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Jan 1, 2019 - 1:01pm
TallWhenStandingOnWallet, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Are you anti ALL loafers? Also, black suits seem only appropriate for funerals.

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Jan 2, 2019 - 3:34pm
Bumblebtuna_analyst, what's your opinion? Comment below:

In 2019 not a single person in high Finance where's a black suit. It is known etiquette that blue is the ONLY color we wear.

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Jan 3, 2019 - 7:36pm
Pierogi Equities, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What about gray?

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Jan 4, 2019 - 6:35am
alasdihsduasdguasduadsys, what's your opinion? Comment below:

by thick tie knots do you mean double windsor? I can't imagine going for 4-in-hand.. its so unaesthetic!

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Jan 4, 2019 - 12:53pm
WardrobeEssentialist, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Depends on the tie: my Hermès/Ferragammo silk ties can take a double Windsor without bulking up, but I'd never try one with something made of a heavier fabric or with a bulky liner.

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Oct 3, 2019 - 6:38am
Hayek, what's your opinion? Comment below:

That's the charm of the four in hand. It's rakishly askew.

Jan 13, 2019 - 3:11am
RegretMyJob, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What about black blazers paired with a black pencil skirt or black blazers alone paired with dresses of varying colors for women? I see most male bankers at campus recruiting events wearing the navy suits, but it's really common for the women to be wearing black blazers and/or black skirts.

Jan 2, 2019 - 11:04am
Whyphy, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Loafers (in a professional environment, in a casual one they are fine), black suits (funerals aside obviously), and those stupid ties that are straight at the bottom.

I also wish people would stop wearing brown shoes in cities, especially in the office. They do look good with grey or blue suits but they're not professional.

Jan 4, 2019 - 9:49pm
TallWhenStandingOnWallet, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Not for business but you don't think knit ties (ties straight at the bottom) are good outside finance perhaps?

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Jan 2, 2019 - 3:39pm
thebrofessor, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I rock brown sometimes, mostly with my lightest suits when it's warmer, the no brown in town thing doesn't really apply anymore unless you're suuuuuuper old school. I can see how in the south it doesn't really matter when you've got RE and big law hardos wearing seersucker. a tailored suit with tasteful brown shoes doesn't look out of place. in other climates where it's usually cloudy, I doubt you'll see too many bourbon colored wingtips in canary wharf

Jan 9, 2019 - 2:15am
hungaroe, what's your opinion? Comment below:

It took me a while to jump into browns for work, but working in Europe, you get quite dashing examples of fashionable and professional combination of neat (mostly plain and uni) suits and brown shoes, mostly from Italians/Spanish. Nowadays, i mostly go for brown, gray/blue uni suit, white/blue shirt, no tie, if the setting is not too formal. Caveat,, one needs to be mindful of the situation (meetings with certain investors/clients, regulators) and dress accordingly, but this applies to most situations in life and is not news.

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Jan 2, 2019 - 2:01pm
thebrofessor, what's your opinion? Comment below:
  1. patagonia vests (sorry finmeme accts). as a fratboy from the south, the popularity of these surprised me a great deal. I used to only see these at oyster roasts and hunting/conservation fundraisers, usually with a flannel or brooks brothers (the other BB) underneath

  2. aggressive undercuts (super short on side, long on top, likely with enough pomade to give a katrina waterfowl PTSD)

  3. highwater pants

  4. talking about your loafers. I love the classic bit loafer and there's nothing wrong with a plain black pair, but when you start calling them DEAL SLEDS in a non-ironic way, I know you've likely never closed anything and are trying way too hard to fit in.

Jan 3, 2019 - 6:44pm
BBA18, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Seconded on the Patagonia vests. I don't get the ubiquity of these things. Everyone in my office got some free company swag at Thanksgiving, one item was a Patagonia vest - it is a piece of shit that ppl pay over $100 for.

I come from down in the valley, where mister when you're young, they bring you up to do like your daddy done

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Jan 4, 2019 - 5:07pm
UFOinsider, what's your opinion? Comment below:
BBA18:
Seconded on the Patagonia vests. I don't get the ubiquity of these things. Everyone in my office got some free company swag at Thanksgiving, one item was a Patagonia vest - it is a piece of shit that ppl pay over $100 for.

Third the patagonia vests, they're f*cking everywhere. When did this even become a thing?

