PM from LO to MM HF without L/S track record

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I think the title says it all. 

I am a LO PM and had my first interview with a HH for a MM HF position yesterday. Turns out she only wanted people with L/S experience and track record. As I am a LO PM, that is by definition not possible. I explained her that my approach (rel value through proprietary factor investing) has a long and a short leg, but that I can only use the long leg at the moment. I always track L/S performance of my approach but have no track record. Also, she did not know the difference between SR and IR...

I am wondering if I can become a MM HF/pod PM if I currently only manage LO portfolios? The HH said no and the interview was over after a few minutes.  Any experience or thoughts?

thanks

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights regarding transitioning from a Long-Only (LO) Portfolio Manager (PM) to a Multi-Manager Hedge Fund (MM HF) PM without a Long/Short (L/S) track record:

  1. L/S Experience Requirement:

    • Many MM HFs prioritize candidates with a proven L/S track record. This is because L/S strategies are fundamental to their investment approach, and having direct experience is often seen as crucial.
  2. Challenges Without L/S Track Record:

    • As highlighted in your experience, headhunters (HH) and firms may be hesitant to consider LO PMs without L/S experience. This is due to the perceived risk and the need for a demonstrated ability to manage both long and short positions effectively.
  3. Alternative Approaches:

    • Demonstrate L/S Skills: Even if you haven't managed an L/S portfolio, you can emphasize your understanding and tracking of L/S performance within your current strategy. Highlighting any proprietary factor investing that includes both long and short legs can be beneficial.
    • Internal Transition: Consider opportunities within your current firm to gain L/S experience. This could involve working on projects or teams that allow you to build a track record in L/S strategies.
    • Networking and Mentorship: Engage with professionals who have successfully made the transition. They can provide insights and potentially recommend you to firms more open to candidates without a traditional L/S background.
  4. Market Perception:

    • The perception that LO PMs cannot transition to MM HFs without L/S experience is common. However, some firms may be more flexible, especially if you can convincingly demonstrate your capability and understanding of L/S strategies.
  5. Interview Preparation:

    • Be prepared to articulate your investment approach clearly and how it can translate to an L/S strategy. Address any gaps in experience proactively and provide evidence of your analytical and strategic skills.

In summary, while the transition from LO PM to MM HF PM without a direct L/S track record is challenging, it is not impossible. Emphasizing your relevant skills, seeking internal opportunities to build L/S experience, and networking within the industry can improve your chances.

Sources: PM / Sr Analyst at MM HF to LO PM -- doable?, PM / Sr Analyst at MM HF to LO PM -- doable?, LO to MM HF?, Leaving MFPE for MMHF seat?, Is the Multi Manager HF Experience Worth It?

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There could be a slim chance at one of the smaller emerging MMs. But at the established ones MLP Citadel P72 etc, zero chance.

Sorry to bear the bad news, but I bet they have seen scores of people in the past claim they could adjust to the market neutral model, and then fail. It's lower-risk for them to promote a Sr analyst that is experienced with market/factor-neutral than to take on a LO PM.

 

Thanks both. Definitely not the answers I was hoping for. As a quant PM I look always at the short legs of my strategies, but I agree why should someone take me without the short leg track record- appreciate your direct answers.

 

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