gf of 3 years isn't talking to me right now - feeling like it's over

I've been with this girl for over 3 years ago and we went through the final years of uni together and I am now 1 year into my work. I just lateraled into private credit a few weeks ago and she is wokring in M&A. Our relationship has always been rocky, even during uni when both of us had a lot of time (unlike now). Essentially her main issue is that shes insecure about her breasts and feels that they are too small. Before I met her, I had dated a lot and had many 'friends' who were attractive girls. I never thought anything of it and maybe a few months into our relationship she realised I was liking all of these posts by my friends on instagram as well as random girls in bikinis etc. In hindsight, I don't know what I was thinking but that's exactly it - I was not thinking. To me it seemed photos on instagram is not a big deal and does not consitute cheating. 

Anyway, since then over the last few years she has been consistently houling me for anything relating to another girl. If I hold the door open for a 40+ year old mum who clearly used to be hot in her day, its time to argue. If a girl in yoga pants walks past us while we're sat a bench and I don't turn my head 180 degrees away, I'm accused of staring at another woman. The recent one was she went through my phone again as she does periodically (i don't generally mind as I have nothing to hide but it's kind of sad that theres not security), she noticed I liked a pic of a uni classmate who is a very hot girl. I haven't spoken to her in over a year and our relationship is platonic since I love my current gf but of course, another argument. 

I lost my cool the other day and said that our relationship was fucked, this would never end, and that if she keeps pushing me away and driving me insane, I will fall in love with someone else (big mistake in hindsight).

For the last 4 days she never speaks to me unless I come to her / text her first and is completely cold. Pretty sure it's fully fucked right?

I don't even know how to date / get girls anymore to be honest. It was so easy in uni - where do I even start?

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My friend recently got out of a 3+ year-long relationship: how much of those 3 years was you being happy, and how much was just not wanting to break up? The latter doesn't count when evaluating this question imo.

 

Bro, to add, my friend got out of a 6 year relationship with his girl. He’s 30 now. Lived together, became vegan and shit.

Even they broke up like a few weeks ago. Dude had to take a few days off to move 2 time zones across.

So just because you stuck in there for 3 years doesn’t always mean it was a right fit. Plus depends on the age and aspirations, people change, especially more during the real adult years (right out of university when life hits you).

Plus it’s a her problem if you are doing everything right (No liking instagram pictures of hot girls isn’t cheating.)

She is insecure and not confident about herself. You can’t be happy with someone else when you haven’t learnt to be happy with yourself first. Take the adult wisdom, she’s not right for you. I know it sucks right now and it feels you have a void and a desperate feeling to repair it, but you’ll thank yourself in a year. 
People always choose familiar hell over unknown heavens.

 
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I don't see how shes cheating though - we live in the city near our offices and other than work drinks, neither of us spends time away from the place generally. I think it's just a case of arguing non-stop for 3 years eventually wears you down

 
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I don't think she has been (maybe she intends to or something) but man, how can I justify breaking up with her because it feels like shes projecting and is probably cheating. Seems crazy to me?

 

Bullet dodged. Insecure women are the absolute worst and right on track to becoming "the crazy one". Not worth your piece of mind and was only going to make life more stressful as your career progressed. Don't look back bud, just keep moving forward and you'll find a hotter, better, more secure & mature lady in the future. 

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You can start by not being a simp.  Women want men who are a scarce and valuable resource.  Men who choose to be with them, not have to be with them.

Never tell them you love them... instead tell them you love things about them.

Never tell them you will love someone else, instead just  tell them you can move on. The only person you should admit to loving to a woman you are dating is yourself, your family, your friends, and your pets.

Never let them look at your phone. It will only feed their negative emotion and will never NEVER help you gain her trust, only make you look poorly and ruin your aire of mystery..  Flip the script by telling them that invading your privacy in such a manner  directly effects your trust in them and proceed to ask for time apart so you can think over whether that trust can be rebuilt. This is how you put such manipulative women in their place and force accountability on them. 

As for your current situation now. She has you on a leash and she is strangling you with said leash. You have relinquished all your masculine power in the dating dynamic and she is waiting for you to stop being a chump and act like a champ. 

Send her flowers that signify you are sorry with a tiny blank card that says "I respect you but I will never respect this" ... then go no contact for as long as it takes for you to read "The Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene the whole way through,.. preferrably twice . If she reaches out to you, your only response should be... you need some time to cool off and think things over and  I am busy with work and being productive.

