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Realistically I can't imagine someone being Pro Trump before the debate then voting for Biden after the debate because of Biden's performance. BUT...I can see a Biden voter flip to Trump depending on how Biden does
Agree. Biden will be on all kinds of juice tonight to get him through.
probably the same cocktail that he drank at the last SOTU
Sounds more like he drank a bottle of red wine
wow...i didn't realize how bad it was.
Biggest hope that they don't completely abuse the ability to mute contestants...
I think it's adorable anyone thinks this will actually matter. There is literally nothing after the last 4 years Biden could say that would make someone voting for Trump switch to him, no matter how good the drugs they hop him up on are, and the same is true for the people voting for him. RFK is a non-factor and I'm betting performs even worse than the Libertarian candidate, who in turn will likely be their worst performing nominee of the last decade (he got the nomination through trickery/slight of hand, not popular support even amongst Libertarians). If someone wants to make the "independents haven't chosen yet" argument, I have a bridge to sell you because the polls show otherwise.
This whole thing can probably be summed up as Biden repeating ad nauseam that Trump's a convicted felon and Jake Tapper hitting the mute button on Trump who will constantly try to interrupt/get belligerent even though he should've known exactly what he's walking into by agreeing to do this on CNN. That said, I bet you could make a fun drinking game out of it - pick a side, every time Biden gaffs or Trump gets muted, do a shot.
Edit: Wow I was wrong. Trump did way better than expected, giving CNN the ability to turn off his mic and force him to be concise worked to his benefit. Biden just looked lost and had so many gaffs if I drank on all of them I'd go blind. Legit elder abuse.
Gotta MS this given that every prediction you made was incorrect.
Hey man I'll happily be wrong on all accounts for this one! I honestly thought this would be a total waste of time given the ability to mute candidates thinking Trump wouldn't stfu like the last time they debated, assumed CNN would more or less try and support Biden (whereas they asked him some brutal questions), and thought Biden would be on enough uppers to seem as coherent as he was for SOTU. Instead Trump was actually less of a belligerent asshole managing to stay on topic and get in some zingers (the response to Biden's claim of a 6 handicap in golf was gold), CNN was surprisingly middle of the road on most points, and Biden was the most corpse-like he's ever been on a stage. Bury me in shit for being so little of faith!
Debates are partly about policy and partly about ones personality. Trump knows very little about policy and is very combative. Biden would have show severe cognitive decline for Trump to have any chance of winning this debate. It would be very difficult for Trump to contain himself and act appropriately. He is going to interrupt all night and talk over the moderators
There will be no interruptions tonight. The mics will be turned off if it is not their chance to speak.
How pampered is Biden. They protect him like a child
Well, that is kind of boring
They better ask them about UFOs. Sick and tired of the lies
The only conspiracy theory i believe in is the ufos. No way all these US fighter pilots are lying about seeing them for no reason and destroying their military careers in the process. It’s not like jack and John were smoking weed late at night swore they saw ufos, the pilots that are reporting them are some the most qualified observers on the planet. They are trained to be able to identify every type of aircraft known to man and yet the UFOs remain a mystery to them.
Never had time to pay attention, and I genuinely don't know what to make of their claims
Republicans have spent the last four years claiming Biden can barely complete a thought, and the past month deceptively editing videos, effectively setting the bar so low that if he speaks in complete sentences, he will massively outperform expectations. Meanwhile Trump has spent the last few months rambling nonsensically about sharks and electrocution - hence all of the talk of these mysterious wonder drugs that Biden will supposedly be on tonight. They realized they fucked up.
That said, debates are a dumb relic of the past and no one is changing their mind after tonight, including everyone here.
This comment aged like Biden
That’s pretty funny. He looked like shit tonight.
clown
Says the dude who made his name “Ben Simmons”
The videos were never edited. You were denying reality and just kept telling people they didn't see what they saw. Now it's in plain sight.
