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5/1/11

Who is watching the news? Obama is about to deliver a statement in the White House briefing room. John King from CNN said that the announcement is about Osama Bin Ladin's death.

According to John King, the U.S has the body of Bin Ladin.

So what's next?

Comments (302)

5/1/11

silver?

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5/1/11

Nah! Ghadafi. They just killed his son and his grandchildren. They will hang him like they hang Sadam Hussein.

No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well.

5/1/11

Did we kill him or someone else did/he died of "natural" causes?

5/1/11
Koho:

Did we kill him or someone else did/he died of "natural" causes?

I don't know.

No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well.

5/1/11

he be dead son

5/1/11

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

5/1/11
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

I heard Obama killed him with his bare hands.

"Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America."

5/1/11
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

Honestly, I don't bother posting much anymore because of cunts like you, but fuck you if you think Obama had jack shit to do with this.

Chalk this up to George Bush and him going after Bin Ladin. Obama has made it his presidency to blame everything on Bush. Well guess what, this is Bush's fault also and he should get all the credit.

And with that I am done with this post.

5/1/11
ANT:

Chalk this up to George Bush and him going after Bin Ladin. Obama has made it his presidency to blame everything on Bush. Well guess what, this is Bush's fault also and he should get all the credit.

Get over yourself. This wasn't the result of the actions of Bush or Obama. We should be lauding our special forces.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/1/11
eokpar02:
ANT:

Chalk this up to George Bush and him going after Bin Ladin. Obama has made it his presidency to blame everything on Bush. Well guess what, this is Bush's fault also and he should get all the credit.

Get over yourself. This wasn't the result of the actions of Bush or Obama. We should be lauding our special forces.

this

5/2/11
cartman:

this

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I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
cartman:

this

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It means he agreed with what you quoted.

5/3/11
ANT:
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

Honestly, I don't bother posting much anymore because of cunts like you, but fuck you if you think Obama had jack shit to do with this.

Chalk this up to George Bush and him going after Bin Ladin. Obama has made it his presidency to blame everything on Bush. Well guess what, this is Bush's fault also and he should get all the credit.

And with that I am done with this post.

Obama succeeded where Bush failed...again and again and again and again.

I deep throat cock

5/1/11
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

I am just passing the news. I don't care about Obama. Don't shoot the messenger

No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well.

5/1/11
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

Dude, shut the fuck up. While I'm with ANT on this that Bush deserves way more credit for this than Obama. I'm not going to get political with this. This isn't about politics, this is great day for ALL AMERICANS (and if you disagree you can go throw yourself off a bridge because you are a worthless piece of shit).

My one regret is that he was killed quickly with a bomb rather than having the slow painful death he deserved. If anyone saw the movie Law Abiding Citizen and how Gerald Butler killed the second guy who murdered his family then you know exactly what I would have done to him.....and then I would have fed him into a wood chipper feet first.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

5/2/11
Gekko21:

Dude, shut the fuck up. While I'm with ANT on this that Bush deserves way more credit for this than Obama. I'm not going to get political with this.

Why? Bin Laden had been hiding in that compound for 6 years.

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-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
Gekko21:

Dude, shut the fuck up. While I'm with ANT on this that Bush deserves way more credit for this than Obama. I'm not going to get political with this.

Why? Bin Laden had been hiding in that compound for 6 years.

Damn dude, you knew that he was there the whole time?!? You should have told somebody.

Regards

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- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

Like I've said in the past...you're a fucking retard.

Agree with Ant, this kind of shit is why I don't even like posting here anymore.

5/2/11
rebelcross:
TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

Like I've said in the past...you're a fucking retard.

Agree with Ant, this kind of shit is why I don't even like posting here anymore.

Agreed as well. I've lost the desire to post here anymore because the forum has gone to shits. The only reason I've been sticking around is because I've sustained so many personal attacks recently and people have voiced their opinion for me to leave...well, I'm a stubborn asshole and will only leave on my own accord.

Regards

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5/1/11

What happens to Obama's presidency now...

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5/1/11

You beat me by maybe 30 secs on this thread. I deleted mine as a show of defeat.

On the real though, nice to have some sort of symbol of closure coming close to the 10 year of 9/11

5/1/11
FreeWeezy:

You beat me by maybe 30 secs on this thread. I deleted mine as a show of defeat.

On the real though, nice to have some sort of symbol of closure coming close to the 10 year of 9/11

Will you give me a sb for the 30 second win?

No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well.

5/1/11

Killed by US air strike.

America.........FUCK YEAH!

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

5/1/11

Hopefully Trump doesn't want to see the death certificate.

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5/1/11
blackfinancier:

Hopefully Trump doesn't want to see the death certificate.

We have his body. He was killed a week ago and we confirmed with DNA testing.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

5/1/11

beat me on the thread as well...

he died from "US military Action"

[someone shot his ass]

I wonder if the person(s) that shot him could publicly come out about it (write a book etc) or if they did they'd be a target...

5/1/11

I gotta buy that fighter pilot a beer.

"Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, for knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA."

5/1/11

i knew this would trend here too

5/1/11

Was it really an airstrike?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/1/11

Well, I guess the fact that there isn't a UN resolution on the table that authorises anything but a no-fly zone and protection of civilians whilst also calling for dialogue with Gadaffi might be of interest to some.

I would be interested to hear if it's confirmed that it was a US plane, because my country is a NATO member and there's speculation that it was one of ours.

5/1/11
SpiderMonkeyOhYes:

I would be interested to hear if it's confirmed that it was a US plane, because my country is a NATO member and there's speculation that it was one of ours.

Props to whoever it was, I'm just glad the fucker is dead

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5/1/11

Markets Rally. Dollar strengthens...gold/silver fall.

5/1/11

This guarantees Obama's reelection no doubt. Thank goodness.

5/2/11
jjcannon:

This guarantees Obama's reelection no doubt. Thank goodness.

+1 jjcannon.

Still I Rise

5/1/11

Where is Eddie/Midas we need a LIVE NSFW coverage of this news.

US dollar rally coming big time tommorow!

5/1/11

Im away for a few days and Osama is dead, silver goes bat shit crazy, and half of alabama is destroyed .....damn
Interesting that we had the body for a week. Seems his subordinates knew as well: http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nuclear-hellstor...

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5/1/11

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

5/1/11

Lockheed Martin shares are gonna fly tomorrow. Lol on a real note thank God! brings a closure to many ppl.

"The higher up the mountain, the more treacherous the path"
-Frank Underwood

5/1/11

live footage of how it happened:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ47eGSilPc

5/1/11

USA USA USA, Fuck I'm drinking a cold beer to this

5/1/11

I'm with Gekko. The only thing that could make this better would have been if we'd caught him and executed him in Times Square.

TheKing:

BUT...BUT...OBAMA IS WEAK ON TERROR AND A SECRET MUSLIM!

Get a fucking life dude.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/1/11

Crude down -1.60...Dollar Rally....interestingggg..key reversal??

5/1/11

Yes, a slow painful death would have been amazing... but I'm just glad he can no longer breath. If ANYBODY needed a good killin', it was him.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/1/11

Pakistan and nukes, i hope this works out for the best!

5/1/11
wannabeaballer:

Pakistan and nukes, i hope this works out for the best!

Haha good call.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nuclear-hellstor...

0_o

5/1/11
5/1/11

"AMERICA FUCK YEAH"

5/1/11

+1 GWB.

Regards

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- Ronald Reagan

5/1/11

wow i didnt know so many sheep roamed wso

5/1/11

law abiding citizen esque death would have been great

5/1/11
JimboUSC:

law abiding citizen esque death would have been great

A trial followed by the rest of his life in solitary confinement would have sufficed.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/1/11

Like I already said, while this is good news for all Americans and I'm glad the f***er is dead, this is a badly needed smoke-screen of an announcement for Obama's administration. Fundamentals haven't changed and you have more imminent issues at hand to deal with. I'm not going to party like it's 1999 just because he was "supposedly" killed this week. Who knows really how long he's been dead for.

This is going to be all over the MSM and it will be spun way out of proportion. Again, glad he's dead, but it's not changing anything. It's said he was killed in a mansion outside of Islamabad.

Islamabad? Are you fucking kidding me? If you've ever been there, you know what a small, sleepy, upscale and totally not like the rest of Pakistan kinda place it is. It's like the world's most wanted person was found in Aspen or the Hamptons. I mean, the Pakistanis had to have known this asshole was in their capitol city. This is crazy news. Pakistan has some explaining to do.

You think it's coincidence this was rolled out before NY opens up on Monday? While London and other markets are on a holiday? How about silver and gold flash-crashing just hours before this announcement?

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5/1/11

OBAMA: AMERICANS shot Osama in a strategic FIREFIGHT on ground and obtained his body.

