Advice for Job Seekers

SAS, matlab; really??

can i have your number op

KMZZ, SAS and MATLAB are unique to each other and widely used in various industries. Unless you are already an expert in both (I can a spot a faker a mile away if you'd like to test me), I highly recommend learning the two. A lot of people don't know how to use these applications. Personally, if you were a mediocre student but had a strong grasp of either one, I'd rank you as a top candidate.

Blastoise, please send me an e-mail if you have any additional questions. I can provide advice and direction to some extent. Remember though, if you are asking for a job from me... I'm going to blow you off.

Blastoise = troll

I think this is an absolute shit post. Encouraging people to look for jobs via monster.com - really? Learning skills via youtube - really? Whatever I guess..advice on this forum gets shittier by the moment.

JD

I don't want a job, but I would love some resume advice....if willing?

how are you cold emailed all day? Most hedge funds (at least ones that aren't chop shops) barely have websites let alone email addresses of employees. Furthermore, how are you stalked walking into the building? Do you wear your firm's vest/fleece/whatever else type of clothing with firm name out of the building? If you hate being approached so much, don't be so fucking obvious. Regardless, don't come onto a forum that is supposed to help prospective monkeys and encourage them to not be proactive. Dumbass.

JD

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Frankie's advice is overall solid. Don't see anything wrong with it. Still confused as to how he's getting cold call and e-mails constantly and getting stalked in his apartment building.

Yea, I agree. Just because he doesn't offer a JOB doesn't mean the ADVICE is horrible. I think anyone will tell you in networking it is essential to respect the counterpart y if they have something you really, badly want.

So just because he is a cocky and successful guy, and is not offering a job on a platter, no need to hate......

It really just depends on people's personalities. Those who have been given a break at one point in their lives are usually willing to give others a break too. I know I am, I usually respond to people's cold emails if the person seems qualified.

If you grew up upper middle class, coasted through on campus recruiting and live on the upper east side, you probably can't emphasize with those in more desperate situations.

Telling people to apply for high finance positions through monster.com? give me a break

I have a question. Article number 3 you refer to skills and programs. What programs are most popular and widely used in the industry and how can I get a hold of them to learn from?

This post is GAY. Can I still say that?

I can confirm that after getting SAS Certified, you can get a 100K a year job at 23.

Before I get flamed for a stupid reason, I'd just point out that i meant "empathize", not "emphasize"

Wow I can't believe I read this far down. This thread is a waste of everybody's time and a testament to the arrogance it seems Frankie goes through life with. I mean who can't agree with what he says about people doing that, but way to give the most generic advice I've ever heard and still manage to sound pompous, YA DICK.

I'm a rising senior currently working on networking for a job for next year and I certainly do the things you mention and it's going well, but it's still ridiculous if you aren't from a target school and nobody in your family works on wall street. This advice is in line with what may work, but how about some better advice on what to do rather than what not to do? I.e. my friend the other day came up with a genius idea and posted it on here about us attending a career fair of a target school even though we don't go there. How about next time you get mad about these "tons of cold-callers" you write genius advice like that, or better if that's in your repertoise rather than ripping into the poor souls who probably spent hours searching before being pumped to come up with your contact information. (speaking of which: stop dodging JimmyDormandy's question because I think everybody that posted in here is confused about how you're such a celebrity that people are blowing up your phone all day--as a job hunter I've searched far and wide for such information and it's pretty hard to come by, so either stop being an arrogant dick to the people who go through such lengths to find you or do a fucking better job of concealing your identity).

Also, you say that people with lackluster academics/experience should acquire special skills like SAS that "aren't typically taught in institutions." Ahhhhhh wait a minute let's back that up there. SAS, one of the most prevalant, if not the most prevalent, statistical analysis software in the world ISN'T typically taught at institutions? Give me a fucking break the non-target school I go to taught me SAS, Java C++ and Mathematica (similar to MatLab but not as common-like I said it's a target school so I think we don't have MatLab because it's too expensive, even MORE of a testament to how common SAS is in upper-level educational institutions). ^--So far from my personal research I feel like Excel VBA is actually the most common programming application used on wall street, so how come we shouldn't be learning that 'SPECIAL' skill instead of SAS or something? Or is it because you think it's more unique? I feel like applicability is more important than your level of uniqueness, just saying.

Well, unfortunately I believe that there are many Frankie's out there. So don't bash him; you may not like his attitude but he represents the attitudes of a lot of managers. That being said, I have a few questions for you Frankie....

1. I've always wondered why managers/business professionals don't like active job seeking during networking events. I mean, everybody knows that everybody wants something (good old Eurythmics). And isn't that what business is all about? So what is so wrong about being straight forward about wanting a job? I mean, be cool and discretely express yours smarts, but also express that you're in the job market and interested in your conversation partner's given industry (if you are, of course). What are your thoughts Frankie?

2. I've had two internships now, and I've read a lot of job seeking. Primarily, I've heard that learning specific programs (Bloomberg, Metlab, SAS, QRM, etc) isn't the best use of your time/money because they are so specific to the given company and those skills can be learned so quickly on the job. I mean if you're a legit expert, that's one thing, but if you just are familiar then well its a small plus. What are your thoughts on that, Frankie?

(**I think he is really right about the YouTube comment. Unless you love class and have $2Blow, why take a class teaching you about a program you don't KNOW you'll ever use? That sounds more dumb than spending a few hours watching Metlab tutorials.)

Thanks for the response.

Bankn: - it's MATLAB, not Metlab - Bloomberg, a reporting hub, is nothing like MATLAB or SAS....