Career Guidance --- Ops to Strat/Deals?

- Engineering PhD from Oxbridge
- Never made it to MBB first rounds (likely A-Levels too low), most T2s didn't invite me to interview, but of those that did I was rejected after final round
- I have two consulting offers: one is a boutique TMT consultancy, the other is a reputable operational manufacturing consultancy
- I'm still in the running with two T2 firms… their process is frozen until the new year

The operational firm is more prestigious and I'm hedging more towards that---pay/progression is stronger (+£10k), colleagues are all Oxbridge/MIT/very switched on---downside is the travel (Mon-Thurs client site) and it's ops/implementation. It could honestly be very fun for a year though.

The TMT boutique does strat/M&A/ops but isn't that prestigious, and the employees seem like a very mixed bag in terms of competency/ability.

Ultimately, I want to get to strategy/deals/M&A, I genuinely think I'd enjoy this work a lot; but also want to open up IB/PE/strategy exits as potential career options. 

What's the play to be made here? Work for one year at one of these firms and look for a lateral move to a T2/MBB? I have enough work-experience built up to be considered either an 'experienced' or 'grad' hire (seconded to various companies during PhD): what would be best to do here?

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At Bain London we have a good few people from boutiques (actually not a crazy number from T2s, except S&). Granted it's not like for like, but my point is that it should not prevent a lateral move 1-2 years from now.

That being said, I'd pick Strat over Ops, both for lateralling later & given your goals. Ops experience really is more valuable (I think) if you actually work as an operator (ie not a consultant, lawyer, doctor, or finance/audit person), so say Marketing/Product/Logistics at Unilvever/Vodafone/Danone/Other.

Having a PhD is not a bad thing, although to be honest at Bain London there is no reward for having one, speaking from experience (unlike BCG / McK, in case that's a factor). For the future, Id make sure to build up your case interview skills (when you try again you will have to case again and it is a weird skill that needs to be maintained) and to work on making your resume as punchy and outcome-oriented as possible.

Finally a word of caution: Im not sure how you're assessing the "mixed bag on competency/ability" given you haven't worked there yet. I hope this isn't just based on judging their universities on LinkedIn. People will surprise you. Of the highest performers in my office, I don't think a single one of them is Oxbridge.

In any case, best of luck to you! Happy to answer more questions about Bain London or transitioning to consulting from doing a PhD.

 

Thanks! It's not an easy decision to make, to be honest. In terms of building up experience to move on from, the TMT is the obvious choice. In terms of choosing a company I'd be happy with for the next few years (pay/progression/exits to industry), it's the Ops firm.

After all of the prep I did, I'm sort of salty that many firms didn't even take me to first round. Many, after networking/having CV vetted by MBB consultants. Ultimately, I don't have consulting/financial internship(s), and I think this let me down.

One thing that could help soften the blow: what're typical MBB intake sizes for London? I can work the rest out from there (given current market conditions, etc).

 
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Prep

  • I hear you, that sucks. Hopefully goes better next time
  • My 2nd most common recommendation after CV-related stuff is to not underestimate the online tests. They're not very difficult, but it's also easy to make small mistake that pile on, and all three firms can afford to discriminate quite a lot on that basis alone
  • Best of luck for next time, I also know many people here who had no specific internship or Oxbridge on their resume, who got in (and with no assists elsewhere). So I hope that brings you some confidence for the future

Typical MBB intake sizes for London

  • Ours vary a bit. For context we're roughly 1.2-1.3k in London (with about ~800 consulting staff) while BCG and McK are both bigger. What I say below only applies for Bain
  • In a normal year
    • We have 3-4 intake classes for ACs/SACs (Same-ish for Cons), with a mix of new grads & experienced hires
    • Averages do not make sense for us as we have grown a LOT in the last 3-4 years, so intake cohorts have grown accordingly
    • That being said, 2022 we had ~4 AC/SAC cohorts of about 15-35 each (Con cohorts were a bit smaller)
  • This year was indeed a ton slower
    • We still had 3-4 new cohorts join us, but much smaller, from 5 to 15 roughly, a lot of them being deffered offers too, so hard to get a proper view of 2023 applicants only
    • We did have a mix of new grads & experienced hires
  • Next year should (hopefully) get better, so we'll see. We also need to calm down a little after the crazy hiring spree we went through in 2020-2022. So hard to say what an avg cohort will be moving forward

Best of luck

 

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