Good shit

5/1/11
kelleykid:

OBAMA: AMERICANS shot Osama in a strategic FIREFIGHT on ground and obtained his body.

Good shit

I can't believe it was a firefight, imagine the men of that team wow.

God bless our troops.

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5/1/11
kelleykid:

OBAMA: AMERICANS shot Osama in a strategic FIREFIGHT on ground and obtained his body.

Good shit

wow. almost mind-blowing

5/1/11

No Americans were harmed :)

Good job special forces operators... good job.

Could you imagine being the guy or being the guy on that team that killed him? They must feel like ultimate badasses right now and rightfully so.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/1/11

shot once in the head by U.S. navy seals it was a jooint operation between U.S. and Pakistani forces
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852646#4...

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5/1/11
dwight schrute:

shot once in the head by U.S. navy seals it was a jooint operation between U.S. and Pakistani forces
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852646#4...

Where did you hear that it was SEALS?

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/1/11
scottj19x89:
dwight schrute:

shot once in the head by U.S. navy seals it was a jooint operation between U.S. and Pakistani forces
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852646#4...

Where did you hear that it was SEALS?

They said it earlier in the video. Its live. Im almost totally sure I heard seals but I could be mistaken

Making money is art and working is art and good business is the best art - Andy Warhol

5/1/11
dwight schrute:
scottj19x89:
dwight schrute:

shot once in the head by U.S. navy seals it was a jooint operation between U.S. and Pakistani forces
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42852646#4...

Where did you hear that it was SEALS?

They said it earlier in the video. Its live. Im almost totally sure I heard seals but I could be mistaken

I've been watching MSNBC the whole time and no mention about who shot him. They're just speculating that it was a JSOC operation, but no official word.

Also, I'm pretty sure they've been saying that it was a purely American operation, albeit with some Pakistani intelligence.

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5/1/11

Congratulations to all my fellow veterans and current enlisted. I would have gave my left nut to be the person to pull the trigger on that fucker.

I think that we are all clinging to a great many piano tops...

5/1/11

This is a night all Americans can celebrate...God Bless USA!

5/1/11

This is a night all Americans can celebrate...God Bless USA!

5/1/11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYE_e8lUeH4

"We'll find him in the end, I promise you. We'll find him, just as sure as the turnin' of the Earth"

Go America.

5/1/11

I wanted Osama captured alive, so the US could interrogate him.

5/2/11
starwin:

I wanted Osama captured alive, so the US could interrogate him.

And ask him what? "Where is Osa...nevermind."

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/1/11

you don't want to be known as the guy who killed him. You will have a big target on you and your family. That's why specail ops dudes don't walk around wearing shirts that say special ops - and i'm not talking about the lower tiers.

5/1/11

America's prestige back on the rise. We showed the world that we are willing to do anything to defend our people. After seeing what we are willing to do to bring people to justice who else is really going to try to mess with America? Big stick diplomacy-2. AMERICA > WORLD.

5/1/11

EVERYBODY IN NYC GO TO THE PATRIOT NOW

5/1/11

See, they said US assets and not troops... I'm guessing CIA cause they got some super badass black ops shit goin on. It doesn't seem like something the SEALS would do either unless they were very close to the area with little time.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/1/11
scottj19x89:

See, they said US assets and not troops... I'm guessing CIA cause they got some super badass black ops shit goin on. It doesn't seem like something the SEALS would do either unless they were very close to the area with little time.

Given it's a firefight, I'm thinking it's a little more SpecOps stuff. If it was a drone strike, then maybe.

5/1/11

All credit should be given to the Spec Ops. If You're a vet, you should be saying the same thing.

5/2/11
Antsman:

All credit should be given to the Spec Ops. If You're a vet, you should be saying the same thing.

and I am.

5/1/11

RANDOM PREDICTION!

The song "America, Fuck Yeah" from the Team America soundtrack will be on the iTunes top 10 list by tomorrow morning!

5/2/11
Nouveau Richie:

RANDOM PREDICTION!

The song "America, Fuck Yeah" from the Team America soundtrack will be on the iTunes top 10 list by tomorrow morning!

Haha... I've just been watching the "likes" go up repeatedly on this video

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/2/11
scottj19x89:
Nouveau Richie:

RANDOM PREDICTION!

The song "America, Fuck Yeah" from the Team America soundtrack will be on the iTunes top 10 list by tomorrow morning!

Haha... I've just been watching the "likes" go up repeatedly on this video

haha, totally agree. Facebook and Twitter are like a fucking beehive right meow.

Deservedly so though!

Fuck Osama!

5/2/11
Nouveau Richie:
scottj19x89:
Nouveau Richie:

RANDOM PREDICTION!

The song "America, Fuck Yeah" from the Team America soundtrack will be on the iTunes top 10 list by tomorrow morning!

Haha... I've just been watching the "likes" go up repeatedly on this video

haha, totally agree. Facebook and Twitter are like a fucking beehive right meow.

Deservedly so though!

Fuck Osama!

Imagine..this without Facebook and Twitter we wouldn't know till tomorrow... ridiculous.

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5/2/11
blackfinancier:
Nouveau Richie:
scottj19x89:
Nouveau Richie:

RANDOM PREDICTION!

The song "America, Fuck Yeah" from the Team America soundtrack will be on the iTunes top 10 list by tomorrow morning!

Haha... I've just been watching the "likes" go up repeatedly on this video

haha, totally agree. Facebook and Twitter are like a fucking beehive right meow.

Deservedly so though!

Fuck Osama!

Imagine..this without Facebook and Twitter we wouldn't know till tomorrow... ridiculous.

nah, we would still know. Some dufus would run through the streets in every town like Paul FUCKING Revere screaming "OSAMA IS DEAD!" and then we'd all just turn our Transistor radios/Black-and-White Televisions on and watch as our trusty news anchors told us what was up.

That's how it used to go down at least...

5/2/11

Close to meaningless "victory". It took nearly 10 years for the biggest army in the world to find and kill a single man. Surely there shouldn't be such a celebratory atmosphere.

A milestone, but for both the 'goodies' and the 'baddies'. The murderous Jihadists now have a martyr and an idol.

Fight must continue. Far from over.

5/2/11
London George:

Close to meaningless "victory". It took nearly 10 years for the biggest army in the world to find and kill a single man. Surely there shouldn't be such a celebratory atmosphere.

A milestone, but for both the 'goodies' and the 'baddies'. The murderous Jihadists now have a martyr and an idol.

Fight must continue. Far from over.

I understand the whole "10 years" thing... but it IS possible to evade capture by other humans, no matter how highly trained they are. Especially if you're intelligent and have A LOT of power.

Can somebody show me the news headline that reads "TERRORISM IS OVER!"?... nobody is saying this, there is nothing wrong with being glad that such a piece of fucking scum is dead

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/2/11
London George:

Close to meaningless "victory". It took nearly 10 years for the biggest army in the world to find and kill a single man. Surely there shouldn't be such a celebratory atmosphere.

A milestone, but for both the 'goodies' and the 'baddies'. The murderous Jihadists now have a martyr and an idol.

Fight must continue. Far from over.

Hmm, either you aren't an American, or you're a shitty one...either way we don't care for what you have to say.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
5/2/11

"Have you ever tried to use a chain with 3 weak links? I have, and now I no longer own an arctic wolf."
-Dwight Schrute

5/2/11

Congrats guys, I may be against the wars, but that doesn't mean it's not a reason to celebrate. Thanks to the vets and current military folks.

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5/2/11

Former presidents are weighing in on the killing of Osama bin Laden by American forces operating inside Pakistan.

Former President George W. Bush, whose entire presidency was defined by the September 11th attacks, said in a statement tonight that President Obama called him to inform him of the news of bin Laden's death.

Bush called the operation a "momentous achievement" that "marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001."

"I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude," the former president said in a statement. "The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done."

Pure Class.

5/2/11
ANT:

Former presidents are weighing in on the killing of Osama bin Laden by American forces operating inside Pakistan.

Former President George W. Bush, whose entire presidency was defined by the September 11th attacks, said in a statement tonight that President Obama called him to inform him of the news of bin Laden's death.

Bush called the operation a "momentous achievement" that "marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001."

"I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude," the former president said in a statement. "The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done."

Pure Class.

He's always keeping it classy. True patriot and will be remembered for such, though it won't be by the current generation.

Regards

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- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
ANT:

Former presidents are weighing in on the killing of Osama bin Laden by American forces operating inside Pakistan.

Former President George W. Bush, whose entire presidency was defined by the September 11th attacks, said in a statement tonight that President Obama called him to inform him of the news of bin Laden's death.

