Problem of the origin of profit

Problem of the origin of profit

Let's imagine theoretically a world, where there is only one employer, that owns a single factory, and only one employee.

Now the employee can only work at that specific factory, since that's the only employment that exists, and the employee can purchase goods only produced by that same factory, for the same reason of cause- since there are no other goods that exist. For the experiment sake, let's just say that the factory manufactures only one type of product, and it's all that needed for the worker to get by in his daily life. The employer also pays the employee a weekly salary, with which the employee purchases factory's products. The labor costs is the only expenditure that the employer has.

Since the only monetary income that the employee has is his salary, that is the only amount he can spend on factory's goods.

In this situation the employer will never be able to make any monetary profit, because his income will never exceed his expenditure.

Let's say the factory produces 10 units of goods each week, and the employee's weekly salary is 10 dollars. That makes the labor cost of each unit at 1 dollar each.

Now whatever the price that the employer sets when selling the goods, he only can retrieve 10 dollars in income. The employer has to set a price of 1 dollar at least per unit only to break even, and after that the higher the price- the lesser goods the employee can purchase. At a price 2 dollars per unit the employee will be able to purchase only 5 units, at 3 dollars the employee will be able to purchase only 3 units and so on.

So the only profit that the employer can gain is in a form of excessive goods that the employee is unable to purchase, but no monetary profit is possible. This employer will never make profit. It's a closed cycle, where the same amount of money goes back and forth, with only excessive goods created in the process.

Of cause in the real world the economies are much more complicated, with numerous manufacturers and different products with different prices, but still the math supposed to be the same. The price for each existing product out there has to be above the labor cost that was spent in order to produce it. So the total amount of prices in economy will always be above the total amount of labor costs, in order for profit to be possible.

The economic theory teaches us that there are firms and there are households, and that households are employed by the firms, and later households purchase goods from the firms.

But since total labor costs equal total households income, and total prices amount is higher than total households income, therefore the households will never be able to purchase all the goods that are being produced. Same pattern occurs, a closed monetary cycle where no monetary profit is possible for the firms.

The only way to some firms to make a profit, is only if other firms won't be able to sell their products and their employees spend their salaries purchasing other goods than theirs. In this case though those failing firms will eventually run out of money and go bankrupt, and the economy will reach a 'closed cycle' stage again where no profit is possible. The firms that succeeded in selling their products simply will suck all the money out of the circulation in form of profit, and then the closed cycle will return, of the same amount of money going back and forth between firms and households, with excessive goods created in the process but with no one having any money to buy them.

Therefore as we see, a continuous injection of newly created money into the cycle is needed in order for any profit based economy to exist. In our reality it's the government role. One way for example to inject new money, is by having a budget with a deficit, and then cover that deficit with newly created money. Therefore deficit in government's budget is not just not bad, but on the contrary it's essential for the economy to exist as we know it.

Of cause the government doesn't have to use its budget deficit as a condition to inject newly created money into the economy, but it seems as a very effective way. It is estimated that firms on average have an annual 7 percent profit from their income, but it doesn't mean that the government should inject new money worth of 7 percent of gdp, it should be a bit less... Why? Let me show you another example:
Lets say we have a closed economy with a company that grows tomatoes and sells it to a factory for 10 percent profit, then the factory processes the tomatoes and put them into cans, and sells them to retail stores for 7 percent profit. Then retail stores sell it for 4 percent profit to the public. Once again lets say that the only expenditure companies have is the cost of labour. Lets say the cost of labour for tomatoes company is 100$, for the canning factory 50$ and for retail store 30$. Therefore the tomatoes company sells tomatoes to the factory for 110$ (10 percent profit), the factory after processing the tomatoes sells them to the retail stores for 171.2$ (7 percent profit after paying 110$ to the tomatoes company and 50$ for its own labour). Now the canned tomatoes arrive to their final destination- the retail stores. The retail stores spend 30 dollars on labour, and now they have a product worth of 201.2$, and they try to sell it for 209.25$ in order to make that 4 percent profit... But here is the problem, the public only has 201.2$ to spend. The tomatoes factory people received 110$, the canning factory people received 61.2$, the retail workers received 30$, that sums up to 201.2$ in total, that all the money there is to spend. As you see the government needs to intervene and inject another 8.05$ in order for this cycle to be complete and that the retail stores can make profit.
Now as you see even though the average profit is still 7 percent ((10+7+4)/3=7), but the amount of new money that is needed to be injected is nearly 4 percent of gdp (209.25/201.2=1.04).