Women like  good hearted, generous, smart, strong men who others view and confer with dignity power and respect. Be a high value good guy, not to be confused with a pushover nice guy, which is what your posts have exuded. Your best asset to women is being a scarce and valuable resource who means what he says and knows what is best for himself and others.  Your entire post screams the opposite. You said you will love someone else, but yet here you are asking for advice about the dating game. Once she started ignoring you it was game over, you already lost your status as the leader in the relationship unless you  can show her you will be just fine  (and even better) moving on.  She is giving you an opportunity to prove your worth; your job now is to make her regret it. Even if you don't date other women... focus on yourself and not her and you will show scarcity and resourcefulness. Odds are she will  come running back into your life so that another girl doesnt take over what she lost.

Women have been socially  conditioned to view the quality of a man based entirely on what she thinks he is worth and what the rest of your peers and society thinks about him.  They have also been conditioned to never accept accountability. If  you show low value she will move on, if you show high value, good hearted masculine traits in a positive manner women will stay with you...even if you are cheating on them. Most women today are dating the same men, this is a statistical fact.   But give them an inch of power over you and they will take a mile walking over you and then blame you for all the blisters on their feet.  The only way to force accountability on them for such manipulative tactics is to flip the script and put them in a reflective timeout while you remain productive and increase your inherent value to the rest of women and society.

*Post edited and rephrased due to comments of being "cringe" for sayin harsh truths.

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You can start by not being a simp and learning how to be a pimp. Never tell them you love them... tell them you love things about them. Never tell them you will love someone else that is equally a beta soboi move.

Never let them look at your phone. It will only feed their negative emotion and will never NEVER help you gain her trust, only make you look like a cuck.  Flip the script by telling them that doing so destroys your trust in them having done that and proceed to ask for time apart so you can think over whether  that trust can be rebuilt. 

As for your current situation now. She has you on a leash and she is strangling you with said leash. You have relinquished all your masculine power in the dynamic and she is waiting for you to stop being a chump and act like a champ. 

Send her flowers that signify you are sorry with a tiny blank card that says "I respect you but I will never respect this" ... then go no contact for as long as it takes for you to read "The Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene the whole way through,.. preferrably twice . If she reaches out to you, your only response should be... you need some time to cool off and think things over and  I am busy with work and being productive.

Women like strongwilled powerful men who demand authority and respect. Your entire post screams the opposite. You said you will love someone else, but yet here you are asking for advice and asking how to relearn to date. She is giving you that opportunity and you should make her regret it, even if you dont date... focus on yourself and not her. 

Women have been socially  conditioned since birth to never accept accountability. If you give them an inch they will take a mile and then blame you for all the blisters on their feet.  The only way to force it on them is to flip the script and put them in a reflective timeout. 

Here is a song to get you through the wait

"Keep on Rolling" by King Charles.

You have work to do, Simp. 

This is cringe. Too much redpill youtube talk in here, and too many nevers.

 

Almost everything about the redpill is true. Not only that, but what was controversial about it a decade ago is now basically accepted and aknowledged fact even from chicks. You just have to not talk about it like a sperg because you will look weird 90% of the time in public (better to not even give your opinion on this kind of stuff unless you can do it in a pretty funny and approachable way).

Youtube manosphere grifters didnt create this stuff, they just stole it and sold it. Dont get this confused

 

I don't think this is cringe and actually this was the approach I have always taken (and had success with) in the past having read the book in high school. Things changed when I felt like I fell in love with this girl and wanted to actually build a family with her someday - not just a woman for my personal pleasure. I'm not scared of being alone or complacent - I want to be a fair 50/50 partner with her and will push back on certain things but to be fair, I don't see how stopping her from accessing my phone will build trust. She just needs to realise that liking photos on ig =/= cheating or lusting over other women. How do I make her understand this?