Bush called the operation a "momentous achievement" that "marks a victory for America, for people who seek peace around the world, and for all those who lost loved ones on September 11, 2001."

"I congratulated him and the men and women of our military and intelligence communities who devoted their lives to this mission. They have our everlasting gratitude," the former president said in a statement. "The fight against terror goes on, but tonight America has sent an unmistakable message: No matter how long it takes, justice will be done."

Pure Class.

I'm no fan of many of his policies, but Bush has shown nothing but class after his term ended and indeed for his entire presidency. Something of a rarity.

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5/2/11

This wasn't done with an air strike. They specifically said that it was a firefight. I'm sure it was special forces, seals, or CIA. I did like how Obama had to mention about 5 times that he decided that the intel was credible enough to act and that he approved the raid on the compound. The credit for this should fall 100% to the military, not to any politician.

5/2/11

SEALs.

5/2/11
total:

SEALs.

Nope. Two special forces teams.

5/2/11

I think we should also give props to Pakistan for helping us with this. They might huff and puff for the idiots in their country, but behind the scenes they helped us big time with this one.

And I really hate how people try and use the 10 years shit against us. As if finding one man who is always moving, uses no technology and is fiercely protected, all while operating in some of the most extreme terrain possible, should of been a piece of cake.

If you think any other nation could of done this in 30 years you would be joking. Only the USA could have done this in such a short time frame. Yes, 10 years is short. The world is pretty damn big and Osama isn't the only bad guy we have been after.

5/2/11

Naaa, CPH, Bush is a worthless loser. He just gave two nations a chance at Democracy, killed one horrible Dictator and his sons, and now finally Bin Ladin is dead.

Bush is going to go down in history as accomplishing nothing. Oh wait ...

Obama is still thinking of how he could of used "I" a little bit more in his speech.

5/2/11
ANT:

Naaa, CPH, Bush is a worthless loser. He just gave two nations a chance at Democracy, killed one horrible Dictator and his sons, and now finally Bin Ladin is dead.

Bush is going to go down in history as accomplishing nothing. Oh wait ...

Obama is still thinking of how he could of used "I" a little bit more in his speech.

Yeah, but President Bush was a horrible public speaker...so none of that counts!!

It's funny, I thought the same thing when I listened to his address. It's always "me, we & us" until something is criticized and then the finger starts to point. He never thanked Bush for his effort and the only time he mentioned his name was when he was pointing out that this isn't a fight against Islam.

+1 for Pakistan for all their help and all my old friends in the Intel community...and my buddy on ST6...I hope he got to pull the trigger.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:

Yeah, but President Bush was a horrible public speaker...so none of that counts!!

It's funny, I thought the same thing when I listened to his address. It's always "me, we & us" until something is criticized and then the finger starts to point. He never thanked Bush for his effort and the only time he mentioned his name was when he was pointing out that this isn't a fight against Islam.

+1 for Pakistan for all their help and all my old friends in the Intel community...and my buddy on ST6...I hope he got to pull the trigger.

Regards

1- Obama did mention Bush with a positive implication. I don't know what type of bitch-made man would complain that Bush didn't receive profuse gratitude.

2- Bush let Osama escape at Tora Bora by outsourcing combat their to Afghanis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

soldier:

Fury gives three reasons for why he believes bin Laden was able to escape.... 3) over-reliance on native Afghan military forces as the main force deployed against bin Laden and his fighters. Fury states that the Afghan forces would usually leave the battlefield in the evenings to break their Ramadan fasts, thereby allowing the al-Qaeda forces a chance to regroup, reposition, or escape.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
cphbravo96:

Yeah, but President Bush was a horrible public speaker...so none of that counts!!

It's funny, I thought the same thing when I listened to his address. It's always "me, we & us" until something is criticized and then the finger starts to point. He never thanked Bush for his effort and the only time he mentioned his name was when he was pointing out that this isn't a fight against Islam.

+1 for Pakistan for all their help and all my old friends in the Intel community...and my buddy on ST6...I hope he got to pull the trigger.

Regards

1- Obama did mention Bush with a positive implication. I don't know what type of bitch-made man would complain that Bush didn't receive profuse gratitude.

2- Bush let Osama escape at Tora Bora by outsourcing combat their to Afghanis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora

soldier:

Fury gives three reasons for why he believes bin Laden was able to escape.... 3) over-reliance on native Afghan military forces as the main force deployed against bin Laden and his fighters. Fury states that the Afghan forces would usually leave the battlefield in the evenings to break their Ramadan fasts, thereby allowing the al-Qaeda forces a chance to regroup, reposition, or escape.

I'm not complaining...just pointing out how Bush's name falls from that guy's mouth Ad nauseam when anyone brings up the shitty economy or that we should have troops deployed, etc. Then magically this occurs, something that Bush set the precedent for and he doesn't thank him or mention his efforts, etc.

Feel free to post a video of Obama mentioning Bush's name other than how I already said he did. I am really excited to see it.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
ANT:

Naaa, CPH, Bush is a worthless loser. He just gave two nations a chance at Democracy, killed one horrible Dictator and his sons, and now finally Bin Ladin is dead.

Bush is going to go down in history as accomplishing nothing. Oh wait ...

Obama is still thinking of how he could of used "I" a little bit more in his speech.

Don't forget about the 1 million Iraqis who died. Or the 2.5 million Iraqis who are internal refugees or the 2.2 millions who had to flee Iraq because fear of reprisals.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
ANT:

Naaa, CPH, Bush is a worthless loser. He just gave two nations a chance at Democracy, killed one horrible Dictator and his sons, and now finally Bin Ladin is dead.

Bush is going to go down in history as accomplishing nothing. Oh wait ...

Obama is still thinking of how he could of used "I" a little bit more in his speech.

Don't forget about the 1 million Iraqis who died. Or the 2.5 million Iraqis who are internal refugees or the 2.2 millions who had to flee Iraq because fear of reprisals.

Does your 1MM dead figure include all the ones who died because of Iraqi suicide bombings and other murderous attacks? Considering the USA as well as the rest of the civilized world has stringent rules of engagement, I really doubt 1MM Iraqis have been killed from US military mass slaughter.

Fear of reprisals? From US military soldiers? Or Iraqi terrorists?

Or are you lumping all the Kurds that Saddam gassed into these figures? Or maybe the mass graves of innocent people that were killed during Saddam.

Because we all know there was peace and tranquility before the Americans got there.

How many people died during the revolutionary war for Democracy and freedom? Last time I checked being free and democratic wasn't a bloodless ordeal.

5/2/11
ANT:

Does your 1MM dead figure include all the ones who died because of Iraqi suicide bombings and other murderous attacks? Considering the USA as well as the rest of the civilized world has stringent rules of engagement, I really doubt 1MM Iraqis have been killed from US military mass slaughter.

Fear of reprisals? From US military soldiers? Or Iraqi terrorists?

Or are you lumping all the Kurds that Saddam gassed into these figures? Or maybe the mass graves of innocent people that were killed during Saddam.

Because we all know there was peace and tranquility before the Americans got there.

How many people died during the revolutionary war for Democracy and freedom? Last time I checked being free and democratic wasn't a bloodless ordeal.

ANT, I think this really is an ideal venue to discuss this, but since you took the time to write a post, I would feel remiss not responding.

In developed countries, like the one we live in, responsibility does not end with explicit action. Just because American forces didn't kill those 1 million people doesn't mean that our policy wasn't responsible for their untimely demise. If we didn't invade and create a security vacuum through our lack of planning, none of those suicide bombings, reprisals and tortures would have happened.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
ANT:

Does your 1MM dead figure include all the ones who died because of Iraqi suicide bombings and other murderous attacks? Considering the USA as well as the rest of the civilized world has stringent rules of engagement, I really doubt 1MM Iraqis have been killed from US military mass slaughter.

Fear of reprisals? From US military soldiers? Or Iraqi terrorists?

Or are you lumping all the Kurds that Saddam gassed into these figures? Or maybe the mass graves of innocent people that were killed during Saddam.

Because we all know there was peace and tranquility before the Americans got there.

How many people died during the revolutionary war for Democracy and freedom? Last time I checked being free and democratic wasn't a bloodless ordeal.

ANT, I think this really is an ideal venue to discuss this, but since you took the time to write a post, I would feel remiss not responding.

In developed countries, like the one we live in, responsibility does not end with explicit action. Just because American forces didn't kill those 1 million people doesn't mean that our policy wasn't responsible for their untimely demise. If we didn't invade and create a security vacuum through our lack of planning, none of those suicide bombings, reprisals and tortures would have happened.