Get busy living
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Jan 4, 2019 - 11:20am
CRE, what's your opinion? Comment below:
thebrofessor:
1. patagonia vests (sorry finmeme accts). as a fratboy from the south, the popularity of these surprised me a great deal. I used to only see these at oyster roasts and hunting/conservation fundraisers, usually with a flannel or brooks brothers (the other BB) underneath

Fratagonia vests are pretty standard in southern cities these days too

Commercial Real Estate Developer

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Jan 4, 2019 - 12:56pm
WardrobeEssentialist, what's your opinion? Comment below:

How about blue shirt/white cutaway collar? ;-) Annual report photo of Citigroup Asia CEO Francisco Aristeguieta

(more info from what I learned from annual report photos here )

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Jan 10, 2019 - 11:02pm
LongDay, what's your opinion? Comment below:

As someone whose hair grows in the same way. I just got to say that it's time. Get rid of it. That saddens me seeing people hold on for dear life.

Jan 4, 2019 - 5:06pm
UFOinsider, what's your opinion? Comment below:

These only work if it's very light blue and the tie is mellow, and it's done when NOT a busy time. Kind of a playful throwback to add some flavor. But that's it. This can't ever be taken seriously again. And for the love of god spread collar only but NOT the aggressive super cutaway.

The loud dark blue / brilliant white, with obnoxious power tool tie and point collar....yeah that look is DEAD. Right up there with peak lapel.

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Jan 3, 2019 - 8:29pm
Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I don't like the sneakers-with-work-clothes thing in the morning. I get it, you want to walk to work comfortably. But you're supposedly smart, so find a way to do it without looking like a clown. Plenty of cheap rubber-sole dress shoes that will be comfortable and look normal.

Jan 4, 2019 - 9:52pm
TallWhenStandingOnWallet, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Don't know why all the MS. I hate the trend if wearing shoes with suits...biggest violators are on ESPN!

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Jan 5, 2019 - 12:23pm
Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Gives me a laugh on the subway every morning. You see 95% of people capable of making it to work in work shoes, and for some reason 5% think their lifestyle is so much more functional/active than everyone else's that they need to wear sneakers.

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Jan 8, 2019 - 10:42am
hjohnny, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Not gonna lie, pretty hard to trudge in dress shoes in Chicago winters, and you don't really want to have to wear dress boots all the time.

Jan 8, 2019 - 12:54pm
Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Snow is a different story. I was mainly talking about the New Yorkers who do this year round.

Jan 13, 2019 - 8:52pm
Dr. Rahma Dikhinmahas, what's your opinion? Comment below:

2 miles each way? Taking an Uber might look even more hip than your Jordans.

Jan 4, 2019 - 11:51am
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I feel like statement socks are ok for junior employees, analysts and maybe 1st-year associates. If you're reaching senior associate/VP, you look like a goofball wearing them. It reminds your superiors that you're still a little kid barely out of college.

Jan 4, 2019 - 1:28pm
Pierogi Equities, what's your opinion? Comment below:

They always look tacky, and the people that wear them are usually really lame and trying to come across as cool.

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Jan 4, 2019 - 11:21am
CRE, what's your opinion? Comment below:
seville:
People who don't match the color of their belt with shoes. Saw a guy in the office with black shoes and a light brown belt. It was like a sunlight from far away. Seriously?

That's not "finance fashion" that's "not knowing fashion at all"

Commercial Real Estate Developer

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Jan 4, 2019 - 10:11am
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

In case you guys are not already familiar with Midtown Uniform, see the link below, a hilarious roasting of Wall Street vest culture:

https://www.instagram.com/midtownuniform/?hl=en

Jan 4, 2019 - 1:14pm
WardrobeEssentialist, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Great link, demonstrating that humans are pack animals ;-)

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Jan 5, 2019 - 1:48am
NB574, what's your opinion? Comment below:

The lack of jeans and sweatshirts.

I love dressing up in a suit but maybe only 5 or 6 times a year not every-single-day.

While I understand it is "corporate culture" to wear a suit in high finance I think it is ridiculous. Only the people who are talking to clients should be in suits. The monkeys in the office should be allowed to wear jeans and sweatshirts.

I understand I will get a bunch of monkey shit from people who have been brainwashed into believing they are important because they wear a suit. But so be it.

Jan 5, 2019 - 12:24pm
NoEquityResearch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

In my opinion, suits and formal wear in general help to enforce a certain culture and level of professionalism at work whether you're seeing clients or not.