 

Because she is not viewing your media to develop trust, if she trusted you she would not need to look.  She is looking at your social media because she does not trust you and is looking for information to prove herself right.  Its the same thing as letting your girl have access to you bank account, which you should never do... even when married you should keep most of your retirement funds in an account she cannot access (60% of marriages end in divorce, 90% of the time it is women initiating divorce). This is even true if you both work. Whats mine is mine and whats yours is yours should be the motiff... until death, where they inherit the rest.  This is important as I personally know  family members  who have died form mysterious circumstances  later to find their wife inherit their retirement account and quickly find a new man in less than half a year.  I have also seen one member wipe out all bank and financial accounts just before divorce papers are served. You cant get a lawyer if you have no money. A judge cant split assets that dont exist on file anymore.  I have seen my own mother get my father locked up under fictitious assault charges while he was visiting his brother (she found out he was there via messages) so that she can label him as abusive in her divorce court papers. I was literally in the car as a child watching the whole thing.  I say all this as someone who has seen it all and still loves women but understands the way things are.  Women do not love men unconditionally, nor do they trust them and when things go bad they will manipulate every situation to their benefit. 

She  will continue to search your phone indefinitely, invading your privacy, thinking she can learn more about you from your conversations with others and find things to disqualify you or hurt you with. There is zero benefit for you in allowing her access, which you already know. If you had never let her have access to your phone in the first place, we would not be having this discussion and you know it. All her assumptions wouldve just been that, assumptions not based on any fact. 

She isn't viewing your phone and media because she trusts you. She is looking to prove her suspicions. To prove she was right not to trust you in the first place. If she trusted you (which women never do until they get a ring, and sometimes not even after that)  she wouldn't feel the need to.

You cannot reason with women, they have been taught never to accept accountability. If you want to give her full access to your phone, emails, passwords manager, social media, etc....  have at it... the joke will be always be on you. She has nothing to lose and everything to gain unless you put your foot down. You may feel you have nothing to lose, but one day, even your water cooler conversations with your friends will cause her to distrust or view you differently.  Women divorce/break up with  their significant others for meaningless reasons like "politics" or "boredom".Your best option is to maintain an aire of mystery. 

If you do not understand this need to maintain privacy and mystery, then you need to dust off your bookcase and re-read the Laws of Seduction by Robert Greene and learn from its core premise. Being available to women whenever they want reflects poorly on your ability to captivate their attention. This includes access to your phone.

The next time she asks for your phone  you can find out just how much she wants to develop trust by telling  her you want to have her "share her phone location" 24/7 with you in exchange for her to have access to your phone whenever she pleases. See how quickly she stops asking. I have a feeling she won't agree to that stipulation and will say that is an invasion of her privacy.  Or don't. I really don't care if you knowingly chose to set yourself up for failure. I'm simply looking out for my fellow man who might not know how the game is played.

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You arent wrong on any of this, and this kind of viewpoint literally turned my dating life around. From 18-22 was striking out all of the time, and fell for the boomer mentality of "women are impossible to figure out!". Once you internalize everything you've said then no, everything makes complete sense. From mid 20s onward hooking up and dating with high quality women became incredibly easy

Gen Zers will call this advice Tate tier shit , manosphere this, blah blah blah without realizing that the concept of 'alpha', 'beta', assertiveness, what women value in a man, etc. goes back eons and that the manosphere losers only took it , added their own color of paint, and tried to monetize it. Younger generations have been sadly conditioned to be scared of their own masculinity , be scared of competition, be scared of someone not liking them for their stupid personality quirks or what not. 

It will always sound lame when you outline these concepts out blatantly because the guys that grew up 'getting it' didnt need a road map from the internet provided to them. They got it from a dad, older brother, cool uncle, football coach, etc. and learned to value themselves based on lessons in life. For others though , basically anyone who struggles with women in any capacity at all, there is a lot you can learn if you can kill your own ego and not be worried what liberal freakshows on twitter or reddit might say

 

I think a big problem with explaining this all to men is the idea of being alpha. Alpha is a very wrong connotation to use that can  often include negative male tendencies like, violence, anger, unnecessary aggression, forecfulness, physical strength, hording and sole discretion use of assets etc. 

The correct term that should be substituted for alpha mindset is "leadership" mentality. Women want to be led and that is the only way to keep them in their feminine nature and have them be happy in the relationship.  Being a big strong guy who doesn't take no for an answer and can beat up (physically or mentally) any other guy  for disrespecting them or not going along with their objectives (like manosphere types like Tate emphasize)... are childlike mentalities that are akin to the schoolyard bully we all know and don't respect who usually became a loser in adulthood.  They are usually the guys who can dish it out but not take it on the chin when someone else comes around stronger than them in those regards.  All they are capable is force and manipulation, which leaves a sour taste in everyones mouth who deals with them. This is how many people in the real world view Tate and other "alpha-oriented" characateurs in the manosphere who argue women want men solely for their "Alpha" resource hording abilities and because because "Alpha" men can protect them and beat up guys who take advantage of them.