Haha, yeah, we shouldn't have kept all of our 'suicide bombing' detectors to ourselves. Please explain to us how we can prevent and stop all of these bombings around the world...I am absolutely sure that many governments would be interested in your secret formula.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:

Haha, yeah, we shouldn't have kept all of our 'suicide bombing' detectors to ourselves. Please explain to us how we can prevent and stop all of these bombings around the world...I am absolutely sure that many governments would be interested in your secret formula.

Regards

We could have prevented human misery that arrived at Iraq's doorstep by... not starting a pointless war. I didn't mention terror attacks in other countries, I limited the purview of my retort to the tumult in Iraq because we caused it.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
cphbravo96:

Haha, yeah, we shouldn't have kept all of our 'suicide bombing' detectors to ourselves. Please explain to us how we can prevent and stop all of these bombings around the world...I am absolutely sure that many governments would be interested in your secret formula.

Regards

We could have prevented human misery that arrived at Iraq's doorstep by... not starting a pointless war. I didn't mention terror attacks in other countries, I limited the purview of my retort to the tumult in Iraq because we caused it.

Says the guy who was born free despite never making any sacrifices.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:

Says the guy who was born free despite never making any sacrifices.

Regards

Yes, just like our former president Bush, I have never served in the military. I hope you would apply your logic to Bush, maybe you would get off his nuts.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
eokpar02:
cphbravo96:

Says the guy who was born free despite never making any sacrifices.

Regards

Yes, just like our former president Bush, I have never served in the military. I hope you would apply your logic to Bush, maybe you would get off his nuts.

First, I won't get off his nuts, they are far too comfortable and patriotic.

And no, I can't apply that logic to Bush because he isn't the one calling the war in Iraq pointless, etc.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:
eokpar02:
cphbravo96:

Haha, yeah, we shouldn't have kept all of our 'suicide bombing' detectors to ourselves. Please explain to us how we can prevent and stop all of these bombings around the world...I am absolutely sure that many governments would be interested in your secret formula.

Regards

We could have prevented human misery that arrived at Iraq's doorstep by... not starting a pointless war. I didn't mention terror attacks in other countries, I limited the purview of my retort to the tumult in Iraq because we caused it.

Says the guy who was born free despite never making any sacrifices.

Regards

This comment is particularly funny considering your love of the Bush administration - you know, a bunch of guys who managed to never see combat despite being of prime age during the Vietnam War. Guys who gladly used their connections and statuses to avoid combat. People who gladly sent our forces to fight in Iraq for a nation building exercise.

Are you implying somehow that his opinion that we should not have started the Iraq War is invalid because he has never been a soldier?

5/2/11
TheKing:
cphbravo96:
eokpar02:
cphbravo96:

Haha, yeah, we shouldn't have kept all of our 'suicide bombing' detectors to ourselves. Please explain to us how we can prevent and stop all of these bombings around the world...I am absolutely sure that many governments would be interested in your secret formula.

Regards

We could have prevented human misery that arrived at Iraq's doorstep by... not starting a pointless war. I didn't mention terror attacks in other countries, I limited the purview of my retort to the tumult in Iraq because we caused it.

Says the guy who was born free despite never making any sacrifices.

Regards

This comment is particularly funny considering your love of the Bush administration - you know, a bunch of guys who managed to never see combat despite being of prime age during the Vietnam War. Guys who gladly used their connections and statuses to avoid combat. People who gladly sent our forces to fight in Iraq for a nation building exercise.

Are you implying somehow that his opinion that we should not have started the Iraq War is invalid because he has never been a soldier?

No, I'm simply saying that it's easy to be callous about the cost of freedom when you've sacrificed nothing to have yours. President Bush isn't saying the war that freed a nation was 'pointless'...because it freed a nation and that means a lot to someone like Bush. We get it, you don't like him. If you think that Bush doesn't lose sleep at night because of the decisions he's made you are only fooling yourself.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:

No, I'm simply saying that it's easy to be callous about the cost of freedom when you've sacrificed nothing to have yours. President Bush isn't saying the war that freed a nation was 'pointless'...because it freed a nation and that means a lot to someone like Bush. We get it, you don't like him. If you think that Bush doesn't lose sleep at night because of the decisions he's made you are only fooling yourself.

Regards

How is saying the Iraq War was pointless callous? Is that what we call the truth now? Callous?

This is pointless good night.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11

eokpar02:
cphbravo96:

No, I'm simply saying that it's easy to be callous about the cost of freedom when you've sacrificed nothing to have yours. President Bush isn't saying the war that freed a nation was 'pointless'...because it freed a nation and that means a lot to someone like Bush. We get it, you don't like him. If you think that Bush doesn't lose sleep at night because of the decisions he's made you are only fooling yourself.

Regards

How is saying the Iraq War was pointless callous? Is that what we call the truth now? Callous?

This is pointless good night.

Because freedom is extremely important to some of us. I think the freedom the Iraqis have is a big deal...you on the other hand feel it's pointless. It seems to me, and I could be wrong, that you might value freedom a little more if (a) you were born without it or (b) you actually sacrificed something for it (whether for yourself or for somebody else). Neither of these seem to be the case.

Here, maybe this will explain it better...

Regards

*EDITED*

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
TheKing:

This comment is particularly funny considering your love of the Bush administration - you know, a bunch of guys who managed to never see combat despite being of prime age during the Vietnam War. Guys who gladly used their connections and statuses to avoid combat. People who gladly sent our forces to fight in Iraq for a nation building exercise.

Are you implying somehow that his opinion that we should not have started the Iraq War is invalid because he has never been a soldier?

Cph is an interesting character. He says my opinion doesn't matter since I went to college instead of the military... like George Bush. How he can say opinion is tainted by my lack of service, but Bush, using his father's power to evade the Vietnam War, is somehow someone deserving of magnanimous praise for sending our troops to thousand of miles away to their deaths for no reason.

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11
ANT:
eokpar02:
ANT:

Naaa, CPH, Bush is a worthless loser. He just gave two nations a chance at Democracy, killed one horrible Dictator and his sons, and now finally Bin Ladin is dead.

Bush is going to go down in history as accomplishing nothing. Oh wait ...

Obama is still thinking of how he could of used "I" a little bit more in his speech.

Don't forget about the 1 million Iraqis who died. Or the 2.5 million Iraqis who are internal refugees or the 2.2 millions who had to flee Iraq because fear of reprisals.

Does your 1MM dead figure include all the ones who died because of Iraqi suicide bombings and other murderous attacks? Considering the USA as well as the rest of the civilized world has stringent rules of engagement, I really doubt 1MM Iraqis have been killed from US military mass slaughter.

Fear of reprisals? From US military soldiers? Or Iraqi terrorists?

Or are you lumping all the Kurds that Saddam gassed into these figures? Or maybe the mass graves of innocent people that were killed during Saddam.

Because we all know there was peace and tranquility before the Americans got there.

How many people died during the revolutionary war for Democracy and freedom? Last time I checked being free and democratic wasn't a bloodless ordeal.

Does it also include the many hundreds of thousands Saddam killed before we got there? Or are we not counting those?

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/2/11

It was a JSOC Operation. Also, congrats to 10 years of hard work by everyone, including Bush.

5/2/11

Buddy sent me this link....interesante... http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-0...

(Abbotabad is where they killed him)

5/2/11

Go America ! The devil is dead.

  • SpencerMakesBank
  •  5/2/11

Is it wrong to have mixed feelings on this? I am very glad he is dead, but watching CNN, I can't help but feel the chanting and the crowding is lowly/savage-like...

5/2/11
SpencerMakesBank:

Is it wrong to have mixed feelings on this? I am very glad he is dead, but watching CNN, I can't help but feel the chanting and the crowding is lowly/savage-like...

You guys finally caught and killed the bastard, just before the 10 year anniversary of 9/11. So if people are cheering because they feel justice is served, because they've gotten closure from the death of loved ones as a result of terrorism (either as a victim, or being killed in action), or even if it's just people wanting to celebrate for celebration's sake... it's expected. It is a pretty historical event. So long as this doesn't result in looting and random violence...

5/2/11

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/2/11

Wait, hold on a second. I thought we went into Iraq over WMDs? Oh, wait, what? We went in for "Iraqi freedom?" I'm not sure why people in here seem so pumped over the idea that 4,000 of our own troops died for a neocon nation building exercise.

And if you are ok with that, then shouldn't you be pressing us to go all out in places like Sudan?

5/2/11
TheKing:

Wait, hold on a second. I thought we went into Iraq over WMDs? Oh, wait, what? We went in for "Iraqi freedom?" I'm not sure why people in here seem so pumped over the idea that 4,000 of our own troops died for a neocon nation building exercise.

And if you are ok with that, then shouldn't you be pressing us to go all out in places like Sudan?

Let the U.S. bask in the moment of its victory.