If you don't have cable, here's the live link:
Biden apparently had 16 debate advisors and has been practicing 'standing' for 90 min.
Biden isn’t doing that well starting off. Very low energy.
"We have a thousand trillionaires in America" - Joe Biden
The speech impediment slip ups don’t bother me. He’s always done that. But shit he seems much older than he even did a few months ago.
I havent heard him speak since probably the SOTU. Was surprised how low energy and elderly he sounds.
Agree completely
LOL, this is with out a doubt the most boring thing I have ever seen. I've seen paint dry.
Tbf politics is supposed to be a bit boring.
I watched a few min and had some laughs, but the content is just boring af.
"I didn't understand what he said at the end. In fact, I think even he doesn't understand what he himself said at the end."
Yeah that’s going to get replayed a lot. Smacked the shit out of him.
Biden speaks like he’s trying to read off prepared comments and conveys them badly.
Biden is losing hard. Trump lost some steam with the Jan 6 topic though.
This whole thing has been:
Trump: Blatantly Lies
Biden, vacant, 172 years old: “…You’re wrong”
Awful
Both siding this won't work. This was a smackdown.
Nah, Trump was incoherent, illogical, and flat out lying most of the night.
Everyone talking about Biden today just shows how bad he really was. Truly awful. It doesn’t mean though that Trump did a good job or looked good either.
Can we go back to Obama vs. Romney, please?
The same Romney Dems accused of being an animal abusing sexist who planned to re-enslave black people and who was responsible for his employee dying of cancer? This is why so many of us don’t take many criticisms of Trump seriously. Dems accused Romney of being nothing short of Hitler and now people are like, “can we have Romney back?”
Same Romney that conservatives bashed for not being conservative enough
Yeah because the right didn’t overreact to Obama at all…
Please cite evidence for this claim.
Just because you heard it on Fox, doesn't mean anyone actually said it.
And for what it's worth, this is why conservatives in this country are such a problem. What, because someone made an outlandish claim about Mitt Romney, the extremely justified complaints about convicted felon Donald Trump are somehow invalid? How about examining something on it's merits?
The far more widespread (and laughable) claim that Hillary Clinton was running a child sex trafficking ring from under a pizza parlor doesn't mean I don't take allegations about Biden's mental acuity seriously. That's the difference between a liberal and a conservative in modern America - for us, facts and reality matter. For you, reality is a nasty place that forces you to confront your essentially morally and intellectually bankrupt political philosophy, so you shy away from it.
This is fucking embarrassing. CNN fact checks nothing, they argue about their golf scores, Trump lies out of his ass as usual, and Biden has never looked older.
The US is not ok.
If your biggest point is that Trump lied, that's pretty bad. After watching these debates for decades, lieing and twisting facts is basically the norm.
You wanna talk lies. Go to any of Biden's answers on immigration during the debate. Those were egregious lies.
Also, if you've been mentally incapable of doing your job as president for the past few years and others have been making decisions for you, doesn't that make Biden a WAY bigger liar?
30 point spread.
It would be unreal if this debate led to Newsom, arguably the worst governor of any state for the last 100 years, getting elected president.
The bar is not high to start with...
He’s done. You can see the gears turning in all the post-commentary from dems. They know he’s not viable. I would be willing to bet they put up Newsom and he still loses by a hair to Trump.
I don’t think it’ll be smart for newsom to go up now, although he will be a strong candidates rn voters are just fed up with the democrats being soft on crime, immigration, etc. Newsom running rn will just destroy his credibility as a candidate for next election.
Newsome is more unpopular than Biden. Let that sink in.
He dropped. Now if he admits he’s not fit to run how can we be confident he can even make it to January?
Even Biden’s walk up to the state was bad.
He has the same blank stare thing that my grandma with dementia had early on. Not even trying to push a point or anything, just sad they are having a guy who is one hip fall away from death running for president. Shocking if they don’t replace him with anyone else before the election…
Trump seemed lower energy than last time too. They are both way too old for this.
