Rejections breaking me mentally
I recently had an interview with a UMM PE for an internship. Before the interview, I'd talked to a friend who went through the same process and won an offer, like he did at another MF and MBB. He told me about the format (2 interviewers, 30 min each) and content, so I prepared in the 2 days I had between the invite and interview.
The interview went amazing, probably even one of the best I've ever had. Walking through the paper LBO was like a breeze, no stumbles, no wrong calculations, and the interviewer seemed visibly impressed. I asked very specific wrap-up questions about their portfolios to highlight my interest in the PE and connected well with my interviewers. Overall, a great interview. I even told my parents and very close friends about how I felt about it, something I don't usually do. That was Friday. When the clock hit 6.00 pm on Monday (yesterday), I knew I was getting rejected. I know this feeling, it's typically accompanied by overthinking the interview and experiencing severe impatience and anger.
Up until today, I've had 99 interviews in total. The vast majority, about 98%, in IB and PE.
I thought that at some point I'd be able to develop sort of a hunch when it comes to interpreting interview performance. But all I'm able to tell is that if I feel an interview went bad, it's a rejection. If it went well, it's a rejection, too. Great pattern.
I've been in 8 processes since 2020. Didn't get a single offer. The furthest I came was for a T1 BB FT position, ended up being among the top 3 candidates but got rejected when I botched my 10th interview, as I added cash to EV. The second the interview was over, I cried. I've had several internships at T2 IB and EBs and yet in an interview situation I couldn't get it right.
Equally devastating was my AC at a T4 IB. A joke that I even had to apply there. Had to prepare a case study with a DCF for a public company. I spent so much time on it, even did a DCF with mid-year convention and stub periods. In hindsight, I was even spot on with my share price target. When I chatted with other interviewees during interview breaks, I realized just how weak my competition was. Most didn't even do a valuation for their case studies because they simply didn't know how. I was the only one from a top target, with a second language and with prior IB experience. Yet, I got rejected.
Likewise, I interned at an EB at their regional office and bonded with a senior there who referred me to the EB's London office. Applied to the LDN internship position and told my senior contact, who really made an effort. When, after weeks of waiting, I still didn't hear back, I emailed HR, a guy I even know from my prior internship with the EB. Only got a standard response although the EB prides itself on 'teamwork' and what not. Got rejected. Second shot this year for an OC position, only this time around I first send an email to HR outlining mitigating circumstances for some poor HS performance. HR didn't even give a sh*t responding to my email, which is still making me so so angry.
In my internship at the T2 IB there was a girl who was really stupid. She was slow at talking and thinking, and she was very stubborn and incandescently insecure. Judging from my talking with her, she didn't have a clue about IB really. But she is now interning at a reputable MM PE where I was rejected two years ago. At that time I thought my interview performance could have been slightly improved, but still nowhere near the level where her capabilities are. Another intern from that firm now also interns at a MM IB which rejected me straight away recently.
These things I just don't get. I have a better profile than these people, experience at EB and a lower BB stint lined up. Yet, I get rejected.
This is something that is making me really worried. People that 1-2 years ago were far weaker profile-wise suddenly catch up with me at warp speed. While they're improving, I don't. I'm idling. That's why the UMM interview was so important to me, it would've given me the chance to edge out the majority of competition out there, but again premonition and post-interview pattern tells me that I failed. I've applied to maybe 20 openings recently, and I only got that UMM PE interview and a HF pre-screen with a recruiting agency. Of course, people would say that there are better candidates and bla bla. That's what they said for the MM PE back then but given that they took in this girl, it's obviously as BS as the HR from that London EB. Or people tell me it's been personal fit or some other intangible BS excuse. But how are they consistently acing their interviews with starkly different bank cultures while I don't?
Fail. Fail. Fail.
I track all my interviews, meetings, business events, etc on a spreadsheet. And I mean, every detail of them - there is no pattern I can detect why I am successful or why I fail in an interview process. There is enough data to see patterns if there were any.
Therefore the single most important lesson I learned so far is how to deal with rejection after a job interview process. When I don't get a job, I really don't care that much and go for the next role/company. that is the only way out of the situation.
Yeah keeping entries on Excel is the way to go. I used to have a sheet with a bunch of different details for each job app, including: location, title, job description, job website, their listed salary, my minimum listed salary, key contacts.
Is this is an exhaustive list of details? If not, what other things should I add? I’m a freshman and want to start tracking my applications/interviews.
Rejections get easier over time and with quantity.
Just remember, you could be like me and have been fired 4 times in 5 years, 3 for performance.
This makes me think that you're not getting offers because you have an attitude problem. Calling someone dumb and insecure for not knowing everything as as intern isn't appropriate or accurate. Maybe she appeared that way because she wanted to assure that she was getting the right information and doing everything correctly the first time around. Doesn't sound like your assessment of her was correct as she got the internship you got rejected for.
If you think you're entitled to these positions because of your background, interviewers will pick up on it and it pushes them away. Management wants to hire people who are smart, but also positive, humble, and coachable. A know it all candidate with a pompous attitude isn't very attractive. Stop thinking so much about other people "with weaker profiles" and start directing your energy to improving yourself.
I could be completely wrong but that is the vibe I get from this post. Adopt a positive mindset, be more humble, and smile more. It goes a long way.
OP sounds like a pretentious fuck, no wonder why you don't get the job. You think you know more than all the other candidates out there, and while maybe you might be technically stronger than them, you seem to lack the most important aspect for IB/PE, a personable attitude and humility.
No one wants to work with someone who thinks they're better than everyone without even having worked full-time in the industry just because they went to a top target and have good experience.
You need a reality check ASAP and maybe take these rejections as there is something wrong with YOU rather than there is something wrong with these banks.
PS - I got an offer at a top BB with 3.4 GPA from a semi-target and good experience purely due to the fact that I present myself as hungry, eager to learn, and personable.
I tried to be as nice as possible typing that out lmao. Congrats on your offer!
I withdrew my application before they could reject me. At least this way I stay ahead of them and control my own fate
Something about your personality is stopping them from offering you the job, and it seems to be your entitled attitude
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