5/2/11
TheKing:

Wait, hold on a second. I thought we went into Iraq over WMDs? Oh, wait, what? We went in for "Iraqi freedom?" I'm not sure why people in here seem so pumped over the idea that 4,000 of our own troops died for a neocon nation building exercise.

And if you are ok with that, then shouldn't you be pressing us to go all out in places like Sudan?

Wait, I thought we went in for oil?!?

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:
TheKing:

Wait, hold on a second. I thought we went into Iraq over WMDs? Oh, wait, what? We went in for "Iraqi freedom?" I'm not sure why people in here seem so pumped over the idea that 4,000 of our own troops died for a neocon nation building exercise.

And if you are ok with that, then shouldn't you be pressing us to go all out in places like Sudan?

Wait, I thought we went in for oil?!?

Regards

I assume this is your attempt at sarcasm and that you think I believe that. If so, you are incorrect. I just find it funny that so many people in here are cheerleading a nation building project. One which started as a war to find Sadaam's WMDs and had ever-shifting goal posts. It's especially funny to see the so-called libertarians of this forum defend this crap.

Let's all just be happy that we finally got the legitimate head bad guy of 9/11.

5/2/11

Who cares? bin laden was just a scapegoat for american greed.

5/2/11
YourWorstEnemy:

Who cares? bin laden was just a scapegoat for american greed.

Greed. Is. Good.

And don't you ever forget that.

5/2/11

"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." - George Bernard Shaw

5/2/11
jmayhem:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KpGyQ.jpg[/img]

Laughably ridiculous.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/2/11

10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths,

& $1,188,236,000,000 later,

we managed to kill one person.

I hope it was worth it.

5/2/11
YE777:

10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths,

& $1,188,236,000,000 later,

we managed to kill one person.

I hope it was worth it.

Glad you have it all figured out.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/2/11
YE777:

10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths,

& $1,188,236,000,000 later,

we managed to kill one person.

I hope it was worth it.

This is what happens when you vote a cheerleader for president.

5/2/11
YE777:

10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths,

& $1,188,236,000,000 later,

we managed to kill one person.

I hope it was worth it.

Your math skills have failed you on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

  • gnicholas
  •  5/2/11

While the war in Iraq was worthless and one of the greatest stains on American history, the war in Afghanistan was at a time a justified endeavor that now has tangible positive outcomes.

Congratulations and huge commendation are in line for President Obama, the CIA, and any other intelligence agencies involved. Catching a guy who is that rich, well-connected, well hidden in a shithole country with a bazillion followers masking him all the time is quite a difficult feat.

5/2/11

Quick question... Do people who debate on wso do so in hopes to change the mind of the other party or to educate the other party or they are just bored because...reading this neither side will EVER see it differently than they do now, and because of that its a fundamental belief that will never change. So essentially its like arguing with a wall...

Otherwise happy debating/arguing..

The answer to your question is 1) network 2) get involved 3) beef up your resume 4) repeat -happypantsmcgee

WSO is not your personal search function.

5/2/11
blackfinancier:

Quick question... Do people who debate on wso do so in hopes to change the mind of the other party or to educate the other party or they are just bored because...reading this neither side will EVER see it differently than they do now, and because of that its a fundamental belief that will never change. So essentially its like arguing with a wall...

Otherwise happy debating/arguing..

Debating makes us a better citizen. I find it quite enlightening to see both perspectives.

5/2/11
blackfinancier:

Quick question... Do people who debate on wso do so in hopes to change the mind of the other party or to educate the other party or they are just bored because...reading this neither side will EVER see it differently than they do now, and because of that its a fundamental belief that will never change. So essentially its like arguing with a wall...

Otherwise happy debating/arguing..

No I don't believe I will change anybody's view, but when I stand before God, I want to be able to say that I tried.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11

Bread and circuses.

5/2/11

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

5/2/11
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

I wanted Osama Bin Laden captured alive to hear what his story was. I wonder if he wrote a book while he was in hiding.

5/2/11
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

You mean these Israelis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbb8W7jZng&feature...

5/2/11
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

Your general lack of understanding about the way the world works is laughably retarded.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/2/11
happypantsmcgee:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

Your general lack of understanding about the way the world works is laughably retarded.

Judging from your answer, I am glad that at least you fully understand what is going on today :)

5/2/11
drexelalum11:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

You mean these Israelis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbb8W7jZng&feature...

No, these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UzT7epvRAQ

I think the actions in your link are not correct either.

5/2/11
ryan8700:
drexelalum11:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

You mean these Israelis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbb8W7jZng&feature...

No, these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UzT7epvRAQ

I think the actions in your link are not correct either.

Eichmann is notable only because of how unusual it is that he wasn't killed; that was only because he was resigned to his fate, and chose trial over death. He was captured in 1960; the 1972 Munich massacre changed Israeli policy on assassinations permanently, just like 9/11 has convinced Presidents to ignore executive order 12333

Regardless of whether or not the fictional actions in Munich are correct, the fact remains that Israel now carries out assassinations as a matter of policy. In Operation Wrath of God alone, Abdel Wael Zwaiter, Mahmoud Hamshari, Hussein Al Bashir, Basil al-Kubaissi, Muhammad Youssef al-Najjar, Kamal Adwan, Kamal Nasser, Zaiad Muchasi, Mohammad Boudia, Ali Hassan Salameh, Zuheir Mohsen, and Atef Bseiso, among others, were all killed. In the course of carrying this out, the Israelis killed multiple innocent people, either through collateral damage or mistaken identification.

Abbas al-Musawi was killed by Israeli missiles. Atef Bseiso was executed in his hotel room. Yahya Ayyash was killed by a bomb in his cell phone. Imad Abu Sneneh was executed by undercover Israeli agents. Salah Shahade and his family were killed by a 2200 pound bomb. Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, and Adnan al-Ghoul were all killed by helicopter strikes in 2004. Walid Obeidi and Muhammad Suleiman were shot by Israeli commandos in 2008. Nizar Rayan, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal, Said Seyam, and Khaled Shalan were all killed by Israeli air strikes in 2009. There was a diplomatic row when Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was killed last year. Mohammed A-Najar was killed only four months ago by an Israeli helicopter while driving his motorcycle. I could go on for hours.

The simple fact is, Israel has carried out assassinations for decades, and arguing otherwise is ludicrous. Eichmann is a different era, and even then Israel killed rather than tried some of the Nazis.

5/2/11
drexelalum11:
ryan8700:
drexelalum11:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

You mean these Israelis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbb8W7jZng&feature...

No, these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UzT7epvRAQ

I think the actions in your link are not correct either.

Eichmann is notable only because of how unusual it is that he wasn't killed; that was only because he was resigned to his fate, and chose trial over death. He was captured in 1960; the 1972 Munich massacre changed Israeli policy on assassinations permanently, just like 9/11 has convinced Presidents to ignore executive order 12333

Regardless of whether or not the fictional actions in Munich are correct, the fact remains that Israel now carries out assassinations as a matter of policy. In Operation Wrath of God alone, Abdel Wael Zwaiter, Mahmoud Hamshari, Hussein Al Bashir, Basil al-Kubaissi, Muhammad Youssef al-Najjar, Kamal Adwan, Kamal Nasser, Zaiad Muchasi, Mohammad Boudia, Ali Hassan Salameh, Zuheir Mohsen, and Atef Bseiso, among others, were all killed. In the course of carrying this out, the Israelis killed multiple innocent people, either through collateral damage or mistaken identification.

Abbas al-Musawi was killed by Israeli missiles. Atef Bseiso was executed in his hotel room. Yahya Ayyash was killed by a bomb in his cell phone. Imad Abu Sneneh was executed by undercover Israeli agents. Salah Shahade and his family were killed by a 2200 pound bomb. Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, and Adnan al-Ghoul were all killed by helicopter strikes in 2004. Walid Obeidi and Muhammad Suleiman were shot by Israeli commandos in 2008. Nizar Rayan, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal, Said Seyam, and Khaled Shalan were all killed by Israeli air strikes in 2009. There was a diplomatic row when Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was killed last year. Mohammed A-Najar was killed only four months ago by an Israeli helicopter while driving his motorcycle. I could go on for hours.

The simple fact is, Israel has carried out assassinations for decades, and arguing otherwise is ludicrous. Eichmann is a different era, and even then Israel killed rather than tried some of the Nazis.

But I am not saying that Israel is doing things that are like Eichman capture nowadays, I just gave Eichman's case as an example of how I think people who commit the so called crimes against humanity should be treated and tried.

5/2/11
ryan8700:
drexelalum11:
ryan8700:
drexelalum11:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

You mean these Israelis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbb8W7jZng&feature...

No, these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UzT7epvRAQ

I think the actions in your link are not correct either.

