Firms with most aura

Currently a senior at a target hs (Exeter, Andover, Trinity) heading to a public ivy (uva, umich, iu kelley), and I'm planning for my future. Looking to maximize opportunities and curious to know which firm has the most aura? Should i do investment banking or straight buyside (know MDs at both). More aura to do apollo/blackstone or GS/jefferies out of school? Want to stay on this prestigious track and want a females jaw to drop when hearing the firm im gonna work at. Any advice is appreciated!

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Definitely rage bait but kinda funny. On the off chance you are serious:

1. Congrats on IU Kelley, I hope the admissions officers find this post
2. The only jaw dropping is yours when you don't get into IBW, and the female's* when she sees how much weight you put on in your analyst years. 
3. Because you'll be attending a "public ivy" I'd recommend recruiting for "global boutiques" like William Blair
4. Congrats on your LinkedIn connection with a SVP at Jefferies. Unfortunately, as of right now, he's got bigger issues than having to field a painful call from his cousin's friend's insufferable son.

Best of luck with IB/Buyside recruitment! 

 

Thanks, I've gotten my acceptance to IU Kelley already and am waiting on pending decisions at the other schools which i have legacy for. Is IU not as high caliber as other schools? Know they sent kids everywhere to all banks, jefferies, cvp, gs, pjt rssg, apollo, bx - placement really can't get better than that so not sure i understand the hate but alright.

Also for a more serious note, does Jefferies really have that little aura? Have pull there and some BBs and MFs, is it that much worse of a name? Just want to aurmaxx here thanks 

 

public ivy is crazy LMAO

its like how WashU/ Vanderbilt kids say they are the Harvard of the midwest 

ps: no girl will look you differently because you work at BX/ GS

edit: I went to washu...

 

Crazy copium. It's currently ranked outside the T20 and is only really good for research and premed. also uchicago and nwu clear and umich and und are better for finance.

 

Maybe 20 years ago nowadays CVP/PJT/EVR has the most aura and it's not close

 

honestly there are. i did not personally attend those private schools but my classmates who did had a very easy time getting them on the phone/referrals from alum at these schools, even ones who attended on scholarships and weren't rich

 

Women’s jaws will never drop at the name of a firm, unless you’re talking about undergrad women looking for an internship. To the young guys on here, in terms of what you can control, the only things that make women’s jaws drop:

  • Having enough money to do what you (and by extension she) want for the most part  
  • Having enough flexibility to use that money for top 10% interesting experiences and to maintain yourself in top 10% condition
  • Being lean and ripped (sub 10% body fat)
  • Being strong and athletic (active lifestyle)
  • Healthy looking skin and hair and teeth goes an incredibly long way
  • Well dressed / fashionable / well groomed
  • Being interesting and fun or funny or safe (hobbies, travel, good friends, skills)
  • The confident and ambitious presence that comes as a result of having put forth the effort to achieve all of the above
     

    Money from IB is just a tool (a very powerful tool) that makes it easier to achieve the rest of the things, but it alone isn’t enough to impress anybody in my experience. First couple years I was working 24/7 despite making money women just didn’t care. It wasn’t until I started spending that money to build a compelling appearance and lifestyle that women started turning heads. Guys need to understand women can’t see your savings and investments and job title on your forehead. 

    Earning and saving and investing are incredibly important, they just aren’t super compelling to most women alone, same with job titles and such.

 

Facts brother. Honestly being ripped while working a great job is what will set you apart. Most guys that are ripped work 9-5

 

This is very very accurate. Job title / firm / money alone don't get you that much - it's combining it with the 'best version of yourself' factors you mention above. It's just super hard to do that, which is why I think people should exit IB, limiting paycut as much as possible, while doing something that at the very least gives you your weekends back.

 

When you’re at as prestigious a school as IU Kelley (PBUI), you must exercise extreme prudence when choosing where to begin your ascent to MOTU status. If you’re not careful you’ll downgrade and tarnish your elite reputation. Fortunately I can think of at least once place that approaches the immense prestige of those hallowed halls… pays $140K base btw.

 

So we know you're a senior at Trinity as no one would say "Exeter, Andover, Trinity" if they went to the first two and you're headed to IU Kelley since no one would refer to that as a "public ivy."

Those dings to your resume nonwithstanding, think you could pull Jefferies.

 

Well maybe it was a relative safety for him. UVA/UMICH though...eh, I'd still feel a type of way if thats all my kid got into. Unless we reside in VA or MI though and its an instate tuition consideration.

 

My own experience is people who are sophisticated / in the industry will be most impressed if you are in an analyst seat at Pershing / TCI / Elliott / Viking / Coatue. I would add Tiger Global to this list but they've suffered a lot the last few years and the jury is still out as to whether they have real ability as investors or were simply beneficiaries of the rising tide of tech in a zero rate environment during the 2010-2020 decade. 

Apollo used to be very prestigious, but I think post Leon Black, the firm is known as a sweat shop to be avoided. KKR / Blackstone still deserve a ton of credibility and are very hard to break into, but don't elicit the same sense of respect that the names I mentioned do. There are also some single manager funds that aren't on the same level but still run by sharp people who are respected (e.g., Third Point, Baupost, Cevian in Europe, Glenview, D1, non-exhaustive list).

Above said, it sounds like what you are asking about is 'lay prestige' or name recognition at a bar where the opposite gender might be impressed. The answer to that has been and will continue to be Goldman, for better or worse. People will recognize Morgan Stanley or JPM the same way they recognize Yale and Stanford when you mentioned where you went to school, but GS is the Harvard of finance when viewed through lens of brand / aura. As to whether GS deserves that rep today given it's a much different place with less capable people on average than they used to have is another question.

Outside of a handful of very senior partners at the firm (e.g. two specific partners from pre-IPO era, Waldron who is by all accounts a super talent, some others), GS loses its best advisory/trading/investing talent to the buy-side and F500s where people have way more professional and financial upside. Junior talent is sometimes laughably bad, particularly at analyst-VP level where DEI was big factor (sorry if not PC, just speaking from experience). Wasn't always the case and it is sad to see how much the firm has diminished, but it does still maintain the prestige / perception of competence among people who don't know any better, if not the reality.

PS - Jeff should not be mentioned in the same breath as any of the above firms. They have been on a tear in M&A league tables lately but most people that I know in finance do not think of it as being anywhere near as relevant as GS and the culture is beyond terrible.

 

One thing I want to add: you should focus on enjoying your time in college and building relationships with cool people who come from different social or economic backgrounds from you. Your education in undergrad comes as much from talking to people outside of the classroom as it does in lectures and I wish I spent more time actually enjoying being a student. You'll have a lifetime to think about / stress over finance bullsh*t, for now the biggest piece of advice I would share with you is to focus on making the most of your youth and enjoying life dude. 

 

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