Guns

Simple yes or no with an explanation if you seem fit.

Background checks?

Assault Weapons ban?

Red Flag Laws?

Handgun bans? (DC had this ban in 2008 but SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional)

Preparing for my family Thanksgiving dinner where guns are a hot topic. Gimme your thoughts so I can add some substance to this debate.

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"Synergy_or_Syzygy" Yes/No/Yes/No

I can think of a hundred topics better for the Thanksgiving dinner table.

not doing any research but synergy is a chill bro so I'd most likely agree with him on this.

more importantly, let me give you some other thanksgiving topics

  1. costumes for family harlem shake video (I miss this, I want it to come back)

  2. favorite sex positions

  3. water on toothbrush before or after applying toothpaste (except for aunt Liz who's a fuckin weird hippie and brushes her teeth with a brush she made from tree bark and uses mint leaves or some shit, fuckin Liz)

  4. memorable psychedelic experiences

  5. everyone make your own card for cards against humanity

  6. dead baby jokes (bringing these back too)

  7. fuck marry kill - roulette. it's where you put your TV on scan (kinda like the radio) and it flips channels randomly, pick any 3 people on TV and play FMK)

  8. favorite conspiracy theory - mine is that jeff bezos is getting everyone's addresses in an attempt to mind control everyone. mining asteroids for cobalt? bullshit, he wants access, he will become the omnipotent one

  9. drinking contest - guarantee you can destroy your 8 year old cousin going shot for shot

  10. airing of grievances (I know it's a Festivus tradition) - start with yourself, say all of your roasts, and then get a beer and watch shit start going down

 

Yes, no, yes, no. Everyone is entitled to their own safety, but if they are a harm to themselves they could potentially be a harm to someone else.

 
Controversial

anyone who says yes to red flag laws is a statist piece of shit who wants the police to illegally invade your home without due process

no/no/no/no

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

 
  1. Yes--because duh.
  2. In the middle on this--I want to lean yes but I understand we can never remove the weapons in the market, so "in reality" no.
  3. Yes--people's lives are more important than your right to bear arms.
  4. No--while I am in favor of certain capacity limitations (no glocks with 33 round stendos), handguns are important.

Good luck at Thxgiving. I'll need it too haha.

Dayman?
 
"Nightman Cometh" 1. Yes--because duh. 2. In the middle on this--I want to lean yes but I understand we can never remove the weapons in the market, so "in reality" no. 3. Yes--people's lives are more important than your right to bear arms. 4. No--while I am in favor of certain capacity limitations (no glocks with 33 round stendos), handguns are important.

Good luck at Thxgiving. I'll need it too haha.

Essentially this, although I might lean a bit more to yes on 2 and 4.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 
"CRE"
"Nightman Cometh" 1. Yes--because duh. 2. In the middle on this--I want to lean yes but I understand we can never remove the weapons in the market, so "in reality" no. 3. Yes--people's lives are more important than your right to bear arms. 4. No--while I am in favor of certain capacity limitations (no glocks with 33 round stendos), handguns are important.

Good luck at Thxgiving. I'll need it too haha.

Essentially this, although I might lean a bit more to yes on 2 and 4.

That is a very creative way to answer yes to all 4 questions. Works for me.

 
"Shrek2OnDVD" Simple yes or no with an explanation if you seem fit.

Background checks?

Assault Weapons ban?

Red Flag Laws?

Handgun bans? (DC had this ban in 2008 but SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional)

Preparing for my family Thanksgiving dinner where guns are a hot topic. Gimme your thoughts so I can add some substance to this debate.

Are WSO members allowed at your Thanksgiving day meal? Asking for a friend.

 
"Shrek2OnDVD" Background checks?
Yes
"Shrek2OnDVD" Assault Weapons ban?
No, but more restricted sales
"Shrek2OnDVD" Red Flag Laws?
Yes, within more reason
"Shrek2OnDVD" Handgun bans? (DC had this ban in 2008 but SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional)
No
“The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly salary.” - Nassim Taleb
 

Good points but I think you operate under the assumption Congress would be productive in other areas without the gun debate, which I don't think is inherently true. I'm also very jaded, neither of us can prove or disprove my hypothesis.