Therefore the government should have a yearly budget deficit worth roughly 4 percent of the national GDP, and cover that deficit with newly created money.

So my conclusion is that in order for any profit based economy to exist, there have to be a continuous and regular injection of newly created money into the circulation. In fact we can have an equation 'all and only possible firms profits in the economy'='all newly created money by the government'. No new money= no profit possible.

What I'm bewildered about, is why this notion of 'any possible profit equals newly created money' is not known in the economics studies. I tried to find some theories connecting profits and newly created money, and found nothing. I personally think that if it's correct, then this notion supposed to be the very backbone of any economic theory out there, every student or scholar should know this.

P. S. If you going to argue that in real world my example doesn't work since the firms have many other expenditures besides labour costs, like rent or taxes, let me just say it's still the same, you still have that problem of lack of money for profit to be possible.

 

Macroeconomic models that are only made of equal households and equal firms in perfect competion wil not allow profit. One hole in your rational might be the fact that the owner of the firm should also be a household

 

Well in order for the retail owner to spend that 8.05$ he first needs to earn it in form of profit, which as i established is impossible. But if you suggest that the owner take that 8.05$ from his store account and then spend it, then you just added to the store expenditure another 8.05$ in form of owner's salary. If previously the store spent 201.2$, now after adding the owner salary it's 209.25. So the public purchasing ability is still equals the retail store expenditure, which is 209.25$. Once again no profit is possible for the retail store.

 

owner's salary is profit. These models are simplifications of reality, in your model you can see that profit exists but the true meaningful result is that the aggregate income (the sums of salaries and profits) equals the aggregate demand/consumption, which is true for a close economy. Is that right?

 
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Ok... Let's first define the meaning of the word ''profit''. You claim that owner's fixed salary is his profit, but by that logical you can say that worker's salary is also a profit. This is not exactly what I mean when I say 'profit'. A profit in my mind is when a firm each cycle gets more revenue than it spends, and manages to accumulate wealth. It means that its capital is steadily growing. I'm sure you would agree that the main purpose of any commercial firm is to grow financially, and not just to break even each cycle. But in my example all the company can do is only to break even. Look at the tomatoes growing company (let's call it the farm), the farm owner will never have more than 110$ on his balance sheet. He begins the cycle with 110$, then he spends it all on salaries and gets to zero, then he gets his 110$ back after selling the tomatoes to the canning factory, and then a new cycle begins and it never changes. The farm goes from 110$ to 0$ and then back to 110$ again, and that's indefinitely. It will never ever bypass that 110$ mark. You were right when you said that it's possible in closed economy to have aggregate expenditure being equal to aggregate income without the need of injection of new money, but then all the companies can do is to break even each cycle, and never accumulate any wealth. But in the real world companies do manage to accumulate wealth, now how you explain that?

 

Ok... First let's define the meaning of the word 'profit'. You consider owner's fixed income as a 'profit' and not as a 'labour cost', by the same logic you can consider worker's salary also as a 'profit'. This definition of 'profit' is problematic. In my mind a profit is when a firm ends a cycle with more capital than it started with, after reducing all the expenditures including owner's salary. You do agree that the main purpose of any commercial firm is to accumulate wealth, and not just to break even each cycle. But in my examples all the companies can do is only to break even each cycle without any possibility of enlarging their starting capital. The tomatoes growing company (let's call it the farm) will never exceed the 110$ mark. It starts the cycle with 110$, then spends it all on salaries while growing the tomatoes and goes to zero on it's balance sheet, and then retrieves its 110$ back after selling the tomatoes to the canning factory. It goes from 110$ to 0$ and then back to 110$, and this cycle goes indefinitely. The farm will never have more than 110$ on its balance sheet. But in the real world we do know that the firms do accumulate wealth and manage to increase their capital, which is according to my modules is impossible... Now how do you explain that without the 'new money injection' factor? P. S. You were right when you said that in closed economy it's possible to have aggregate income to be equal to aggregate prices without the need of injection of new money, but still in this case the companies can only break even and are unable to increase their capital (what I call 'to make a profit').