Eichmann is notable only because of how unusual it is that he wasn't killed; that was only because he was resigned to his fate, and chose trial over death. He was captured in 1960; the 1972 Munich massacre changed Israeli policy on assassinations permanently, just like 9/11 has convinced Presidents to ignore executive order 12333

Regardless of whether or not the fictional actions in Munich are correct, the fact remains that Israel now carries out assassinations as a matter of policy. In Operation Wrath of God alone, Abdel Wael Zwaiter, Mahmoud Hamshari, Hussein Al Bashir, Basil al-Kubaissi, Muhammad Youssef al-Najjar, Kamal Adwan, Kamal Nasser, Zaiad Muchasi, Mohammad Boudia, Ali Hassan Salameh, Zuheir Mohsen, and Atef Bseiso, among others, were all killed. In the course of carrying this out, the Israelis killed multiple innocent people, either through collateral damage or mistaken identification.

Abbas al-Musawi was killed by Israeli missiles. Atef Bseiso was executed in his hotel room. Yahya Ayyash was killed by a bomb in his cell phone. Imad Abu Sneneh was executed by undercover Israeli agents. Salah Shahade and his family were killed by a 2200 pound bomb. Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, and Adnan al-Ghoul were all killed by helicopter strikes in 2004. Walid Obeidi and Muhammad Suleiman were shot by Israeli commandos in 2008. Nizar Rayan, Abu Zakaria al-Jamal, Said Seyam, and Khaled Shalan were all killed by Israeli air strikes in 2009. There was a diplomatic row when Mahmoud al-Mabhouh was killed last year. Mohammed A-Najar was killed only four months ago by an Israeli helicopter while driving his motorcycle. I could go on for hours.

The simple fact is, Israel has carried out assassinations for decades, and arguing otherwise is ludicrous. Eichmann is a different era, and even then Israel killed rather than tried some of the Nazis.

But I am not saying that Israel is doing things that are like Eichman capture nowadays, I just gave Eichman's case as an example of how I think people who commit the so called crimes against humanity should be treated and tried.

There exists, and always has existed, a very clear delineation between legal combatants and illegal combatants, which relies almost exclusively upon the definition of a nation and the declaration of war. What Eichman did was beyond the ability of words to describe, but he did it under the banner of war and as a representative of the German people, and he and the other Nazis were tried as such. What Saddam Hussein did was reprehensible in the strongest terms, but he was the leader of Iraq and was tried as such. This tradition goes back millennia; Napoleon was exiled to St Helena and Elba because he was the leader of France. It is why Alexander buried Darius with full military honours. It is also why it was acceptable to kill Yamamoto as vengeance for Pearl Habour.

It is fashionable to pretend that the distinction the US draws between legal and illegal combatants is a new idea, but it is in fact anything but.

5/2/11
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

Yes, because he put his gun down and surrendered.

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

5/2/11
cplpayne:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

Yes, because he put his gun down and surrendered.

According to this
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binla...

there wasnt even an intention to capture him and that is my point.

5/2/11
ryan8700:
cplpayne:
ryan8700:

While I do not want defend anyone and I believe that he deserved the punishment, I thought that we live in a developed and civilized world where we take people, who we think committed crime, to courts and judge their actions in that kind of setting. That is what we made Europeans do in Nuremberg in 1946, what the Israelis did with Eichmann. I am sorry but I think that he should have been tried for mass murder in a civilized court with evidence and found guilty that way. This way, we are just simply retaliating his actions and that never leads to good things. just my thoughts

Yes, because he put his gun down and surrendered.

According to this
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binla...

there wasnt even an intention to capture him and that is my point.

You're so naive that it almost pains me.

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/2/11

If he owed taxes, the IRS would have nailed him years ago.

5/2/11
blastoise:

If he owed taxes, the IRS would have nailed him years ago.

Word, that's true lol.

Still I Rise

5/2/11

Fuck all the differences amongst us, Tonight we all are Americans, one nation.

We need to get out mojo back as a country.

5/2/11

Brilliant news but will probably lead to a greater threat in coming days

5/2/11

~40 special forces navy seals

black hawks and anooks(sp) in Afghanistan

Pakistanis didn't help they got no details of the operation etc

-fox news lady

5/2/11
blastoise:

~40 special forces navy seals

black hawks and anooks(sp) in Afghanistan

Pakistanis didn't help they got no details of the operation etc

-fox news lady

the last line made the other 3 irrelevant

5/2/11
djr:
blastoise:

~40 special forces navy seals

black hawks and anooks(sp) in Afghanistan

Pakistanis didn't help they got no details of the operation etc

-fox news lady

the last line made the other 3 irrelevant

Yup, you're a retard.

5/2/11

"He who kills a single soul is as if he killed an entire people"-Holy Quran

I bet he thinks he's going to heaven ...

Greed is Good.

5/2/11
konig:

"He who kills a single soul is as if he killed an entire people"-Holy Quran

I bet he thinks he's going to heaven ...

"He who tries to kill an entire people doesn't have a fucking soul." -Nouveau Richie

5/2/11
konig:

"He who kills a single soul is as if he killed an entire people"-Holy Quran

I bet he thinks he's going to heaven ...

Actually, I bet he isn't thinking at all ever since the bullet went through his brain.

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

5/2/11

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/2/11

during the press conference obama only said a few words here is a clip of it

5/2/11

This will become the new #1 commented thread on WSO!

"Look, you're my best friend, so don't take this the wrong way. In twenty years, if you're still livin' here, comin' over to my house to watch the Patriots games, still workin' construction, I'll fuckin' kill you. That's not a threat, that's a fact.

5/2/11

just got back from the white house; it was insane. so many people. what a great night

5/2/11

good, let's hope we go after zawahiri next.

osama's dead...but al qaeda's not. nor is instability in the middle east. nor an unstable pakistan and a messy afghanistan. don't even get me started on iraq.

osama was just another two-bit extremist billionaire propped up by saudi wahaabi ideology...oh and we're they're #1 oil importer.

the death of osama will change ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about (failed) U.S. foreign policy in the middle east. the national security state and permanent war economy have become their own monsters.

cynical judgments aside, finally justice for all the americans who perished on 9/11, and props to the men and women in the military, combat forces and intel officers alike.

i feel bad for those of you who are so tunnel visioned that you're able to turn this into yet another dem. vs rep, obama vs bush shouting match.

5/2/11

Omg that 'he's dead' gif is hilarious

5/2/11

"osama was just another two-bit extremist billionaire propped up by saudi wahaabi ideology...oh and we're they're #1 oil importer." - jj1188

sorry, but can you get any dumber?

1) Osama Bin Laden is one of the many,many heirs (approximately 88) to Mohammad Awad Bin Laden's fortune, the Bin Laden Group and many other assets around the world. He IS NOT a billionaire. Rich, yes. But not a billionaire.

2) "Propped up by saudi wahaabi ideology"...uh,NO. The U.S. (which was too pussy to fight the soviet union directly, under the excuse of not wanting to risk nuclear war) set up a scheme with Saudi Arabia where they would recruit volunteers who would go and fight against the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan. Malaysia, Indonesia, the UAE, and Singapore also had similar "programs". In fact, US NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR Zbigniew Brzezinski actually flew to Pakistan where on the Afghan border near the Khyber pass, he motivated the local muhajhideen: "We know of their deep belief in God, and we are confident their struggle will succeed. That land over there is yours, you'll go back to it one day because your fight will prevail, and you'll have your homes and your mosques back again. Because your cause is right and God is on your side.".

The United States of America directly funded, trained, and armed the mujahideen,Al-QAEDA, and other groups to fight the soviets. I and my 25 million fellow citizens would really appreciate it if you stopped dumping your shitty mistakes on us. Thanks.

. The OBL plan backfired when the US built bases in Saudi Arabia,causing Osama to light up in rage and promise "hell" (King Fahd proffered the US lead the defence of Saudi borders instead of Osama Bin Laden and his large group, understandably).

3) You are so ignorant. China is our #1 importer, and that's according to your very own Energy Secretary, Steven Chu. Stop thinking of yourself as the best in the world...that was over with a long time ago.

Greed is Good.

5/2/11

Blastoise's gif is ridiculously hilarious lol. Had me laughing for hours man.

Still I Rise

5/2/11

If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses - Henry Ford

5/2/11

It sounds quite weird. I dont wanna be skeptical but why would the US kind of bury the corpse just after killing him? There's no photos of him dead, no autopsy nothing to really give credit to this attack. What if Bin Laden just died from his kidney failure something like three years ago and today was the most appropriate day, for X reasons, to reveal such information?

5/2/11
Scratchy:

It sounds quite weird. I dont wanna be skeptical but why would the US kind of bury the corpse just after killing him? There's no photos of him dead, no autopsy nothing to really give credit to this attack. What if Bin Laden just died from his kidney failure something like three years ago and today was the most appropriate day, for X reasons, to reveal such information?

