how embarrassing is it to run an alpha male/getting laid podcast?

What must it be like to have your face recognized on the streets for running an alpha male podcast?

notorious examples being fresh and fit / andrew tate

what are the thoughts that go through your head about the profession of such people?

What do you think about their mental level?

How many of you genuinely think these high value Alpha male self aware men are mentally stunted and what do you think about their premature epiphany that makes them believe they’re so ahead of everyone ?

 

Well, it's certainly a unique path to take, isn't it? Running an alpha male podcast like Andrew Tate or Fresh and Fit can definitely turn some heads and raise some eyebrows. But hey, everyone's got their own hustle, right?

As for what goes through my mind about their profession, I'd say it's a mixed bag. On one hand, they're breaking societal norms and challenging the status quo, which can be admirable. On the other hand, their approach can be polarizing and not everyone's cup of tea.

Their mental level? Well, they must be pretty sharp to have built such a following and to keep their content engaging. But, it's also important to remember that being smart in one area doesn't necessarily mean you're wise in all areas of life.

As for the idea of these "high value Alpha male self aware men" being mentally stunted, I think it's a bit of a stretch. Everyone has their own journey and their own pace of growth. Some people might have their "epiphany" earlier than others, and that's okay. It doesn't necessarily mean they're ahead or behind anyone else. It just means they're on their own unique path.

But hey, that's just my two cents. What do you think?

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Not true they gave both sides of the opinion and tried to give a reasonable take without taking one side too hard so that OP can develop an opinion on their own.

 

Personally, I think a large part of society and men are thinking about it wrong. High Value Men and men who focus on getting laid / having sex are two distinctly different types of men. 
 

I don’t think Andrew Tate types are High Value Men, but sure - they’re about getting laid or appearing Alpha Male. I think it’s a level of narcissism that society has normalized similar to IG, TikTok, etc. 

Im embarrassed for these men to be on the screen like that, and you have to be delusional to not recognize it. 

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Personally, I think a large part of society and men are thinking about it wrong. High Value Men and men who focus on getting laid / having sex are two distinctly different types of men. 
 

I don’t think Andrew Tate types are High Value Men, but sure - they’re about getting laid or appearing Alpha Male. I think it’s a level of narcissism that society has normalized similar to IG, TikTok, etc. 

Im embarrassed for this men to be on the screen like that, and you have to be delusional to not recognize it. 

Is it necessarily mutually exclusive 

 

I used to work with two different women who put x-rated descriptions of their sexual experiences on their public social media platforms.  Super embarrassing and cringy.  Probably the same for all these alpha male bros who don't make enough money selling courses on how to get laid to quit their day jobs.  The boomers were right ten years ago when they said "be careful what you put online"

 

I think you're missing a big point - Andrew Tate isn't embarrassed.  Some people are just assholes who genuinely think this is an appropriate way to speak/behave.  Of course, many of them are just grifters, but I think most of these guys aren't embarrassed by it, because if they were the kind of decent human beings who could feel shame, they wouldn't do it in the first place.

And yes, they're mentally stunted.  And they've convinced themselves they're "so ahead of everyone" because that's the only refuge their tiny brains can find - unwilling and/or unable to admit to a personal deficiency, the only solution is determined auto-suggestion.  Andrew Tate is probably the most successful of them, and even he isn't particularly attractive to women - which is why he's engaged in all sorts of sordid criminal schemes to force women to sleep with him

 

He appeals to the average american male. i live in a muslim country and the thing is that in the third world it’s almost easier for grifters to make money in construction and real estate and government (hardcore corruption; literally caught in 4K in broad day light type corruption), there is no accountability, the military owns the country; takes 90% of the budget of the government because they are funnily enough some of the strongest militaries in the world, the rest is lost in corruption and paying off foreign loans and debt that we all know will NEVER be paid off completely, even funnier that the military is more corrupt than government workers; ministers and politicians

these grifter businessmen amass billions from fraud in these peculiar industries there are no laws preventing them from killing people and defrauding them, they’ve bought the police, they have people on their payroll and their sons are egomaniac psychopaths who get off on fucking with people and even murdering them over petty things because jail is really a thing for just very poor tribal people because there is no jurisdiction no laws. the ministers who are in the pockets off these affluent grifter motherfuckers are involved in hardcore sex trafficking of underage girls, they have contacts in the underground economy who supply them different girls for different nights and they rape and pregnant them, i know because certain family members have done charity works for abused people and it turned out that sex trafficking for government ministers is a massive issue in the muslim country i live in and the girls are 13, 14 completely shattered irrecoverable abused girls. Andrew Tate things his world is dark and sketchy but the dude has no idea what the other half of the world is like at all, especially the muslim world

their sons are basically kings and they have people who work for them personally arranging prostitutes and being able to do whatever they want.

