Why do banks need our deposits?
Hey all,
I've recently read some articles regarding how money is being created, where it has been clearly stated that the loans create deposits, not the other way around, in controrary to what many people believe.
However, if that's the case, then why banks aggresively seek out for more deposits, would not be sufficient for them to get enough deposits for reserve requirements?
And if loaning is only constraint by capital requirements and deposits do not count as capital, well whats the point of banks requiring us (households) to put more money?
What am I missing from here?
thx
It doesn't matter, whether loans create deposits or vice versa, banks still need some cash to lend it to borrowers. And the cheapest way to do it - collect money from people and pay them some interest (lower than bank's required return on equity).
Are you sure about your conclusion that reserve requirements should be kept at minimum (regulatory) levels? Deposits will also count for the net stable funding ratio.
Why is the grass green? Why is the sky blue? How do magnets work? Do all dogs go to heaven? I don't think anyone knows the answer to any of these questions we just accept them as fact and move on with our lives.
In Commercial banking, plain vanilla stuff, you care about your net interest margin which is the spread between which you pay (or buy money, depending on how you view it) interest and what you lend (sell money) at. Pretty simple stuff. There are many different sources of funding and I think this is where you are getting hung up. You can raise capital to lend out via selling shares to investors, taking in deposits and paying out interest on them then loaning them out or via more wholesale type funding sources such as money from other banks or whatever. You take said deposits, keep 10% of the money in reserve, and loan out the rest. Why would I want more deposits? Scale is a wonderful thing. The bigger you get, the more money you can make. That's the whole point, really and that is why banks are constantly seeking deposits. Deposits are a relatively cheap source of funding.
The whole point is to make money, and taking in more deposits and making more loans accomplishes that goal. Period. Unless they suck at lending, of course.
And, by the way, this loans create deposits is true only for the banking system as a whole. On individual level every bank is operating as described by above posts. And combining macro and micro view may be tricky.
Also, to my limited knowledge, banks fight to make more loans much more aggressively than the do for deposits. Low interest rates, etc.
@BulatD,
But arent the capital requirements the only constraint when it comes to lending. So basically, why do I have to pay for excess deposits when my lending amount is fixed with my capital (ie. pretty much my equity, given few amendments due to bank capital definition)
I am probably missing something crucial here; but imagine I have a new bank with 300 equity. Isn't my lending fixed at 3000, given my equity levels? (say hypothethically Basel requirements for capital are %10) Well when I have more deposits I have more cash and my liabilities increase too, however my lending should not increase as a result of more deposits right? Cause deposits are not form of capital.
So If i have say enough deposits from households to cover my daily needs (or weekly, or monthly whatever), then I don't need people to bring me more money right? Because we are assuming there wont be bank runs and people wont demand money at the same time. But that was the initial theory with money creation and banking, no?
I mean if I could only lend out with what households brought me, I would not be able to create more money right. But even if I keep a fraction of that money (say 10%), then I am still assuming the same no bank run thing. Hence how do more deposits increase my lending?
I'll take your example with 300 in Equity and 3000 in Loans. It's true, that you will not benefit from excess deposits because you will have to pay for them. The problem is that for you to give away 3000 in loans you have to have 3000 in cash. Your 300 Equity just don't do the math and can't cover all potential borrowers. The only reason to have deposits - to fund your credit portfolio. Among other possible reasons to advertise and market deposits - to increase demand thus decreasing the price (funding costs), but they are out of the analysis.
So, basically: 1. You start with 300 in Equity and can potentially give 3000 in loans (with 10% minimum ratio); 2. You have to find 3000 - 300 = 2700 cash somewhere, and it just happened that deposits are the cheapest source; 3. You start advertising your deposit products to grow your loan portfolio from 300 to 3000 AND to lower cost of funding that you pay for your (hopefully) 2700 in deposits. 4. You earn some nice profit and suddenly have increased Equity, and therefore you need to get some more deposits.
