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Loafers are hideous Black suits Suits with thick stripes Thick tie knots
BUSINESS CASUAL EDITION why can none of you buy a pair of jeans that fucking fit
Are you anti ALL loafers? Also, black suits seem only appropriate for funerals.
In 2019 not a single person in high Finance where’s a black suit. It is known etiquette that blue is the ONLY color we wear.
What about gray?
Charcoal grey
*wears.
by thick tie knots do you mean double windsor? I can't imagine going for 4-in-hand.. its so unaesthetic!
Depends on the tie: my Hermès/Ferragammo silk ties can take a double Windsor without bulking up, but I'd never try one with something made of a heavier fabric or with a bulky liner.
That's the charm of the four in hand. It's rakishly askew.
Loafers are hideous -- with a suit. But for business casual, they are entirely appropriate and IMO good looking to boot.
Nah they’re just fancy crocs
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25707545/the-struggle-real-why-hocke…</a">the struggle is real
What about black blazers paired with a black pencil skirt or black blazers alone paired with dresses of varying colors for women? I see most male bankers at campus recruiting events wearing the navy suits, but it's really common for the women to be wearing black blazers and/or black skirts.
Women have a different rulebook that I won’t even pretend to know well.
Ferragamo loafers. As tacky and tasteless as can be.
!!!
Bulky ass clogs.
Loafers (in a professional environment, in a casual one they are fine), black suits (funerals aside obviously), and those stupid ties that are straight at the bottom.
I also wish people would stop wearing brown shoes in cities, especially in the office. They do look good with grey or blue suits but they're not professional.
Not for business but you don’t think knit ties (ties straight at the bottom) are good outside finance perhaps?
That's the word, knit ties, thank you.
I'm afraid I don't like the style anywhere and the few people I've met who have worn them, I didn't get on particularly well with, although I can't blame the tie on that one.
I, for one, love wearing loafers. Ferragamo preferable.
Damn, I have 2 pairs of the same brown Ferragamo loafers. They are the only ones wide enough for my feet.![]()
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I rock brown sometimes, mostly with my lightest suits when it's warmer, the no brown in town thing doesn't really apply anymore unless you're suuuuuuper old school. I can see how in the south it doesn't really matter when you've got RE and big law hardos wearing seersucker. a tailored suit with tasteful brown shoes doesn't look out of place. in other climates where it's usually cloudy, I doubt you'll see too many bourbon colored wingtips in canary wharf
I have a pair of brown oxford churches under my desk in Canary Wharf, they mostly collect dust but put them on occasionally when things are relaxed in summer.
It took me a while to jump into browns for work, but working in Europe, you get quite dashing examples of fashionable and professional combination of neat (mostly plain and uni) suits and brown shoes, mostly from Italians/Spanish. Nowadays, i mostly go for brown, gray/blue uni suit, white/blue shirt, no tie, if the setting is not too formal. Caveat,, one needs to be mindful of the situation (meetings with certain investors/clients, regulators) and dress accordingly, but this applies to most situations in life and is not news.
I wear my blue and read ones to the office.
patagonia vests (sorry finmeme accts). as a fratboy from the south, the popularity of these surprised me a great deal. I used to only see these at oyster roasts and hunting/conservation fundraisers, usually with a flannel or brooks brothers (the other BB) underneath
aggressive undercuts (super short on side, long on top, likely with enough pomade to give a katrina waterfowl PTSD)
highwater pants
talking about your loafers. I love the classic bit loafer and there's nothing wrong with a plain black pair, but when you start calling them DEAL SLEDS in a non-ironic way, I know you've likely never closed anything and are trying way too hard to fit in.
Seconded on the Patagonia vests. I don't get the ubiquity of these things. Everyone in my office got some free company swag at Thanksgiving, one item was a Patagonia vest - it is a piece of shit that ppl pay over $100 for.
Third the patagonia vests, they're f*cking everywhere. When did this even become a thing?
Fratagonia vests are pretty standard in southern cities these days too
Cracks me up how many people wear the vests all day inside the office.
in their defense, vests are a great cover up for man boobs and a distraction from the much hated FUPA
Biggest offender: blue shirt / white collar
what you hating on Bob Kraft & Pete Najarian for, boy?
In all seriousness though, I actually really dig the blue with the white collar.
How about blue shirt/white cutaway collar? ;-)
Annual report photo of Citigroup Asia CEO Francisco Aristeguieta
(more info from what I learned from annual report photos https://www.wardrobeessentialist.com/post/dress-for-the-destination-you…</a">here )
I'm distracted by the peak rivalling K2 between the scrub on the sides of his head
just buzz that shit off bro
Bold MD photos are their best!
As someone whose hair grows in the same way. I just got to say that it's time. Get rid of it. That saddens me seeing people hold on for dear life.
These only work if it's very light blue and the tie is mellow, and it's done when NOT a busy time. Kind of a playful throwback to add some flavor. But that's it. This can't ever be taken seriously again. And for the love of god spread collar only but NOT the aggressive super cutaway.
The loud dark blue / brilliant white, with obnoxious power tool tie and point collar....yeah that look is DEAD. Right up there with peak lapel.
+1, looks absolutely terrible
I recently saw a blue shirt with LIGHTER blue cuffs and collar. Simply atrocious.
Don’t know why all the MS. I hate the trend if wearing shoes with suits...biggest violators are on ESPN!
Not gonna lie, pretty hard to trudge in dress shoes in Chicago winters, and you don't really want to have to wear dress boots all the time.
Cant one just leave the shoes in the office and wear boots or just get galoshes/shoe covers?
I agree that I look like a slap dick wearing ASICS with my suit in the morning, but walking 2 miles each way in dress shoes usually results in bloody feet. Just got a pair of Jordan’s though, maybe that will look more hip...