This headline proves that Democrats live in a world of 100% gaslighting.
Along with gatekeeping and girlbossing amirite?
Trump lied constantly, which confirms what everyone should have known for a long time. He has no principles whatsoever. Biden appeared to be very frail and weak which was a terrible look. I don't know if it is dementia but there probably has to be a medical reason for his demeanor. It is time for the dems to replace Biden with someone else
I went to bed at the 60-minute mark. Biden is not fit to run for president. I think Newsome and his great hair are the only viable options for Democrats. I keep wondering if Trump wins, will he actually leave after his four year term? That sounds crazy but it's a real fear of mine.
That is the same bullshit "fear" that everyone was saying about Trump when he was elected in 2016. Empirical evidence says that he will leave, he kind of did it in 2021.
Well, except for the conspiracy he organized to keep himself in power, and the murderous mob he summoned to the Capitol to loot the place in his name.
That empirical evidence?
The whole point for or against here is irrelevant because he can't stay in office for a third term unless the law is changed.
Also, for those of you who think that Biden can just be replaced, you are wrong. There are many states out there that have ballot listing policies that require them to put the individual who won the nomination by numerical primary count. So I don't really know how they can do that. Additionally, he could not even be listed on the ballot in a semi swing state because the DNC decided to not read the election rules and scheduled their convention AFTER the hard stop filing deadline in that state. Like what the fuck is going on in that party?
Republicans are going to nominate a felon who kowtows to dictators, doesn’t support NATO, tried to overthrow the government, is running on the unAmerican “Project 2025,” serves as a Trojan horse for Christian fundamentalism, just proposed the dumbest tariff plan I have ever heard, and is generally just a fucking moron.
What the fuck is going on in that party?
Ah here comes the "whataboutism".
Both parties clearly are rotting.
But Trump was a better, more capable president than Biden has been. Under Biden inflation has been disastrous (even if some of the inflation is probably Trump's fault), immigration is unfettered and we have no idea who the millions are crossing our border, and Biden's foreign policy is unimaginably disastrous. He's literally 0 for 3 on the major issues.
Hilarious that Trump "kowtows to dictators" - the war in Ukraine and the Israel-Hamas conflict happened because Biden is the weakest president in our lifetimes. God forbid Trump question whether our allies are carrying their own weight in NATO and question the wisdom of pushing NATO right up to Russia's borders!
Trump's foreign policy was objectively better than Biden's. No major wars, the complete destruction of ISIS, relative peace in the Middle East and moving toward permanent peace between Israel and the regional Arab powers. Biden's weakness and stupidity have led to utter chaos internationally.
Biden sounded like shit. In fact, he sounded like Trump, just with less energy. Completely incomprehensible, directionless, meandering... really poor showing. Bad place for the country to be in is right, with two candidates for POTUS, neither of whom has the mental acuity to complete a sentence.
That being said, first principles are first principles. If it were basically anyone but Trump running I'd probably consider switching a vote, but at least we can expect Biden to leave office without trying to steal an election or overthrow the government.
Ah here comes the "well your guy is just far gone mentally". You people are fucking shameless. Just admit you willingly let the wool be pulled over your eyes for once.
Yeah, my vote would not change based on this debate. I do not trust Trump at all to put the country ahead of his own interests. With that said, the dems should try to figure out a way to replace Biden
Even the media is roasting Biden after that showing
Yeah this is the surprising part, I expected them to vigorously defend him but they seem to be capitalizing on the burning mansion
It’s not actually surprising. It was a shit performance and it is accurately being called shit.
CREtard and Ozy in here trying to do damage control like they're being paid by Biden's campaign is the funniest outcome of this debate lmao
I’ll give you credit for the nickname, but I find it amusing how detached from reality you guys are.
Ozy & I have been consistently critical of Biden throughout this thread. He was atrocious last night. We agree with all of you.
