Let's say I'm calculating Total Debt (including present value of operating leases) to EBITDA. Would it make sense for me to add back rent expense to EBITDA, i.e. use EBITDAR instead?
No need for PV of Op Leases. If leases are significant, then you should probably do a lease-adjusted leverage of: (Total Debt + 8*Operating Leases [multiple depends on industry]) / EBITDAR
Also note that it is only useful to look at adjusted EV/EBITDAR if leases are material and vary across your comparables. Some examples of industries where this may be meaningful are supermarkets (some companies own their property, some have leasebacks, etc), and airlines (different airlines have varying lease:own ratios for their fleet)
Help on EBITDAR Calculation (Originally Posted: 02/08/2010)
I really need help on this.
In the calculation of EBITDAR (rent expense), do you capture op lease expense for the equipment as well...? SEC filings don't really break out between lease expense for Real Estate vs. equipment so I am at a loss now and trying to see if any folks here know the clear-cut definition / methodology.
how significant of a number is it? i would not include it if the number is tiny and just footnote it. although normally you would capture the equipment part if it is operational
You include/exclude it based on how important of a number it is. Not in order of magnitude, but as in how indicative it is of the company's performance.
There is a VERY specific reason EBITDAR is used in lieu of EBITDA as a performance metric for certain companies/industries and you need to understand why it is the appropriate metric to be using. Then, using that same line of thinking, is the equipment lease expense similarly 'masking' the company's performance?
The real issues in using alternative earnings metrics are:
- is it the appropriate metric? What is the benefit of excluding equipment leasing expenses from EBITDAR
- comparability to the company's historic performance and future projections
- comparability to the industry
The above poster is obviously lazy and bottom bucket... don't take his advice unless you want to be the same.
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No. The 8x comes into play when you're capitalizing operating leases for credit metric purposes. This is how rating agencies look at debt. So:
Total Debt / EBITDA becomes (Total Debt + 8x Rent Expense) / (EBITDA plus Rent)
learn more about difference in operating lease and finance lease and this will become clear!
But how do you justify the 8x multiple?
I found this: http://www.kisrating.com/report/moodys_report/%ED%8F%89%EA%B0%80%EB%B0%…
The multiple varies by industry, but for retail typically 8x, and 8x is best rule of thumb
ebitdar (Originally Posted: 06/26/2012)
Let's say I'm calculating Total Debt (including present value of operating leases) to EBITDA. Would it make sense for me to add back rent expense to EBITDA, i.e. use EBITDAR instead?
No.
No need for PV of Op Leases. If leases are significant, then you should probably do a lease-adjusted leverage of: (Total Debt + 8*Operating Leases [multiple depends on industry]) / EBITDAR
Both methods can be used (PV and multiple). S&P takes PV whilst Moody's uses a multiple.
For a list of multiples for various sectors, see: www.elfaonline.org/cvweb_elfa/product_downloads/mlac06rtngagen.pdf
Also note that it is only useful to look at adjusted EV/EBITDAR if leases are material and vary across your comparables. Some examples of industries where this may be meaningful are supermarkets (some companies own their property, some have leasebacks, etc), and airlines (different airlines have varying lease:own ratios for their fleet)
Help on EBITDAR Calculation (Originally Posted: 02/08/2010)
I really need help on this.
In the calculation of EBITDAR (rent expense), do you capture op lease expense for the equipment as well...? SEC filings don't really break out between lease expense for Real Estate vs. equipment so I am at a loss now and trying to see if any folks here know the clear-cut definition / methodology.
Thanks in advance for the help!
how significant of a number is it? i would not include it if the number is tiny and just footnote it. although normally you would capture the equipment part if it is operational
You include/exclude it based on how important of a number it is. Not in order of magnitude, but as in how indicative it is of the company's performance.
There is a VERY specific reason EBITDAR is used in lieu of EBITDA as a performance metric for certain companies/industries and you need to understand why it is the appropriate metric to be using. Then, using that same line of thinking, is the equipment lease expense similarly 'masking' the company's performance?
The real issues in using alternative earnings metrics are: - is it the appropriate metric? What is the benefit of excluding equipment leasing expenses from EBITDAR - comparability to the company's historic performance and future projections - comparability to the industry
The above poster is obviously lazy and bottom bucket... don't take his advice unless you want to be the same.
haha, thanks for your comments on me - 1st part is true, but not the 2nd part.
but yes i agree with your answer, it's best practice.
How do you calculate EBITDAR? Thanks.
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