Flight Clubs

Hi guys , I'm thinking of taking some flying lessons once this bloody B school season is over and I'm back in the US. I'll be living in NYC , so has anyone from NYC who is not an American joined a good local flight club/taken flying lessons?

Is there some issue with a lengthy verification process for foreigners to take flying lessons in New York? ( Or do they assume since you have a Visa/Green Card , you've been vette already?)

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Or you could try something more fun than getting into a metal cockpit, turning on a noisy engine, and lumbering down a 2000' concrete runway...

http://www.ellenvilleflightpark.com

http://www.mtnwings.com

If you really are interested in flying, I think there is a flight club out at Caldwell Airport in New Jersey. I'm pretty sure you can also take flight lessons at Randall Field in Middletown, NY.

My understanding is that the instructor bears some of the responsibility for vetting students. Also, your typical Cessna can't do too much damage on the ground. If you are from certain middle-eastern countries, probably best to stick to a more suburban than rural airport and probably best to speak with a flawless British or American accent and work for a well-known employer.

But why learn to fly a Cessna when there are much more fun alternatives?

 
IlliniProgrammerOr you could try something more fun than getting into a metal cockpit, turning on a noisy engine, and lumbering down a 2000' concrete runway...

http://www.ellenvilleflightpark.com

http://www.mtnwings.com

If you really are interested in flying, I think there is a flight club out at Caldwell Airport in New Jersey. I'm pretty sure you can also take flight lessons at Randall Field in Middletown, NY.

My understanding is that the instructor bears some of the responsibility for vetting students. Also, your typical Cessna can't do too much damage on the ground. If you are from certain middle-eastern countries, probably best to stick to a more suburban than rural airport and probably best to speak with a flawless British or American accent and work for a well-known employer.

But why learn to fly a Cessna when there are much more fun alternatives?

How safe is your hobby IP? I might want to try it

 
IlliniProgrammer My understanding is that the instructor bears some of the responsibility for vetting students. Also, your typical Cessna can't do too much damage on the ground. If you are from certain middle-eastern countries, probably best to stick to a more suburban than rural airport and probably best to speak with a flawless British or American accent and work for a well-known employer.
 

Modern hang gliders allow you to make it extremely safe if you fly it within the parameters it was designed for and you don't screw up setting the glider up. (We break down gliders to carry them on cars up to launch sites, so every mountain flight normally involves setting up a glider.)

Hang gliding got a dangerous reputation in the '70s because of poor glider design and people without training trying to fly when they were launching downwind or trying to land in a thermal. The designs have improved dramatically (in the picture above, you'll see metal battens in the fabric sail and wires above the sail going to a post above. These help keep the glider stable in a dive and resist a tumble in a stall. Gliders didn't have these before 1980). And these days, you're required to spend 20-30 days on the training hill to get off the mountain. When our instructor started flying in 1974, he took a one day lesson and bought a mail-order hang glider kit that he managed to assemble correctly (if he hadn't, he wouldn't be around to teach.)

So it's a lot more forgiving than it was 40 years ago, but it's an adventure sport, and like any adventure sport, things can go wrong, and errors in judgment and preflights can sometimes carry a heavy price. So preflight your glider correctly and don't do stupid stuff when you are flying.

 
IlliniProgrammerI like to fly. A Cessna is not flying. It is steering a 1000 lb motorized flying vehicle. While you are at it, why not learn to drive a school bus?

Actually , we're both engineers. You know that gliding is , by definition , not flying. Unless you've gotten bored of Cessnas and moved up to F-16s

 

Performance Flight (Westchester County Airport) offers lessons. I did an intro course and am a EU citizen. I flew around Manhattan with an instructor and was in full control. No process. And it's quite normal, screening should only happen at JFK's customs. Once you're in the country, there's no additional security clearance needed, thankfully. It's America, not North Korea!

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ThemistoclesPerformance Flight (Westchester County Airport) offers lessons. I did an intro course and am a EU citizen. I flew around Manhattan with an instructor and was in full control. No process. And it's quite normal, screening should only happen at JFK's customs. Once you're in the country, there's no additional security clearance needed, thankfully. It's America, not North Korea!

SB for you

 

[quote=Abdel]April 30, 2012 Woman falls to her death while hang-gliding in B.C

http://www.montrealgazette.com/travel/Woman+falls+death+while+hang+glid…] He forgot to hook her in. Pilots check, double-check, and triple check the fact that they are attached to their glider before they launch. And someone else always checks too. In this situation, the pilot had been flying solo for quite a while and remembered to make sure he was hooked in but not the customer.

This is why I recommend doing an aerotow if you decide to do a tandem. If you're not hooked in, the glider goes over your head, gets towed down the runway, and takes off with a very confused tandem pilot- and you get to watch the whole spectacle from the safety of the concrete runway.

 
AbdelWas looking at how you guys land, pretty amazing.

However, it really looks dangerous (the landing).

The landing is actually extremely safe. On final, you "stuff" the control bar (pull it in all the way). In other words, you tell the glider to pick up speed and go into a dive, hitting ~40-50 mph. You speed through the gradient (the wind is slower at 20 feet than it is at 200), and you hit final glide where you bleed off your last remaining speed and flare the glider like an eagle landing, and do a no-step landing, which also happens to look really badass.

If you don't like how things are going on final glide, most (wise) pilots install wheels on their glider, and you can land on your stomach and the wheels instead. Or if you're noticing a little instability, you do a more conservative flare and do a 3-4 step landing.

You can get injured if you land when it is gusty or the air is unstable and you get hit by a crosswind gust. This pretty much only happens midday. Some pilots (like me) are afraid of this and ONLY launch after 4PM or land by 10AM.

The reason for the steep final dive is actually an engineering problem called conditioning. At trim (normal flying speed), a glider loses a foot of altitude for every seven feet of distance. That's great when you are flying, but when you try to land, a 43' difference in altitude means a football field in distance. So you dive instead, which makes you give up a foot of altitude for every two or three feet in distance. You also want lots of speed to avoid a stall. I can bore you with the details, or you can spend a day on the training hill.

 

Alright, will keep you posted on my 1st hang gliding experience.

Let's just hope I don't throw up or something during the flight lol.

 

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