The only thing we are not are Trump supporters, but because of that, we’re “coping” or “running interference” or “retarded.” Totally not a cult though!
Seethe bud. It'll all be ogre soon.
And after the debate it is possible that @CRE is the largest loser of the night after after amassing 100+ Monkey shits in one thread.
CRE if you read this, I know you usually get beat up on threads like this, the monkeys seemed out for blood on this one.
I may have more bananas than all of them combined though 😂
Internet points and the disapproval of 18 year old hardos don’t bother me though. What bums me out is this used to be a place where you could talk and debate politics, but it’s gone to shit - just like political discourse has overall in this country.
No offense, but you are part of the problem.
Biden is obviously senial. You deny just basic common sense. And then we're supposed to have a civil and interesting discussion with people who deny things like the sky is blue and Biden is an old man not capable of running the country.
It's funny that you bring up age. An 18 year old...hell a 12 year old.....why even an 8 year old.....can tell you this guy is senial and doesn't need to be running anything. The only people who don't seem to get it are 40 year old ultra partisan democrats who absolutely refuse to acknowledge reality.
Not sure who the loser is when you are talking smack behind a keyboard.
Not even talking smack, just poking fun
Not particularly notable that a Murdoch owned tabloid is anti Biden
Mainstream media coverage of Biden’s “underperformance” last night signals to me that the political establishment (donors) on the left have effectively given up on Biden. They probably let this first debate be a test but it seems he is being flipped on.
this is how media takes control of the narrative and prepares the stage for maybe a replacement… by signalling to the masses that alternatives are being considered.
Donors are irrelevant here. The media is being honest about the performance. Anyone with pair of eyeballs could tell that Biden's performance was trash. The only one who was not very honest about it was Kamala Harris. I can't fault her for supporting him, though. She just trying to be a team player.
Biden has made countless mistakes in the past and some media has done everything in its power to cover for him and twist and control the narrative, but they aren’t doing that now, which is very telling. That’s my point, i think the simple acknowledgement of the reality of last nights turnout speaks volume
He just had his single largest fundraising day since he launched his campaign.
You are a clown, he pulled out lmao
What a choice for voters this year. An orange criminal and a dementia patient.
Biden's incipient dementia is useful for political science education, since it shows the average person that the president himself doesn't really need to do much in order for the government to function. Biden could actually spend the next four years dozing off in a chair and losing his train of thought without the country's trajectory changing in any meaningful way. A vote for him is really just a vote for the upper figures in the executive branch to be staffed by people on the neoliberal center left. Those people will push some policies in certain directions, and the permanent bureaucrats below them will implement those policies to some extent, or else do what they would have done regardless of the party nominally in power.
If this was true, it’s a great argument to vote for Biden. His administration is far superior to the rejects and grifters Trump would appoint.
Hell, 40/44 of Trump’s former cabinet members refuse to support his current bid. They know he belongs nowhere near the Oval Office.
Yes: if you support the political vision of the neoliberal center left, it's perfectly rational to vote for a mentally challenged Biden, secure in the knowledge that the adults in the room will be wiping the dribble off his chin and tweeting on his behalf as they pursue their chosen policies.
That said, your first and second paragraphs are in tension with each other. In his first term Trump, perhaps foolishly, mostly appointed to cabinet positions establishment Republicans who would have been thrilled with a Jeb Bush presidency. Most of his appointees hated him from the beginning of his campaign, but bit their tongues just barely long enough to get the positions they wanted and push the policies they wanted (often policies at odds with the ones Trump wanted). Then, as soon as they left their positions, they immediately went public with what they had thought all along.
I dunno man, do you think Russia would have attacked the Ukraine if Trump was in office? Also, with Biden looking super weak right now with a clear lack of leadership from the top, China could make a move to take Taiwan. I doubt China would try to take Taiwan with Trump in office.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/21/china/china-taiwan-quarantine-intl-h…
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