DNA testing is underway with the remains of Osama's sister who died in Boston. The pics circulating the web currently are fake, but I read that a Gov. spokesman said that there are actually real pics and they are not sure if they are going to release them.

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

5/2/11
Scratchy:

It sounds quite weird. I dont wanna be skeptical but why would the US kind of bury the corpse just after killing him? There's no photos of him dead, no autopsy nothing to really give credit to this attack. What if Bin Laden just died from his kidney failure something like three years ago and today was the most appropriate day, for X reasons, to reveal such information?

What is this? I don't even...

I guess it's part of his religion to bury the body within 24 hours... and I'm sure they did do at least a minor autopsy, they at least did DNA testing. I'm sure it's not going to take an insanely smart dr. to tell us that Osama probably died because of that huge bullet in his head.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough.

"There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.

5/2/11

What was the US supposed to do with the corpse instead of dumping it in the sea? Parade it through downtown NYC? Bury it with military honours? Keep it in cryogenic storage so we could pull it for skeptical journalists?

5/2/11

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!

5/2/11
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5/2/11

This is a great example of the kind of work the CIA 2.0 (the one with teeth) can do. Seems like a lot of people are confused about our President's strategy in the war on terror. Starting in 2009 the gloves came off, the CIA which had already shifted to a more direct action shop was given a ton more DoD assets and a mandate (fueled by an additional one billion dollar annual payment to Pakistan) to increase the drone operational temp and put operators on the ground in Pakistan. While I agree that this strategic shift was formulated over a period of years, Obama deserves a lot of credit for saying "yes," because Bush didn't do that. 2003-2008 there was a ton more focus on stabilizing Iraq. As someone who has served as an infantry officer in both theaters during those years I can say that matches my experience in how resources were allocated. I can also remember some truly miserable times in Khost freezing my balls off looking in every rocky crevice for this asshole. You can't begin to understand how angry it makes me that he was living in some Pakistani version of a McMansion surrounded by 3 regiments of the Pakistani army and the Pakistani West Point (yes, I resent the comparison). The Pakistani's of course had been saying for years that he was either not in Pakistan or dead.

So in conclusion:

1) Bush didn't make killing bin Laden a top priority
2) Obama made killing bin Laden a top priority
3) The Pakistani's are slimy pieces of shit that lied to us and likely harbored this guy for years
4) chpbravo, shouldn't you change you avatar to some booger eating pencil pusher? While I liked getting my (mostly shitty and wrong) intel briefings as much as the next grunt and thank you for your service, but you should probably give the "I fought for your freedom and made sacrifices!" diatribe a rest given that you probably can count the number of times you were outside the wire on one hand.

5/2/11
Aggravate:

4) chpbravo, shouldn't you change you avatar to some booger eating pencil pusher? While I liked getting my (mostly shitty and wrong) intel briefings as much as the next grunt and thank you for your service, but you should probably give the "I fought for your freedom and made sacrifices!" diatribe a rest given that you probably can count the number of times you were outside the wire on one hand.

Thank you for turning over all those rocks and please tell describe to me what everything looked like. I have never even seen the sunlight in Iraq because I just huddled inside my TOC and never went outside the wire. Thanks for revealing my deepest, darkest secret everyone on WSO, now I won't even get half the respect I did before...which wasn't much to begin with.

And yes, you are much better than me...and the rest of the Army as well. We should actually think about getting rid of any and all support units since they don't contribute anything, we can just have a bunch of grunts...then we would be much better off.

As far as my shitty Intel briefs, unless you worked at CENTCOM or INSCOM or were part of CFLCC, CJTF7 or the 82nd Airbone, you haven't seen shit from me.

Alas, I am just an Army pog, I've done nothing, have seen nothing and contributed nothing.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
cphbravo96:
Aggravate:

4) chpbravo, shouldn't you change you avatar to some booger eating pencil pusher? While I liked getting my (mostly shitty and wrong) intel briefings as much as the next grunt and thank you for your service, but you should probably give the "I fought for your freedom and made sacrifices!" diatribe a rest given that you probably can count the number of times you were outside the wire on one hand.

Thank you for turning over all those rocks and please tell describe to me what everything looked like. I have never even seen the sunlight in Iraq because I just huddled inside my TOC and never went outside the wire. Thanks for revealing my deepest, darkest secret everyone on WSO, now I won't even get half the respect I did before...which wasn't much to begin with.

And yes, you are much better than me...and the rest of the Army as well. We should actually think about getting rid of any and all support units since they don't contribute anything, we can just have a bunch of grunts...then we would be much better off.

As far as my shitty Intel briefs, unless you worked at CENTCOM or INSCOM or were part of CFLCC, CJTF7 or the 82nd Airbone, you haven't seen shit from me.

Alas, I am just an Army pog, I've done nothing, have seen nothing and contributed nothing.

Regards

FO > BO, u jelly?

5/2/11
Tracer:
cphbravo96:
Aggravate:

4) chpbravo, shouldn't you change you avatar to some booger eating pencil pusher? While I liked getting my (mostly shitty and wrong) intel briefings as much as the next grunt and thank you for your service, but you should probably give the "I fought for your freedom and made sacrifices!" diatribe a rest given that you probably can count the number of times you were outside the wire on one hand.

Thank you for turning over all those rocks and please tell describe to me what everything looked like. I have never even seen the sunlight in Iraq because I just huddled inside my TOC and never went outside the wire. Thanks for revealing my deepest, darkest secret everyone on WSO, now I won't even get half the respect I did before...which wasn't much to begin with.

And yes, you are much better than me...and the rest of the Army as well. We should actually think about getting rid of any and all support units since they don't contribute anything, we can just have a bunch of grunts...then we would be much better off.

As far as my shitty Intel briefs, unless you worked at CENTCOM or INSCOM or were part of CFLCC, CJTF7 or the 82nd Airbone, you haven't seen shit from me.

Alas, I am just an Army pog, I've done nothing, have seen nothing and contributed nothing.

Regards

FO > BO, u jelly?

No, I am not jelly.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan

5/2/11
Tracer:
cphbravo96:
Aggravate:

4) chpbravo, shouldn't you change you avatar to some booger eating pencil pusher? While I liked getting my (mostly shitty and wrong) intel briefings as much as the next grunt and thank you for your service, but you should probably give the "I fought for your freedom and made sacrifices!" diatribe a rest given that you probably can count the number of times you were outside the wire on one hand.

Thank you for turning over all those rocks and please tell describe to me what everything looked like. I have never even seen the sunlight in Iraq because I just huddled inside my TOC and never went outside the wire. Thanks for revealing my deepest, darkest secret everyone on WSO, now I won't even get half the respect I did before...which wasn't much to begin with.

And yes, you are much better than me...and the rest of the Army as well. We should actually think about getting rid of any and all support units since they don't contribute anything, we can just have a bunch of grunts...then we would be much better off.

As far as my shitty Intel briefs, unless you worked at CENTCOM or INSCOM or were part of CFLCC, CJTF7 or the 82nd Airbone, you haven't seen shit from me.

Alas, I am just an Army pog, I've done nothing, have seen nothing and contributed nothing.

Regards

FO > BO, u jelly?

lol that made me laugh a lot

5/2/11
loki276:
Tracer:

FO > BO, u jelly?

lol that made me laugh a lot

Definitely was having fun with that one. Apparently 2 people, or 1 person with 2 accounts, don't have a sense of humor.

5/2/11
Aggravate:

4) chpbravo, shouldn't you change you avatar to some booger eating pencil pusher? While I liked getting my (mostly shitty and wrong) intel briefings as much as the next grunt and thank you for your service, but you should probably give the "I fought for your freedom and made sacrifices!" diatribe a rest given that you probably can count the number of times you were outside the wire on one hand.

+1

I am not cocky, I am confident, and when you tell me I am the best it is a compliment.
-Styles P

5/2/11

Pics or it didn't happen (like a plane hitting the pentagon on 9/11)...

5/2/11

u mad bro?

5/2/11

Bush on Bin Laden:

But, yeah, let's gloss over the Obama administration's shift in strategy which actually got the guy.

I find it hysterical that people are praising Bush for freeing the Iraqi people when we didn't even go into Iraq under those pretenses. We went in because of WMDs. When there were none, we moved the goalposts to fulfilling a neocon dream of nation building in the middle east. By doing so, we stretched our military thin and diverted resources away from the War on Terror and capturing / killing Osama Bin Laden to repairing a country that was destroyed by our own doing. I'm not saying that the Iraqi people being free is a bad thing, but I am saying that I believe that strategic, targeted uses of military force for the war on terror are a helluva lot better than sending 4,000 US troops to die for Iraqi freedom and claiming that you don't care or think about the leader of the terrorist organization that was responsible for the attacks on 9/11.

