Equity guys, what resources do you use for your research process?

Hey guys, so I'm currently at a boutique asset manager w/ enough AUM scale that we can afford nearly all of the bells and whistles when it comes to the research process. For instance, we have SS research (including SS requests & analyst calls which cost $$$$$), databases like Mintel, expert networks like Third Bridge, and traveling to meet with management. And using these resources and some unconventional thinking, our performance has been in the top quartile. To be fair, our research budget is nothing like Millenniums (w/ hundreds of millions a year allocated for this stuff).

However, it's made me wonder, how would we have done if we didn't have these resources? If we were a smaller shop with much less scale and had to ration ourselves to virtually no SS requests, and very little expenses on high-priced databases like Mintel. So I was curious, what kind of resources do you fundamental equity guys use on a day to day basis, and how effectively does your shop generates alpha over the long term as a function of that? Do you feel you can maintain the same performance with less resources? What is the bare-bones that you think you need to beat the market over the long term?

 

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It's not a flex. I'm explaining the resources I have access to, and trying to understand how shops without those resources manage to outperform. Being from an asset manager with AUM scale like I mentioned isn't remotely uncommon.

Jesus, can't even explain things factually without getting some kid trying to use the "weird flex but ok" line that he's heard his friends say 100 times before and he's finally excited to use it for the first time on an online forum

 

We use these services for every one of our ideas. And when I say we use them, we each every single one every single time.

That's why I wanted to ask this question. Frankly, all I think we'd absolutely need is access to SS, including requests. Although over time, this is probably the most absurdly overpriced service I could think of, considering many of the requests cost 5k-10k a pop.

The rest of it though, such as traveling to meet with management, Mintel, Third Bridge, etc. all add extra layers of conviction that I frankly would feel uncomfortable without, primarily because of our long-term time horizon (2+ years).

May I ask what services you use? And what time horizons you target as well as how long your average research process on an idea is? I suspect it's a function of this that dictates the amount of services you might use or avoid.

 

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Paid data and meeting with management is an obvious edge, but I’m surprised by the emphasis/love for SS research here.

ive found that you can/should get to the same level of understanding as the SS analyst by your own unaided research. Of course, 10% of the time, they’ll give you something helpful but I feel sometimes the probability they mislead you is somewhat equal and cancels it out.

That being said, I think SS is definitely useful in terms of corporate access, getting a feel for what other buysiders are thinking, and my personal favorite: pushing your opinions on others - but I’d say you’re probably putting too much emphasis on the research.

 

I actually use sell side research the most, especially at the beginning of forming an investment thesis, since I don't have the time to research something from scratch that an analyst would have spent years working on. And I don't feel they mislead me at any point, they give me their views and forecasts and I decide whether to agree with them or not.

On your last point, how often has your plan on pushing your opinions worked with sell side? Have you seen any movement in prices/volumes?

 
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Depends on the strategy. My first buyside job was sector-focused value investing with an investment horizon anywhere between 6 months and 3 years. In that role I agree I'd get to the same understanding as SS analysts.

My current role is generalist, and has an investment horizon as short as a couple of weeks, and the window of opportunity to trade is often as short as a day or two. With those constraints, it's hard to beat doing a couple of SS analyst calls to get up to speed on a new name.

Agree they are very useful for understanding what competitors are thinking, and the occasional reverse-broking.

 

What is your current investing role? Curious because my current role is more akin to your first one with some smaller trade horizons mixed in and I have come to really appreciate the sector-focused nature of it.

I would imagine that if I worked in your current role that I’d be running around like a headless chicken and never develop any real understanding of what I’m investing in so I’m curious to learn more

Also - what is reverse-broking

 

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