Get your fucking work done and dress like a clown. You guys overcomplicate everything here.
Statement socks jfc just wear normal socks
I feel like statement socks are ok for junior employees, analysts and maybe 1st-year associates. If you're reaching senior associate/VP, you look like a goofball wearing them. It reminds your superiors that you're still a little kid barely out of college.
They always look tacky, and the people that wear them are usually really lame and trying to come across as cool.
People who don't match the color of their belt with shoes. Saw a guy in the office with black shoes and a light brown belt. It was like a sunlight from far away. Seriously?
That's not "finance fashion" that's "not knowing fashion at all"
I don't even wear belt
In case you guys are not already familiar with Midtown Uniform, see the link below, a hilarious roasting of Wall Street vest culture:
https://www.instagram.com/midtownuniform/?hl=en
Great link, demonstrating that humans are pack animals ;-)
God I love those vests.
The lack of jeans and sweatshirts.
I love dressing up in a suit but maybe only 5 or 6 times a year not every-single-day.
While I understand it is "corporate culture" to wear a suit in high finance I think it is ridiculous. Only the people who are talking to clients should be in suits. The monkeys in the office should be allowed to wear jeans and sweatshirts.
I understand I will get a bunch of monkey shit from people who have been brainwashed into believing they are important because they wear a suit. But so be it.
In my opinion, suits and formal wear in general help to enforce a certain culture and level of professionalism at work whether you're seeing clients or not.
By your same logic, why not take it a step further with sweatpants and pajamas to the office. Whatever is comfortable right?
Also, just as a side note. I've worn suits long enough that I feel just as comfortable in them as anything else. It grows on you after a while and doesn't feel stiff and formal anymore.
your opinion is really good as well but I suggest you check summer seasonal fashion at a ustradeent site there is very classy apparel on a very discounted price.
I think it's less of a brainwashing and more of a culture and psychology. John T Molloy (look him up) writes a column on this and specifically addresses business casual versus sloppy dress like hoodies and ripped jeans (google dress for success column).
if I can quickly summarize, if you want to be taken seriously (by clients, bosses, colleagues), you need to take yourself seriously, and that means your appearance. maybe for you that means wearing jeans and a t shirt that's a nice fabric, not too tight, not too loose, and def not wrinkled. maybe that means a suit, but whatever it means, it means you have to be neat.
many of my clients work at large tech companies and I find myself going to their offices on occasion. even the ones who wear untucked shirts, jeans, or even more casual are always dressed neatly.
until our psychology changes, I doubt I'm convincing someone to entrust me with $10mm if I've got a 3 day beard and jeans on.
Belts anything. Makes $180,000 a year, can’t afford to get pants tailored. Get that shit done, and stick to your workouts.
Suspenders get a pass though, for aesthetics only.
Did you really just slam belts??? C'mon, son . . .
What's interesting to me is how there is a direct relationship between the "appropriateness" of a given article of clothing and the degree to which that piece of clothing restricts and binds the wearer.
The most "appropriate" or professional ensemble is a wool suit (flat front, slim fit pants of course) with a cotton shirt, tie, and sleek, Italian / English dress shoes. The shirt and suit restrict movement of the shoulders and chest, the tight pants make deep, diaphragmatic breathing more difficult and compress the genitals, the tie applies a very slight blood choke to the neck, and the shoes bind the feet and make any movement other than standing or sitting more difficult.
Clothing becomes less appropriate and more casual as you ease the restrictions and bindings. Add some stretch to the shirt or suit and your ensemble is no longer appropriate for certain business meetings. Remove the suit jacket and tie and you get "business casual". Put on shoes you can move in and comfortable pants and you're now "casual," and probably not allowed into the office.
Funny how it works that way.
Or you could not wear anything at all and be completely unrestricted. STICK IT TO THE MAN!
The need to be clean-shaven in lower level positions. It obviously varies from group to group but I don't think any man in 2019 should have to have a smooth babyface everyday. Stubble and short beards should be more acceptable.
"deal sleds" I think that most of them look like absolute shit. Oxfords are the way to go imo.
All the homo Bateman wannabes who give a particular shit about fashion
Everything one sees in Dallas
1) skinny little boy suits 2) slim men tote bags 3) prancing in loafers no socks 4) pocket squares 5) mini-flower lapel pins and other lapel flare
I think most people wear naked socks with loafers. Hopefully nobody is running around without socks.
That patagucci Intern / Analyst look.
Bonus points if: - Dull and worn loafers - Baggy chinos - Sloppy shirt that needs ironing
I'm also a firm believer that if you're young and gonna use bit-loafers in a business setting, at least go for some with a sleeker last. Those rounded and timeless 1953 Gucci loafers look decent on 60-year old dudes, but not on guy in their 20's in a office uniform.
Go for Gucci Jordaan, Ferragamo Benford, or similar styled loafers.
Suspenders: is became a popular accessory over jeans, in fluoro green, pinks, and other wonderful tones.
Pretty much everything.
I train for crossfit, and whenever I beef up my workout for like 2 weeks, none of my shirts, pants or even jacket would fit.
Hate dress shoes as well especially those with hard heels. How can you run in those whenever you have to?
Feel my rigid attire is a big productivity killer.
Never fails that in virtually every year's of summer interns/associates/analysts, you'll spot someone or several someones who've kept the design maker label on their suit sleeve and/or hasn't freed the jacket's back vent.
Also often see younger guys forgetting to free the vent on the back of their car coats/pea coats, etc., come fall and winter.
Let them know, they are just children!
That is just bad fashion. Period!
It's not about the clothes you wear, it's about how you wear them. The worst part: The Pussyfication
Black Suits. Black, meaning completely black.
Then, I am not a fan of Pinstripe but it is a personal thing.
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