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Uh...so, basically, you're complaining about a massively subsidized Penn education?
Be an econ major, get good grades, transfer to Wharton. Oh, and don't complain. It's a good place to be.
You need like a 3.7 to 3.8. Easier than you'd think, but certainly not something you can count on, and I wouldn't ruin your freshman year trying to do it. I'm a Wharton student but I'll be the first to say cas students get banking/consulting jobs all the time and are not "shit on" by wharton kids, wherever you heard that from. Most high schoolers just have misconceptions that Wharton students take up all the spots at banks but they want a variety of people. A cas student with a 3.9 is better off than a whartonite with a low gpa. Penn is awesome and I would go here without a doubt, whether you end up in wharton or not you will be way better off for banking recruiting than a non-ivy/stanford/mit school and have a great college experience.
so sad when stupid shitheads like you get in and awsome applicants i interviewed didn't make the cut..am seriously rethinking my alumni donations
UPenn CAS >>> UVA, Cornell, Mich and plenty of other schools that place very well on wall street. You'll be just fine, not like Silver Lake from Undergrad fine but BB banking is easily attainable if you do well.
How dumb are you? You can major in Art History at uPenn and get IB internships left and right.
I know a couple people who transferred from CAS to Wharton with a 3.5. The process is now holistic. Make sure you take a reasonably difficult schedule and have good EC's/leadership.
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Penn CAS (Originally Posted: 08/11/2010)
Is anyone here a student (current or former) at Penn CAS? I would really like to transfer to Penn; either Wharton or to the college. I'm interested in hearing how big of a difference the education and community is between Wharton and non-Wharton students. If any of you are out there, please contact me I would like to hear from you.
You'll be fine at Penn, Wharton or otherwise.
i never met a CAS at Silver Lake
There are definitely differences between whartonites and non whartonites. It is sort of a joke, but many people consider us money hungry and only concerned with careers. I feel that there are definitely many people like that. The drive of some of these kids is unmatched. I will say the wharton experience has changed my life, how i view the world, and how i view my future. Penn has so many opportunities. I mean if you have a specific question i can answer it, but there are definitely differences. I know some of the kids in cas haven't lived up to what i thought "ivy league students" would be, but wharton has been everything i could have hoped for.
I know Wharton has a vast amount of clubs in basically any financial interest that exists, are these clubs limited only to Wharton students or can CAS students join as well? Also I've heard that many employment events sometimes read "Wharton Only" is this "discrimination" really a thing found within the school. It seems like a plausible thing that some employers are only interested in Wharton students, but I'd like to know the legitimacy of this rumor. Beyond that, the ability to take Wharton classes while in CAS is appealing but would not being accepted in Wharton show that you are not a "fit" for Wharton and therefore your performance would be lackluster in a Wharton course? Specifically because you have noted with some CAS students that you know of.
Clubs are open to whoever wants to join them, but to get on the board, you'll need to be econ or business. I wouldn't say being part of the fiance or consulting club will get you a job, you'll be up against stifffff competition, but it can expose you to what the field is like. I've never been to a wharton only event, i always go to things with my cas/engineering friends and they fit in, mind u they do have interest in business. About employers only recruiting whartonites, that's absolutely true. Some not all employers know what they want. For example, some employers only want M and T dual degree students, the cream of the crop, and I would not get an interview with them. But if you have a skill or mindset that the employers value, you'll get a shot.
about nursing/cas/seas kids taking wharton classes, they can take any wharton class and often do very well. There are finance classes that you have no chance of getting into because whartonites can't even get into them coz they're in such high demand. Know that every wharton class is curved to a B- tho, this can destroy some people's gpa's who are used to nice easy cas classes that have no curves. The wharton curve can be brutal at times, but sometimes it can help your grade.
If you think u can do well and are tough enough to handle the curve where you're curved with some of the smartest kids in the world, give it a try, i know when i first got here, i was a little overwhelmed.
What are the most coveted firms among wharton students? I imagine they're Blackstone private equity, Citadel, Goldman Sachs, SAC Capital, and a few others.
I've never heard of a firm that ONLY wants to hire M&T students. I guess they're the quant hedge funds like AQR or prop trading firms like Jane Street.
Education: Beyond the obvious differences (the actual subjects taught), you will find both good/bad and hard/easy classes in both schools.
Community: To the extent that you spend time with others in class/studying/working on projects, you will spend more time with those in your classes (and therefore, more often than not, in your school). Similarly, you may have friends you get to know just by being in class with them, which could enrich your friend group with more people from your school. Generally speaking, though, your school won't affect the vast majority of social connections/interactions you would have at Penn - the Greek community is huge and you'll find people from both in every frat/sorority, for instance. And it goes without saying that people from both will be out at bars.
Also, to address a few of the common comparisons made: - Yes, College students can go through Penn taking fewer difficult classes. In my opinion this is due to greater flexibility in classes to choose from for CAS requirements in comparison to Wharton's rigid core - No, not all CAS classes are easy. Many have an even nastier curve than Wharton, and others just cover extremely difficult subject matter. There are some majors in which every class is this way - That said, you definitely can find easy classes more easily than you would in Wharton, and even complete a few majors with a majority of easier classes - I don't recall any Wharton only events, though there may be a few. Every company info session and career fair is open to anyone at the University - CAS students can join Wharton clubs as well - Some job postings do list that they are looking for Wharton (or even specific concentrations), but nearly every firm will consider CAS students (with the possible exception of Silver Lake, as mentioned above. I've never seen a CAS kid there either) - As goes for anyone in Wharton as well, grades/experiences/connections will be key for getting interviews/jobs. The extra step a CAS student would have to take that a Whartonite might not is to truly demonstrate an interest in finance/consulting/whatever field you are applying for
If you have any more specific questions I can try to answer them as well.
-Macaque
Thanks for the help so far guys your input has been valuable so far. I go to school in Philly already so if anyone wants to meet up or anything that would be fine by me.
Did any of you guys know Jed Cairo at Wharton? He did the 5-year BS/MBA program and completely dominated Wharton. Got a job at KKR straight out of school.
Don't know Jed, but i know the mba/ug program is really hard to get into. But the firms that are most coveted are def the big consulting firms headed by McKinsey, Goldman/Morgan, for banking/S&T.
I think that whether you're in wharton or CAS, as long as you get a high gpa, network, and show that you're smart and can think on your feat and learn quickly, what you concentrate in is irrelevant. Most do finance for obvious reasons.
I agree with the above post about some cas being tough. Math major for instance is known for being tough. Language courses are nice fluff, they're great for beefing up a GPA. The wharton curve can be frustrating, but once you're through the tough core, it's pretty smooth sailing.
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