 

Ok... First let's define the meaning of the word 'profit'. You consider owner's fixed salary as a 'profit' and not as a 'labour cost', by the same logic you can consider worker's salary also as a 'profit'. This definition of 'profit' is problematic. In my mind a profit is when a firm ends a cycle with more capital than it started with, after reducing all the expenditures including owner's salary. You do agree that the main purpose of any commercial firm is to accumulate wealth, and not just to break even each cycle. But in my modules all the companies can do is only to break even each cycle without any possibility of enlarging their starting capital. The tomatoes growing company (let's call it the farm) will never exceed the 110$ mark. It starts the cycle with 110$, then spends it all on salaries while growing the tomatoes and goes to zero on it's balance sheet, and then retrieves its 110$ back after selling the tomatoes to the canning factory. It goes from 110$ to 0$ and then back to 110$, and this cycle goes indefinitely. The farm will never have more than 110$ on its balance sheet. But in the real world we do know that the firms do accumulate wealth and manage to increase their capital, which is according to my modules is impossible... Now how do you explain that without 'new money injection' factor? P. S. You were right when you said that in closed economy it's possible to have aggregate income to be equal to aggregate prices without the need of injection of new money, but still in this case the companies can only break even and are unable to increase their capital (what I call 'to make a profit').

 

Wait, wait, wait... Hold your horses, I missed something.
First let me add a piece of new data to the tomatoes scenario. Let's add that each firm have a starting capital that will be exactly enough to cover the expenses of one cycle (the farm starts with 110$, the canning factory with 171.2$ and the retail store with 209.25$). Now this amount of money will allow a stable trade between the firms with cash flowing back and forth between companies, owners and workers. But as I said no profit is possible and each participant will end the cycle with the same amount he started with.
I claimed that in order for profit to be possible, the government needs to print 8.09$... But i was mistaken. I got to argue with the member bananas about definition of the word profit, and I claimed that profit is the money that a firm can put aside after each cycle. So according to this definition I was mistaken when I said the government needs to print only 8.05$ for the retail store, it also needs to print 10$ for the farm, and 11.2$ for the canning factory. So each cycle the government needs to inject 29.25$ and not just 8.05$ as I initially said. The injection also equals a 14 percent of gdp, and not 4 percent as I previously claimed.
Ok... So what does it mean? Does it mean that in real life the government needs to inject new money worth of 14 percent of gdp each cycle? Well I think not, I think it's still around 4 percent, hehe... Why you ask? Let me tell you why I think so. In our example profit money meant money that is being taken by the firms out from circulation and put aside for saving and not being used for some period of time. So the government need to cover this reduction by injecting 29.27 percent of gdp worth of new money each cycle. But in real life the profit money that is being saved by the firms are not really taken out of the circulation, but usually is being loaned out to the wide public and used for purchasing stuff like housing, cars, student loans etc. Of cause this money needs to be repayed in the future with interest (which once again is a form of profit). So why it's still 4 percent of gdp worth of new money needs to be injected each cycle? Let me think a little bit and I'll be back with an answer...

 

... I mean the main reason I still think that the government needs to inject some percentage of new money, is due to that principal: the aggregate prices amount have to be above the aggregate expenses amount so the profit may be possible, but since total labour cost is less than aggregate expenses, and total labour costs equal total purchasing power, then all the prices cannot be covered... Unless the government injects new money... but how much? I need to think about this more... Got a headache..

 

Wait, wait... it's a bit mire complicated than that... In some cases the government has to inject not 4 percents of gdp, but the sum of all interest rates of all the loaners... It depends on different variables.

 

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