5/2/11

My thoughts:

1) Foremost, huge props to our military and special forces. It wasn't an invasion force that got this done, it was a handful of elite American soldiers who did it in a matter of minutes with no casualties. And props to the hundreds more of intelligence officers that supported them. This is on par with the greatest special forces missions ever conducted. This is why they should fear us, not because we have a thinly-spread, under-manned land force stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

2) This is definitely a victory for Obama, not Bush. I am not an Obama fan and if this contributes to his re-election, so be it. We'll debate that all later. For now, as Commander-in-Chief, he made sure that adequate resources were still being dedicated to finding and killing that son of a bitch - when I'm sure that some of his advisers were probably telling him that, after 10 years, this would be more symbolic than anything and that resources would better be spent elsewhere.

3) BURIAL AT SEA??? WHAT THE FUCK?? I want to see a picture of the bastard's dead body. This man who planned the "greatest" terrorist attack in history and evaded one of the best intelligence services in the world for nearly 10 years - I want to see a picture of the guy's bloodied and battered body, so that everyone can see just how human he is and that we fukin killed him. If they don't release pictures, that's a huge tactical mistake in my mind - Americans deserve to see for themselves.

5/2/11
HireUp212:

3) BURIAL AT SEA??? WHAT THE FUCK?? I want to see a picture of the bastard's dead body. This man who planned the "greatest" terrorist attack in history and evaded one of the best intelligence services in the world for nearly 10 years - I want to see a picture of the guy's bloodied and battered body, so that everyone can see just how human he is and that we fukin killed him. If they don't release pictures, that's a huge tactical mistake in my mind - Americans deserve to see for themselves.

There are pictures, they just haven't decided if it will be useful to release them or not. On the one hand, it would obviously please all of us. On the other hand, they could be used to inflame muslim passions, particularly if his body was violated (ie Pablo Escobar, who had his mustache trimmed to a Hitler look in a Hitler look). I'd love to print out a picture of Osama's corpse so I can piss on it, but not if that means US soldiers are going to die

5/2/11

And risk creating a thousand more bin ladens brilliant idea mate

5/2/11

Dumping his body was the best solution. If the body had been brought to the U.S. the location would have undoubtedly become a shrine for terrorists.

24 SEALs from SEAL Team Six = incredible.

5/2/11
kingtut:

Dumping his body was the best solution. If the body had been brought to the U.S. the location would have undoubtedly become a shrine for terrorists.

24 SEALs from SEAL Team Six = incredible.

Explain how a grave in the United States would become a shrine for terrorists from the Middle East...

Unless half his face was blown off by the bullets (which is actually a real possibility), they should release the pictures. The celebration and closure that this would bring to millions is worth the incremental retaliatory risk - and I say incremental because I don't see how releasing the pictures by themselves would prompt more retaliation than just the news of his death. I think Navy SEALS were disciplined enough to not dismember the body after the mission they had just carried out.

5/2/11

I would not have wanted his body brought on US soil much less buried here ^^^. I'm sure pictures will be released at some point. Someone videotaped the execution of Saddam so I would imagine that snapping a picture of Osama would not have been too difficult.

I doubt that the SEALs did anything to the body. After all the gun fire ceased they probably stood around his body and were just like "Holy shit, we just killed Osama Bin Laden"

5/2/11

WOOOW, whatever guy on the SEAL team that hauled Bin Laden's sorry carcass back to the helicopter the mother of all trophies.

Thank God he's dead.

Now, maybe we can get back to the business of building a better world.

Get busy living

5/2/11

Interesting. From China, so take it with a grain of salt....
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-0...

5/2/11
Nobama88:

Interesting. From China, so take it with a grain of salt....
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-0...

Assume it's a translation error or typical lack of understanding between the Chinese and English functions of the website. All the major media in China are reporting it as it's been reported here (i.e. US SEALS got him in a firefight).

5/2/11

Seriously, the most wanted criminal on earth was killed at quite an opportune time for Obama, and they won't release one picture to prove it? Call me a conspiracy theorist, but that's BS. And I don't buy any explanation that it might anger terrorist. Cause it's not like we're already doing that by invading every country in the middle east. Gimme a freakin break.

5/2/11

I don't get what's so special about those SEALs its not like it was a tough job compared what the whole army does in afganistan.

If you're looking for a hero, how bout the US and the entire population that had to sacrifice so much for this mission of 10 years, regardless of every individuals political affiliation. The US paid one of the highes prices ever to get him and futile or not, americans can congratulate themselves if not on success than on endurance. Not giving up made the US what it is.

5/2/11
thor1000:

I don't get what's so special about those SEALs its not like it was a tough job compared what the whole army does in afganistan.

If you're looking for a hero, how bout the US and the entire population that had to sacrifice so much for this mission of 10 years, regardless of every individuals political affiliation. The US paid one of the highes prices ever to get him and futile or not, americans can congratulate themselves if not on success than on endurance. Not giving up made the US what it is.

I mean, I'm not a particularly humble person, but I think this is ridiculous. What exactly have I had to sacrifice over the last ten years? Did getting my nuts felt up at airports help catch Osama? Did the cost of the CIA represent a massive part of my pay?

There are people who sacrificed in order that Osama could be killed. I'm not one of them, and I'm not willing to pretend that I am.

5/2/11
thor1000:

I don't get what's so special about those SEALs its not like it was a tough job compared what the whole army does in afganistan..

Are you looking to have monkey shit thrown at you. You clearly are not versed in the history of our military. Those SEALs, as you called them, have trained their entire lives for a moment like this. Next time there's a world figure head that needs to be killed I guess you can raise your hand because it's so easy.

I would never belittle any arm of our military, but there is a distinct difference between the special forces (i.e. SEALs, DF, and FR) and the regular Army.

5/3/11
kingtut:
thor1000:

I don't get what's so special about those SEALs its not like it was a tough job compared what the whole army does in afganistan..

Are you looking to have monkey shit thrown at you. You clearly are not versed in the history of our military. Those SEALs, as you called them, have trained their entire lives for a moment like this. Next time there's a world figure head that needs to be killed I guess you can raise your hand because it's so easy.

I would never belittle any arm of our military, but there is a distinct difference between the special forces (i.e. SEALs, DF, and FR) and the regular Army.

What's history got to do with it? Fine they're awesome, it's not like I'm going to convince you to get over personifying achievements.

5/2/11

I hope you realize the significance of this right? Special forces killed bin laden but obama will undoubtedly get credit as it happened under his watch. Now, I am 100% sure Obama will win a 2nd mandate. Osama's death will be Obama's ticket for a 2nd term in the White House. I feel sorry for any republicans who will compete against him as they won't stand a chance.

5/2/11

How about US losing support internationally? didn't help catch osama but it was a price and your nuts would have been felt up regardless of osama-hunt. How about that the spending in the early 2000's partially contributed to the debt problem now?

5/2/11
thor1000:

How about US losing support internationally? didn't help catch osama but it was a price and your nuts would have been felt up regardless of osama-hunt. How about that the spending in the early 2000's partially contributed to the debt problem now?

The US lost support internationally because we wanted to kill the most wanted man in the world, who had launched attacks on the US and countless other countries? That is news to me.

The cost of killing him contributed to our debt problem? The US intelligence budget is about $44bn a year(1). Even if ALL of that were spent on tracking down Osama for the past ten years, that is a total cost of $440bn, or under 3% of the national debt, and about $1200 for me personally. I spent almost that much on alcohol and cigars to celebrate his death.

Stop being an idiot.

(1) http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/08/politics/08budge...

5/2/11

The Seal Team that took him down are definitely getting into HBS next year. What a bullet point on a resume:

  • Lead a special assault team that took down Osama Bin Laden and saved the world
5/2/11
Clarkey:

The Seal Team that took him down are definitely getting into HBS next year. What a bullet point on a resume:

  • Lead a special assault team that took down Osama Bin Laden and saved the world

and will be working in S&T at GS and MS

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger

5/2/11

This doesn't make sense, why did the U.S. buried Osama Bin Laden at sea within 24 hours 400 miles away at Islambad? When Saddam Hussein was extradited to Iraq and hanged in public.

5/2/11
starwin:

This doesn't make sense, why did the U.S. buried Osama Bin Laden at sea within 24 hours 400 miles away at Islambad? When Saddam Hussein was extradited to Iraq and hanged in public.

We'll probably never know the exact details but I doubt they've actually done that. Most probably they released this info to appease Muslims as in their tradition a dead body must be buried within 24 hrs. Personally, I don't think the Government has disposed of his body yet.

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