's picture

put a hold on everything -

put a hold on everything - it's asking for buyers. lehman may survive after all.