Heart disease is a big problem in the US. There's too much money in pumping food full of sugar and unhealthy stuff to make a dent there. Cancer is not that well understood but it gets a lot of attention because it's so horrible. Suicide is big and gets very little attention. By next month, an estimated ~50,000 Americans will have taken their lives in 2019. Depression is still not believed to be true by everyone. But that is a cultural thing, not so much political/ dictated by Congress. I do think better understanding our brains is important.

“The three most harmful addictions are heroin, carbohydrates, and a monthly salary.” - Nassim Taleb
 

WSO is largely comprised of males and I am sure some of them agree with your comment. Out of curiosity, how do you think your content and tone would be viewed by a female?

 

Finally some good fucking KNOWLEDGE I would also add to keep in mind, the truly insane amount of guns in this country while you look into gun deaths

Gun rights activist
 

Well, you can still have views on what the most appropriate legislative environment on guns should be while saying it should not be a priority (although I have yet to find a gun control advocate who can agree with that statement). Granted, it makes the thread less interesting in a way, but the fact that it is less pressing/ useful than other issues does not mean the result should definitely be no legislation at all.

Could even be a quadruple yes and still say that it should not be part of the conversation.

 

You also can isolate this further. Once you get down to the actual number of gun deaths that were a crime then you will notice the largest percentage is in a handful of cities.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
 

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"Shrek2OnDVD" Background checks?
Reasonable if implemented appropriately
"Shrek2OnDVD" Assault Weapons ban?
Figure out how to define them well, previous issues have included my M1 Carbine, which fires a glorified pistol round (Winchester 30 cal) This shouldn't be on the same list as the AR15 and AK-47
"Shrek2OnDVD" Red Flag Laws?
Yes.
"Shrek2OnDVD" Handgun bans? (DC had this ban in 2008 but SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional)
Probably worthwhile.
The only difference between Asset Management and Investment Research is assets. I generally see somebody I know on TV on Bloomberg/CNBC etc. once or twice a week. This sounds cool, until I remind myself that I see somebody I know on ESPN five days a week.
 

?/No/No/No

Are you talking about UNIVERSAL background checks? You are aware that background checks are already performed on every gun purchased from an FFL (including gun shows) correct? Right now in some states you can buy through private sale without a background check, that is the only exception. However it is still illegal to sell to someone who wouldn’t pass a background check, so it’s best to require the purchaser to get one either way. I support universal background checks as long is there is a carve out for family members. I shouldn’t have to get a background check to borrow my uncles .30-06. I would say a carve out for friends too but that would be too difficult to define.

 
"frosty485"I support universal background checks as long is there is a carve out for family members. I shouldn’t have to get a background check to borrow my uncles .30-06. I would say a carve out for friends too but that would be too difficult to define.

Luckily no murders, mass shootings, or accidental shootings have been committed with a family member or friends' gun, so this makes complete sense.

Commercial Real Estate Developer
 

Happens all the time and usually the firearm is stolen from the family member(who should have stored it better), not given to the shooter. Problem is CRIMINALS don’t obey the law. Even if you implemented universal background checks for any and all gun purchases, that’s not going to stop someone set on shooting people.

Another poster said that gun deaths are trivial in comparison with other issues which is true, but I still think it needs to be addressed. I think we should focus our efforts on security rather than trying to stop people from getting guns. Ever heard of any inner city school having a mass shooting? No because the kids go though metal detectors every day. IMO every school should have this and multiple armed guards.

 

Respectfully, The background check system has been intentionally sabotaged. Computerization is actually forbidden (This is a serious WTF) and the default response for not being done with the check is to approve, which is just wrong.

The damage done from a 5.56 NATO/.223 Winchester or 7.62 is very different from a 30 cal fired by a M1 Carbine.

Full on banning of short arms makes sense in an urban environment, and since most of the US lives there and it is impossible to filter, I think it needs to be universal. I'll give up my P38 and Detective Special for it.

The only difference between Asset Management and Investment Research is assets. I generally see somebody I know on TV on Bloomberg/CNBC etc. once or twice a week. This sounds cool, until I remind myself that I see somebody I know on ESPN five days a week.
 

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