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In the good old days of 2007-2008, it was 3 months' salary for analysts.

Today, it's probably going to be more like 6 weeks. But analyst layoffs are fairly rare and generally involve a bankruptcy, merger under duress or other crisis of that level. If your firm didn't capitulate you were more likely to get fired than laid off as an analyst over the past ten years, and both numbers constituted a low single digit percentage odds.

Bottom line: don't work for a firm that's going to go bankrupt in the next two years.

 

depends.. i think its between 1 and 2 months salary. that being said, its a little tricky at the second year level. essentially since they could say that your analyst program is done, pay you your bonus and that's all she wrote. some firms give a standard number to employees no matter the tenure.

typically its around 2 weeks pay for every year you've been there.

------------ I'm making it up as I go along.
 
Aero
SnappleApple^Pretty sure that would not be considered a layoff...

What is it then? You’re not quitting?

I've been wondering about this too.

I read over my offer letter and other employment papers and there is no mention of a two year program or any sort of end date. It simply says I'm "at-will" blah blah blah.

In that case, if on the last day of the supposed two year program, when they effectively tell me I will no longer be their employee the next day, how is that not a layoff?

 
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Aero
SnappleApple^Pretty sure that would not be considered a layoff...

What is it then? You’re not quitting?

I've been wondering about this too.

I read over my offer letter and other employment papers and there is no mention of a two year program or any sort of end date. It simply says I'm "at-will" blah blah blah.

In that case, if on the last day of the supposed two year program, when they effectively tell me I will no longer be their employee the next day, how is that not a layoff?

From wikipedia: Layoff (in British1 and American English), also called redundancy in the UK, is the temporary suspension or permanent termination of employment of an employee or (more commonly) a group of employees for business reasons, such as when certain positions are no longer necessary or when a business slow-down occurs.

You're not getting laid off per se since it's not because of a "business reason" that you're getting canned. You're getting canned because you didn't perform up to par (and consequently they don't want to give you a 3rd yr).

From the previous, sounds more like a firing...

 

In one case i know of, the analyst got a 3 month severeance, but he also collected payment for his 3-month notice period. so effectively, he got 6 months and walked away.

In another case, an analyst got 7 month severance (total) to walk away.

so, in the experience of a top IBD in Asia, analyst severence has been 6-7 months all-in (btw, this means that you collect no other bonus besides this, and this is effectively your walk-away bonus)

Go East, Young Man
 
BabyBelugaBB IBD in US -> laid off day before bonus, 2 month severance

Damn! So you didn't get the bonus.....that's dirty

You should name the BB so everybody knows to avoid

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger
 
IlliniProgrammerAlso they can typically clawback your signing bonus if your employment ends "for any reason" during your first year.

Only if you leave voluntarily or are terminated with "cause." "Cause" basically being fired for fraud or any number of other violations, which does not mean laid off due to slow business.

"One should recognize reality even when one doesn't like it, indeed, especially when one doesn't like it." - Charlie Munger
 
cplpayne

Only if you leave voluntarily or are terminated with "cause." "Cause" basically being fired for fraud or any number of other violations, which does not mean laid off due to slow business.

Depends on your contract. When Lehman went bankrupt, the associates got sued for their $20K signing bonuses. The layoff was clearly not for cause, but they still had to pay back the money.

http://www.housingwire.com/rewired/got-lehman-signing-bonus-probably-no…

http://dealbreaker.com/2009/11/got-a-signing-bonus-from-lehman-brothers…

 

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