Leaders and truly masculine men don't need to be forceful or beat up others to get their way.  They  guide their friends and they control, not belittle and bully, their opposition by letting the opposition make mistakes so that they can simply checkmate them further down the line when the time is right. Leaders don't force their opinions on person A and B , they strategize using reason, logic and, mutually beneficial understandings/ and unbeknownst compromising abilities  to subliminally convince persons A and B  that the opinions imposed on them was really a shared understanding/idea the entire time, even if it initially wasn't viewed as such by A and B.  Having persons A and B believe the idea was really theirs the whole time motivates  Persons A and B  to fight that much harder to protect that idea as opposed to just going along with it becasue they were bullied/forced/subjected to. This slight lean of power in an honorable way  that others appreciate and understand is the key to creating respect, social status, and lasting leadership. It is also the key to having a  good marriage. 

Think Littlefinger talking to Tywn Lannister  during the scene "When Arya Meets Littlefinger".  Littlefinger talks  about making  plans to take advantage of chaos in the realm to build something stronger for the Lannisters.  Tywin proceeds to assert his power  as master of the realm and  immediately belittles Littlefinger, saying "you say that as if you were the first man alive to think it".. Which Littlefinger adeptly takes on the chin with a smile and a nod. Yet by the end of the season, Tywn proceeds to adopt every single part of Littlefingers plan that was stated, recognizing in each step how the plan Littlefinger spoke of inevitably benefitted the Lannisters, and assumed its implementation  himself as if he thought of it.  Littlefinger doesn't care for the recognition or the respect and admiration of Tywin, otherwise he wouldnt have taken the slander on the chin.. Nor does he care about the grandiosity of even taking control of the plan himself to show outward power.  Littlefinger is practical and knows his place, which is behind Tywin, the master of the realm in the common sense of public understanding. Littlefingers only care is that the plan is seen by Tywin as his own plan which is "good for the Lannisters" so that the Lannisters can bring it into fruition.   An "Alpha" in the manosphere/Tate sense...would've argued  Tywin was the Alpha over Littlefinger in this regard because it was his realm and he put Littlefinger in his place.. but was he really? The reality is it was Littlefingers plan, not Tywins, Tywin merely adopted it as his own because Littlefinger was right.. it was the best plan for the Lannisters to hold onto power. The reality is Littlefinger was the true leader, the pupeteer  who had played his part perfectly to get what he wanted  by letting Tywin take the plan as his own... which could only be done by recognizing that "you should never outshine the master"... (a rule from Robert Greenes 48 Laws of Power). Littlefinger takes the backseat (even though he is the true leader in the conversation and the mastermind), taking all Tywins remarks on the chin, and in the end watches as Tywin, his master, puts Littlefingers entire plan into works as if he, Tywin, was the one who thought of it  all to begin with.  The leader of the realm for that entire season wasn't the Alpha lord Tywin (the lion, an outward figure of strength and respect) like Tate and manosphere types would have suggested... it was Littlefinger (the pupeteer behind the curtain, the water which took whatever shape required to fulfill his end-game/goals).

Fun fact: Nobody beat Littlefinger in Game of Thrones besides the Gods of the Seven Kingdoms.  In all sense of the word he was the GOAT of the show and the shows scripting died when he died.  Even though he was painted as a lowly worm, a common brothelhouse pimp at the beginning by another "alpha" Lord Neddard Stark, by the end he was the pupeteer who caused kings and queens to rise and fall at his discretion.   Viewers had nothing but respect for Littlefinger, many loved him because he truly made the show great to watch and was clearly calling all the shots without any force or gile, just by using his  "Little Finger" to convince people it was in their interest to do things that would also benefit LittleFinger in the process. Everyone who followed LittleFingers plans benefitted from them, or they wouldnt have followed them as if the plans were their own.  Bran beat Littlefinger solely by  greenseeing (which was an ability only given to him by the grace of the Gods) into the past and future to see Littlefingers entire plan. In reality, Littlefinger was the mental alpha/leader in the entire show... it cannot be argued that the whole show was based around his cunning plans.  The only people close to being as remarkable and respectable to the viewer was  Tyrion, Tywin, and Jon Snow... being notable mentions for their various other positive leadership attributes... like Jons duty, humility, self-righteousness, determination  and kindness to the weak, and strength against the wicked.... Tywins sternness, attention to business, and no bullshit mentality...and  Tyrions good natured cunning and ability to form strong and lasting relationships exactly when needed.  If you took all their positive attributes and cast aside their negatives, and molded them into a single person... you would have the supreme leader that most people would favor and  not only want to work with but also get behind and  in front of when called upon.  Yet strangely enough this single person with all those great traits would be a stark  contrast to what many manosphere types emphasize as the "Alpha Man Mindset".

