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Regular people pay for plague rats in four ways:
1. Worse healthcare. God forbid you have an emergency and you’re treated in a hospital overfilled and understaffed due to COVID
2. Actually Paying for it. Germany and the US have many people who get their healthcare through the taxpayer. Usually I’m in favor of more government involvement in healthcare, but it’s incredibly wasteful when that funding goes to something completely preventable.
3. Breakthrough cases. They’re far less likely but still can harm people.
4. Future mutations. Passing back and forth between unvaccinated people is like a gym for the virus. It can mutate into something stronger that can overcome vaccines.
Therefore, it’s not your god given right to recklessly spread disease because by doing so you burden the public, especially with a cure that is so readily available. Good job Germany!
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Yeah. The obvious answer here is that if you don't want the vaccine, you sign a waiver foregoing healthcare related to COVID or any respiratory illness at all, really.
If several hundred thousand people want to commit suicide-by-virus, that's a net positive for society.
Wow I think this is the first time I saw Drumpfy get a most helpful comment
I wish we were able to do this. However, the vaccine mandates to maintain employment are being challenged in many states. Need to get to the point where this is simply an annual or semi annual booster (flu like) that significantly lessens risk of severe outcome. Will some people get very sick and die? Yes. If more were vaccinated though, it wouldn't be any worse than any other illness.
Yep, the right to spread a disease that gives long-term side effects to 30% of the people it infects... I'm sure the founding fathers had that very important freedom in mind when they wrote the constitution... oh wait, they didn't. Washington inoculated his army against smallpox, even though the process was crude and often deadly. I wonder how he'd feel about a vaccine with a 99.9999% survival rate?
They are now going to lock people down who aren't vaccinated in Germany, in Greece people will get monthly fines if they aren't vaccinated.
It's baffling to me that people are just going along with this madness.All across Europe in high vaccinated countries there are new records of infections all over the place, so people who still think the vaccin stops the spread cant do basic math.
Incompetent politicians just want a scapegoat because they handled this whole epidemic so bad. Blame it all on the unvaccinated.
95% of Vermont residents over age 65 (the ones who are usually hospitalized) are vaccinated. But...
So the unvaccinated 5% is taking the brunt of it. The story is the same as the Florida surge. Plague rats don't get the vaccine -> the virus infects them -> "See the vaccine didn't work!".
https://www.barrons.com/articles/vermont-vaccinations-covid-cases-51637…
Remember this summer when you were celebrating people dying who disagreed with your public policy positions on Covid how I told you over and over again that the southern states were seeing a surge because of the weather and that the northern states would see a surge in the winter and that public policy with respect to masking and lockdowns were not going to change the calculus?
Please show me the 'proof' then.
Also a fact that the vaccine reduces serious illness. That's all that really matters. Does it prevent it all the time? No. Nothing will, it's an infectious disease. I don't care how many people get covid. I care about hospitals being inundated with very sick / infectious people (have two close relatives who work in hospitals and have been on frontlines the whole time). If we were all vaccinated / boosted (like we are for polio, small pocks, and a whole host of other things), covid would exist in the background. Some would get it. Some would even die from it, but it would be far less concerning to the general public. Would go back to the figures of people dying each yr from the flu. We feel bad for them / their families, but we don't change the world because of it. Until we get to that herd immunity, with ongoing boosters (yes even for you antivax folk who already had it - because you'll loose protection over time just like the vax group), this story just repeats.
Now that said, how we handle this is asinine. Mask requirements for fully vaccinated people in crowds of other fully vaccinated people. I'm vaccinated and boosted. I hang with other vaccinated people. There's no reason why I should have to wear a mask, get a test (if I have no symptoms), etc. Will I get it? Maybe. Will it be mild? Yes (statistically almost a guarantee). Will it suck if I get a high fever and be out of pocket for a week? Sure...but who cares. I get sick every yr and have since I had bronchitis as a kid. Common cold knocks me out for a week. Again... who cares?
Seems crazy to me that students in college still are required to wear masks indoors (and outdoors some places.) D attends school in NYC. Is in a performing arts cohort. Small group of 16. They essentially are separated from the rest of the school as their classes are in a studio in Manhattan. They live in the city. 100% of them are vaccinated. 100% of their instructors are vaccinated. So there is essentially no risk. Yet they are required to sing, act, and dance in masks all day every day. What? True! That is just plain stupid. "Well what if they are carrying it and give it to an instructor (who is vaccinated so not easy to do) who has kids at home?" Well, get them vaccinated. It's such a non-issue for people who have taken the necesary steps to protect themselves. Accept for the fact that these antivax fuckers are acting as live hosts for stronger viral load and strains which keeps everything fluid. Morons!
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There is a difference between being an anti vaxxer and anti mandate, this seems to be impossible to apprehend for a lot of people.
Your assumption that if everybody was vaccinated and got the booster of whatever and everything will be fine is not at all in line with reality.
Countries with the highest vaccin rates are having big problems with too much hospital beds being filled with people sick from Covid. And in countries like the Netherlands are reporting that 45 percent are vaccinated people.
Another fact is that almost al people who are on Intensive care units are people with comorbidities. 80 percent is obese, other lifestyle factors. People have had almost 2 years to clean their act up. If you wanna blame the unvaccinated, you should blame fat unhealthy people just as much.
Lets not even start about people who have had covid and have better antibody protection, I think 5 times better Iisraeli data showed. And people who have immune diseases who can't take the vaccine.
https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/at-least-87-of-people-over-65-vaccinated-at…; In May, 87% of 65+ in the Netherlands had at least one shot. That was months ago, the number now is most likely 95% or more. So the fact that the very small fraction of unvaccinated seniors are making up the majority of hospitalizations just shows that vaccines save people.
Fully vaxxed but these are gestapo tactics. The power grab is frightening.
You're just insulting people who suffered from the Nazis. Anti-vaxxers can do anything a normal person could do if they just got a vaccine that billions have taken without consequences. Victims of the Gestapo had no choice.
Almost 20 comments in and nobody so far actually read what the article said?
Germany is including natural immunity into the policy, which is different than what you all have been arguing thus far.
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