By your same logic, why not take it a step further with sweatpants and pajamas to the office. Whatever is comfortable right?

Also, just as a side note. I've worn suits long enough that I feel just as comfortable in them as anything else. It grows on you after a while and doesn't feel stiff and formal anymore.

May 27, 2019 - 5:53am
emiliaharington8, what's your opinion? Comment below:

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Jan 7, 2019 - 3:16pm
thebrofessor, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I think it's less of a brainwashing and more of a culture and psychology. John T Molloy (look him up) writes a column on this and specifically addresses business casual versus sloppy dress like hoodies and ripped jeans (google dress for success column).

if I can quickly summarize, if you want to be taken seriously (by clients, bosses, colleagues), you need to take yourself seriously, and that means your appearance. maybe for you that means wearing jeans and a t shirt that's a nice fabric, not too tight, not too loose, and def not wrinkled. maybe that means a suit, but whatever it means, it means you have to be neat.

many of my clients work at large tech companies and I find myself going to their offices on occasion. even the ones who wear untucked shirts, jeans, or even more casual are always dressed neatly.

until our psychology changes, I doubt I'm convincing someone to entrust me with $10mm if I've got a 3 day beard and jeans on.

Jan 7, 2019 - 1:02pm
Jew-ish, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Belts anything. Makes $180,000 a year, can't afford to get pants tailored. Get that shit done, and stick to your workouts.

Suspenders get a pass though, for aesthetics only.

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Jan 11, 2019 - 3:58pm
GoingToBeAnMD, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Did you really just slam belts??? C'mon, son . . .

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Jan 10, 2019 - 7:59pm
labanker, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What's interesting to me is how there is a direct relationship between the "appropriateness" of a given article of clothing and the degree to which that piece of clothing restricts and binds the wearer.

The most "appropriate" or professional ensemble is a wool suit (flat front, slim fit pants of course) with a cotton shirt, tie, and sleek, Italian / English dress shoes. The shirt and suit restrict movement of the shoulders and chest, the tight pants make deep, diaphragmatic breathing more difficult and compress the genitals, the tie applies a very slight blood choke to the neck, and the shoes bind the feet and make any movement other than standing or sitting more difficult.

Clothing becomes less appropriate and more casual as you ease the restrictions and bindings. Add some stretch to the shirt or suit and your ensemble is no longer appropriate for certain business meetings. Remove the suit jacket and tie and you get "business casual". Put on shoes you can move in and comfortable pants and you're now "casual," and probably not allowed into the office.

Funny how it works that way.

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Jan 11, 2019 - 4:28pm
faizzybear, what's your opinion? Comment below:

The need to be clean-shaven in lower level positions. It obviously varies from group to group but I don't think any man in 2019 should have to have a smooth babyface everyday. Stubble and short beards should be more acceptable.

Jan 15, 2019 - 6:03pm
tackytech, what's your opinion? Comment below:

That patagucci Intern / Analyst look.

Bonus points if: - Dull and worn loafers - Baggy chinos - Sloppy shirt that needs ironing

I'm also a firm believer that if you're young and gonna use bit-loafers in a business setting, at least go for some with a sleeker last. Those rounded and timeless 1953 Gucci loafers look decent on 60-year old dudes, but not on guy in their 20's in a office uniform.

Go for Gucci Jordaan, Ferragamo Benford, or similar styled loafers.

Jan 17, 2019 - 5:00am
patriciaringca, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Suspenders: is became a popular accessory over jeans, in fluoro green, pinks, and other wonderful tones.

Jan 18, 2019 - 5:55am
collahola, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Pretty much everything.

I train for crossfit, and whenever I beef up my workout for like 2 weeks, none of my shirts, pants or even jacket would fit.

Hate dress shoes as well especially those with hard heels. How can you run in those whenever you have to?

Feel my rigid attire is a big productivity killer.

Jan 18, 2019 - 3:04pm
InfoDominatrix, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Never fails that in virtually every year's of summer interns/associates/analysts, you'll spot someone or several someones who've kept the design maker label on their suit sleeve and/or hasn't freed the jacket's back vent.

Also often see younger guys forgetting to free the vent on the back of their car coats/pea coats, etc., come fall and winter.

Apr 26, 2019 - 5:02am
sjovells, what's your opinion? Comment below:

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May 14, 2019 - 3:09pm
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