Warning: it applies only to retail banks. Corporate client's deposits will have additional value to corporate banks.
I'm going to break this down as simple as possible. Deposits are no longer funding loans as much as loans are funding loans now, but, without the deposits, the loans would never have to fruition.
Say you deposit 1000 dollars and the bank has a 10% capital requirement. It can lend out 900 now. That 900 gets lent out, and what happens with that money? It buys something and then gets put in the bank, say a car, and then the car deal puts that in the bank. so now out of the 900, 810 can be loaned back out. Then the same thing happens, 729 lended out.... then this process keeps going and going.
Summed up, going at a 10% capital requirement your initial 1000 dollars, just created 9000 dollars.
@Skinnayy
Actually what I've been saying initially was that your example in reality was not correct. What you're describing is the money multiplier right?
But what I understand from here, is that the bank actually does not need that initial 1000 USD deposit to create that money (around 9 times), in fact, it does it through lending and then writing the deposit.
Or am I missing something here? check this out
Ah I cant post links but please write bank of england money creation in google, there is a pdf about it.
Note in those charts what is happening. Banks have their reserves and capital, they have to have that first. Period. Then they can lend out money to people. Once that is exhausted, they take on new deposits and then loan out more money. Rinse and repeat. But realize that in that chart note how it starts with Reserves and currency = to deposits which to banks are liabilities. When they lend out money, what changes is the composition of the assets changes because loans are assets and the corresponding have new deposits. Bear in mind that this is showing how money is created and pushed throughout the system.
Banks create money and the velocity of money is reliant on the banks making loans, hence, why with unprecedented amounts of QE we aren't seeing massive inflation because banks aren't lending and capital requirements are rising. But that's a whole different conversation.
@ BulatD, King Kong
Aren't you both assuming that banks need to have deposits first in order to be able to loan funds? However as you may read from their report (Bank of England, how money is created)
"The vast majority of money held by the public takes the form of bank deposits. But where the stock of bank deposits comes from is often misunderstood. One common misconception is that banks act simply as intermediaries, lending out the deposits that savers place with them. In this view deposits are typically ‘created’ by the saving decisions of households, and banks then ‘lend out’ those existing deposits to borrowers, for example to companies looking to finance investment or individuals wanting to purchase houses. In fact, when households choose to save more money in bank accounts, those deposits come simply at the expense of deposits that would have otherwise gone to companies in payment for goods and services. Saving does not by itself increase the deposits or ‘funds available’ for banks to lend. Indeed, viewing banks simply as intermediaries ignores the fact that, in reality in the modern economy, commercial banks are the creators of deposit money. This article explains how, rather than banks lending out deposits that are placed with them, the act of lending creates deposits — the reverse of the sequence typically described in textbooks."
Am i missing something here, or is it suggesting that you really do not need deposits to be able to make the loan, so in my equity example, in order to make that 3000 loan, I really don't need to have 3000 deposits. Well even without that no bank has that money if all depositors ask for their money anyway right.
But here they suggest that the money multipler as you tried to desrcibe, is also wrong. They don't seem to be lending the money you and I bring to the bank. It just seems they don't need that.
You confuse economical meaning (or casuality problem, since it is not 100% resolved) of banking system and accounting/technical/physical effect of inability to give things that you do not have and cannot create.
You may want to read about money multiplier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_multiplier).
If you are the only bank in the system, than you can give 300 in loans, then collect 300 in deposits (someone took the loan, paid for services, seller received money and put in your bank), then reserve some part of it, then give 300*(1-reserve_ratio) in loans, then collect ... etc.
Historically, value-added created deposits, which, in turn, would enable loans. In the modern world, it's all gotten quite a bit more complicated, such that it's become a chicken/egg problem.
Banks require funding to operate, since what they do is, simplistically, maturity and liquidity transformations. Deposits are considered a good source of funding since they are relatively "sticky"/stable. That's why banks want your deposits.
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