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Be honest with yourself, you're not happy in this relationship, and you never were happy. You're just scared to be alone. Really sit with yourself and think about that.

All that said, her insecurities are her insecurities. She'll never trust you no matter what you do, and she'll make your life even more miserable than it is now. Imagine marrying her and having kids so you're stuck in this mess for life. You don't want that so what's the endgame? What are you still doing here? If she's insecure now imagine how she's gonna feel as she gets older, her skin starts sagging, gray hair, wrinkles. That's a her problem. Insecurity is fear, and she's scared you'll find a hotter girl cause she hates her body and thinks you can do better (which you can). Other women will see what she saw in you.

The reason you snapped is because she has you by the balls, and she's been using that guilt and shame to control you ever since. It's power over you, and she's been leveraging it. Your response was a natural reaction. Yeah, you hurt her, but she should be over it by now. If she's going to hold this over your head forever then you gotta go, and she needs to let you go. You're adults now, college is over, and she's still hanging onto college drama.

Now she's going to shame you even more until you beg for forgiveness and begging for forgiveness is validating and enabling her toxic behavior.

However, you gotta stop sending likes to strangers and other women you barely know on IG if you ever want a mature peaceful relationship. That's just a respect thing, you may still need some more maturing to do (and definitely don't like pics of random women who don't even follow you or know you exist). Cut that habit before you hit 30 though.

But she's emotionally abusing you. When people hurt you, it's your responsibility to figure out why and heal yourself. If they've stopped their behavior and have made a genuine effort to change then constantly bringing it back up or punishing them for it is wrong. If you can't forgive them then you need to walk away instead of dragging them along. You haven't completely stopped the behavior, but it really doesn't matter if you do or not at this point. The major problem is in her head.

I would just let her go, but you won't be able to do that until you get over your fear of being single and alone, she breaks up with you, or she lets you back into this toxic abusive relationship. She can't be happy either.

 

This is even more cringe, bruddah. There is nothing wrong with sending likes or talking to other women you know cordially on social media, the question becomes... where do you draw the line. You aren't  bound to being friends with one sex of people just because your other half may not appreciate it. Half the population are female and you shouldn't exclude yourself from talking to said half of the population you are friends with just because she doesn't like. Obviously there are limits... you shouldn't be liking all their pictures and likewise shouldn't be liking  half naked pictures or gym pics or anything provacative  which could imply that you are sexually interested in someone else . Theoretically you should only be liking group picks, special event pics, pet pics, pics of them accomplishing goals etc. There is nothing wrong with liking photos or maintaining friendships if one exists and OP should never put himself in a box that limits his cordial friendships.

Granted, OP said he is no longer really friends with most of these women, so he shouldnt be trying to respark conversations with these estranged women while in a relationship now, but I can guarantee you that your girlfriend likes a bunch of other guys photos and has multiple guy friends and if you took her phone for a day you'd see that to be the truth. 

Studies show that half of all girls have a backup boyfriend. This is even true in marriage.  Another 20% are  lying about it, either subconsciously or overtly . Most of a girls  male friends would sleep with her in a minute if she was half decent and let them.  That is not true for guys. Most women only sleep with the pick of the litter. This is why there are so many incels. It is also why women chase men of good heart and status, usually the  born-leader type who have risen to attain riches and power.  Girls chase badboys, women don't, but be a nice guy and you will end up finishing last every single time. Be a good hearted, confident, and mentally strong  man and the world becomes your oyster.

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This is so lame. 

If it is a true story, you're a clown if you can't see the issues here and solutions for them. 

If it is a fake story like most of the fanfic posts in this forum, you're a sad clown. 

