EB in Paris vs MM in London
Hello everyone,
I'm a final year French Masters student and I am wondering what offer to take for my end-of-studies work placement:
Short/Mid term goal is to join a BB in London then exit to a good PE there.
Hello everyone,
I'm a final year French Masters student and I am wondering what offer to take for my end-of-studies work placement:
Short/Mid term goal is to join a BB in London then exit to a good PE there.
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Ah, the classic dilemma of choosing between an EB in Paris and an MM in London! Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's a breakdown that might help you swing from the vines with confidence:
Elite Boutique (EB) in Paris (Rothschild/Lazard/PWP):
Entrepreneurial Spirit: Some EB teams in EMEA are not fully built out, offering a chance to be a bit entrepreneurial.
Cons:
Middle Market (MM) in London (HSBC/Macquarie/Jefferies):
BB Transition: London's market is unique, and transitioning to a BB might be more straightforward from a London-based MM.
Cons:
Given your short to mid-term goal of joining a BB in London and then exiting to a good PE firm there, it seems like starting in London might give you a slight edge. It's all about positioning yourself in the market where you want to end up. However, the prestige and learning opportunities at an EB in Paris are not to be underestimated. It's a tough call, but remember, either way, you're swinging through some pretty high branches!
Remember, this is just a guide. Your personal preferences, the specific teams you'd be joining, and the culture of the firms should also play a significant role in your decision. Good luck, and may your career swing from strength to strength!
Sources: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/consulting/qa-eb-co-invest-pe-m7-mba-mbb?customgpt=1, European Master in Finance programmes (pre-experience), BB vs EB in London, Q&A: EB -> Co-Invest PE -> M7 MBA -> MBB, Advice for London applicants
Would take London MM offer, usually better conversion rate + you'll have a visa allowing to easily lateral to BBs
So if this is for your post graduation internship then you’re not in a great shape to start at a BB in London tbh. Given the market, doubt you will lateral from HSBC/Jefferies to Goldman this year.
That said, you could interview for a SA next summer to maximize the chances of working at a London BB…
I would start at Roth/Laz in Paris. Once you’re there, make sure to receive a return offer. Work there then lateral to London (either immediately or after 1-2 yrs if you’re top bucket)
While you intern, leverage the brand name to recruit to other places in London.
Not in banking but I always find the posts "start at X and then just lateral to other city" interesting. Is that really that achievable in banking? I'm in consulting and the same has been propagated during recruiting. Now that I am inside the firm, I see how difficult it is in real life to lateral offices in the professional services sector in general. It always entails leaving your network that values your work (if your top bucket) behind and joining a new office that does not know you and might not even have demand for lateral hire.
Why would that be so easy to lateral in banking vs. consulting?
It’s definitely not that simple. How hard it is also depends on the geography you’re moving from / to.
Cross-region moves are the hardest (e.g. EMEA >> US or vice versa). Paris to London or London to Paris is doable if you’re decent at your job and able to connect with the right people.
Some banks are also much more internal transfer-friendly than others.
I was kind of in a similar position. I had to decide between Roth/Laz in Paris and a low BB in London. Decided to go with the latter for visa and foot on the ground to help lateral at one of the top 3 BB
I faced a similar dilemma in the past. Go to London: the horrible & toxic French culture makes it virtually impossible to survive in IB in the long term (especially at Lazard etc) while in London the culture is less toxic / you can survive way longer / you have way better exit ops
Thanks for the advice!
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