Faking Diversity
(Please note that I am NOT trying to start a debate on diversity programs nor picking a side) I see a lot of threads on diversity programs here, and often people advice students to claim / pretend to be black / Hispanic / gay in order to get into IB. I understand non-URM's frustrations but do you guys not think it's dangerous to give this advice. I know HR doesn't check stuff like that but with the way society is right now, if anyone from the bank found out that you were not an URM like you claim to be and that you lied (and was in favor of diversity programs), it would get called "cultural appropriation" and (whether you think it's bs or not,) it would inevitably have a very negative impact on your career. I just think it's risky to advice kids to lie about stuff that banks' claim to take seriously especially with everything becoming more socially liberal with time. Thoughts?
Will note that I am already in IB, not asking for advice. Just trying to look out for these kids’ futures
I don't give a shit. I fully endorse faking diversity. There is no need to "follow the rules" of a fundamentally unjust practice. This is civil disobedience, and anyone who practices it is willing to take the risks.
I get where you’re coming from but the point isn’t whether it’s fair or not, the point is that giving this advice to kids could seriously hurt their careers in the long run if they do this.
Genuine question, do you not think that’s risky/careless to recommend to students to do this?
I hope they are smart enough to know the risks of this decision. I guess this post itself can be a good caution.
Imagine you claim to be Hispanic. Someone liberal at your bank finds out and reports to either the senior or HR and you lose your job. Not only that, you are now seen as someone who doesn’t care for diversity/racism and if the news spreads, it will be hard to go to another firm because all the firms want to be seen as caring about diversity / inclusion
Imagine this scenario.....you accuse someone of not being hispanic at your bank and they really are....you lose your job and have a tough time getting another one.
I think it's a risky proposition on both ends. Unless I had a copy of someone's birth certificate, I would not accuse a potential faker of anything.
Again, I am fully aware of the risks and I don't give a shit about them. When we talk about Rosa Parks sitting in the white section of the bus, we don't ask, "Oh my god, was she aware of the risks?" Fuck the risks. She acted her conscience and stood up against an insulting, immoral practice. I don't care about risks if I'm standing up for what I believe is a just and moral cause. I hope everyone violates these programs to a point where they become obsolete. Have you seen The Incredibles? When everyone is diversity, no one will be.
the real question is do banks actually care for diversity or they are doing it to please the public.
It won’t matter. A classmate of mine spoke no Spanish and looked aryan. Turns out his grandpa is Argentinian. He ended up in the diversity recruitment for soph SA
This is legitimately impossible
This post is backwards and sad. It shows that if you did miss out on job opportunities it has little to do with you being white and more to do with your lack of critical thinking.
Diversity hires follow a trend of historical discrimination against minorities in job opportunities for the past 245 years. If you want to blame someone for any perceived slight, yell at your dad and grandpa for their lack of civil disobedience in fighting against racism.
First of all, I'm not white. I'm Asian. Second, I haven't missed out on anything. I go to a T10 university and I have my top choice internship lined up for next summer. In fact, your post shows your lack of critical thinking. If the goal is to end discrimination against minorities, then make the resume screen anonymous and have a person of the same race be the interviewer. That is as fair and "race-blind" as we can get. Not by giving out opportunities to black people from Greenwich at the expense of the Asian from the lower middle class. Diversity hiring is backwards and unmeritocratic, and it does nothing to stop discrimination. It is discrimination in and of itself.
Lol what? You’re saying XYZ got job by lying about being Hispanic so they need to shoot for bottom bucket or else they get fired? Bruh
How is anyone going to really know your family isn't really from South Africa even though you are white and claim to be "african-american"?
Race they’ll figure out fairly easily, but sexual orientation is very diverse and hard to judge. If any I would go with the latter.
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Elizabeth Warren is doing pretty well
Honestly, go for it. F the BS diversity system.
Hear me out. If you can BS into the system, then so be it. Cost benefit this, as in, if you get it, get the internship and then jump ship for the next recruitment. Get a diversity sophomore year internship and then go to another firm for junior year. The junior year internship won’t know if you don’t list it as diversity and now you’re in. Boom
Associate in Interview: Ah Ching Ling, nice to meet you.I see you’re a healthy representative of the Black African American community.
Counterpoint:
Elizabeth Warren
If you really don’t have much dignity or self respect for who you actually are, easiest and best one to fake is being part of the LGBTQ community. Be careful though, it’s likely you’ll be invited to join their inner corporate group and the rest of those members will probably figure you’re a a fraud. Problem is this will trail with you throughout your firm so although it may help you break in, now that’s a part of your professional identity and it’ll certainly follow you especially if you plan on rising through the ranks. I actually thought about it myself but had too much self dignity and respect. I also thought it out in this fashion. It’s not a solid strategy. Only way I see it working is if you transfer cities after your big LGBTQ break in
I don’t agree:
- On one hand, you’re not obligated to join that affinity group in the first place. It’s not like HR can broadcast “hey we hired this guy cause he’s gay.”
- If you did join the affinity, how are they (sorry for assuming their pronouns) going to prove you’re not LGBTQ. Are you only going to believe my pronouns are she/they if I colored my hair pink and have a nose ring?
It’s like closely held religious beliefs. It’s one of the hardest things to disprove as no one can say what you truly believe. I remember a guy I met in the Army had his religion on his military ID as “Jedi.” Not joking. Bottom line is it would be impossible for anyone to disprove and even them attempting to do so would probably expose the firm to a lawsuit. End of the day, the firm just wants to be able to say it’s diverse so a bunch of hippies don’t Vance them
I'm 100% Han Chinese born in Beijing raised in California.
On the diversity application I was actually born in Xinjiang and grew up Muslim. Family had to change our last name due to Han persecution. Go ahead and fly over there and check the record, I promise you will find that everything is accurate.
Bro that’s smart asf
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