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This is a true story and you're an asshat for not being helpful. The reality is, things were good and went wrong somewhere during the relationship - I historically only dated women and have never had a long-term relationship so seeking advice in an anonymous way is the obvious path to get lots of potential solutions.

 

Ignoring the actual relationship problems, in what world did you think that the WSO off topic forum was the place to get good, actionable advice on this situation? 
 

Half the people here have never touched a woman, much less built functional relationships. 

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I’ve been here man. Dated a girl with very similar issues. You can’t fix it. It’s over and you’ll be better without her. Your wife doesn’t second guess your love for her, she knows you’re crazy about her and couldn’t imagine you wanting anyone else. This girl ain’t it. She’s got other issues to work through but you’ve both said hurtful difficult things to each other that most people aren’t able to move past. I’ve seen the same problems arise and honestly there’s a point where it ain’t salvageable and that’s OK. You’re still young so find a new girl and take advantage of a clean slate.

 

From my perspective ur looking at it the wrong way. Do you love this girl? If you love her it doesn’t matter if she’s mad at you , you will do anything in ur power to win her over again and fix your relationship. If u don’t love her (which honestly I don’t think u do) then cut the relationship.

How to get back in the game… use hinge tinder idk, if ur a good looking guy on hinge its so free

 

No offense if I  assume you are a  girl o someone inexperienced wht adult dating.  Regardless of that observation, context matters, especially here.   If OP did something seriously wrong, like cheating, then yes I would 100% agree that he should try his best to patch things up short of playing music out her window, sulking, moping, grovelling, saying he'll hurt himself without her etc.  But OP did nothing unforgiveable.  Following  your approach with his situation in mind would be a page out of Simping 101 which is not adviseable and shows traits that are not appreciated by women. What she needs is not some overbearing love bombs, but  respectful time space and patience to figure herself out with an emphasis on keeping the masculine role of leadership.

 In this instance, the correct path is my original post...send flowers which signify being sorry for what he said along with a simple blank card saying he respects her but has no respect for the situation she put them.  After that he should take the Less is More/ No Contact approach. This puts him back in the seat of taking charge of his life and leading the relationship and adds some mystery into the equation. It also shows the masculine quality known as  sound judgement, and exhibits scarcity, resourcefulness, and the ability to move on if required. All of those "less is more" actions will lead to her viewing him in a better light with higher status, allowing him a greater ability in the future to  re-seduce his woman, which, in retrospect, is probably what she really wants, especially consideing her stated insecurities on her body image and thinking he loves someone else.  

I bet she wont even throw out the flowers when they get old during no contact, she might just keep them there to remind her of him, and she may already have a special place for his card in a shoebox full of other personal effects related to all the little things she kept to remind her of the years spent dating him. I know my gf keeps all my cards and personal effects  in a box she THINKS is well hidden from my prying eyes, and we have broken up taken breaks a few  times before, yet I know my things are still there in that box regardless. I dont think she woudl  consider throwing them out until she starts a serious relationship with someone else, which hasnt happened in my case and may not happen in the OPs case if he plays his cards right. 

In any case. Whether its over or you are going to enjoy your break time.  If you do go the internet dating route. Facebook dating has shown many of my friends great results. Don't use Tinder, Hinge, Bumble, Cofee Meets Bagel, etc unless you are willing to pay for premium... those apps are all profit driven and it is  very much pay to play for exposure on the mens side.  If you do use them, I would suggest you also get current photos done  that look professional in quality in settings that are attractive  to women (overlooking the skyline in Central Park, or walking along  the river path on the Lower East Side or Chelsea Pier, at a rooftop bar, fishing on a river, on the beach, at  the top of the empire state building, snowboarding, etc). You will either need access to a  good  camera / or newer iphone / galaxy for that and a friend to take shots or better yet find  someone on craigslist etc who is aspiring to make a living as a photographer and let them do some shots of you for their portfolio in exchange for you using the shots for your dating apps.  If you go on a cruise or a trip , remember that you may have multiple opportunities on excursions or while on board to have photos of you done in great backgrounds appealing to women by trained professionals who can  enhance your face to remove blemishes, dark spots, acne, etc. If you take the photos yourself you can achieve similar results by using Polar editor or better yet by subscribing for Adobe Photoshop/Lightroom for a month and watching some youtube instructionals

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