So when i see a guy like Andrew Tate discovering this stuff for the first time makes me cringe because this dude has no idea that the other half of the world functions like this, it’s almost sort of embarrassing when i see this type of shit.

His girls are all online sex workers, he’s made money from defrauding people, i will give him this that he was a professional fighter and he had a solid father figure as solid as they come and i would even say that this dude worked his ASS off

 
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Egypt or Pakistan?  I'm from a South Asian (not India) country and this sounds pretty similar lol.  Guessing Egypt.  Could be the IRGC in Iran, but I don't think they're that debauched.

But ya, I agree completely with you man.  Tate grew up in the first world and thinks he's discovered some sort of alternate gritty reality lol.  Make him spend some time with gangsters from Nepal in Delhi, or Chechens in Moscow and he'll go back pissing his pants.  His infantile nonsense is eaten up by the safe and priveledged youth in america or canada, and its easy to see why.....they haven't actually seen third world conditions.  

In case you are pakistani, some of my friends from there have been telling me about wholesale theft from armories, and how ukrainian munitions are ending up in the Gwadar port lol.  It's a different, darker world.

 

Why would someone be embarassed to speak into a microphone for a living on their own terms, compared to you having to work in a spreadsheet or slide deck late into the evening because the boss man says so? Dont cope, that would be an awesome gig - assuming you could actually make it.

As for their intelligence, you realize grifting is an act right? And they say inflammatory things for attention? To give the cultural war lemmings (OP this is likely you) on both sides low hanging fruit to throw at each other to drive engagement? That sense of superiority you feel for your side being the 'right one' isnt because you are more intelligent or superior, it literally is how the game they are playing works. So while I doubt any of those people are winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon, they were able to outsmart you. 

Piece of advice is to just stay away from the culture war BS altogether. Guys like Tate shouldnt even be on your radar. 

 
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Why would someone be embarassed to speak into a microphone for a living on their own terms, compared to you having to work in a spreadsheet or slide deck late into the evening because the boss man says so? Dont cope, that would be an awesome gig - assuming you could actually make it.

As for their intelligence, you realize grifting is an act right? And they say inflammatory things for attention? To give the cultural war lemmings (OP this is likely you) on both sides low hanging fruit to throw at each other to drive engagement? That sense of superiority you feel for your side being the 'right one' isnt because you are more intelligent or superior, it literally is how the game they are playing works. So while I doubt any of those people are winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon, they were able to outsmart you. 

Piece of advice is to just stay away from the culture war BS altogether. Guys like Tate shouldnt even be on your radar. 

I mean Andrew Tate is a sex trafficker, so... I guess all of what you said could apply to that, too?

I just do not agree with the idea that all ideas are equally valid.  I'd rather work for someone else than be the head of the Klu Klux Klan.  At some point, some positions are immoral on their face, and to be the face of that should be embarrassing.  If your opinion is that working on your own terms is always morally defensible, then sure, I guess you're right.  But you'll be defending a lot of awful people in that case.  We, as a society, should be shaming some people, and Andrew Tate is one of them.  The fact that people listen to him doesn't make him any less reprehensible.

 
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Why would someone be embarassed to speak into a microphone for a living on their own terms, compared to you having to work in a spreadsheet or slide deck late into the evening because the boss man says so? Dont cope, that would be an awesome gig - assuming you could actually make it.

As for their intelligence, you realize grifting is an act right? And they say inflammatory things for attention? To give the cultural war lemmings (OP this is likely you) on both sides low hanging fruit to throw at each other to drive engagement? That sense of superiority you feel for your side being the 'right one' isnt because you are more intelligent or superior, it literally is how the game they are playing works. So while I doubt any of those people are winning a Nobel Prize anytime soon, they were able to outsmart you. 

Piece of advice is to just stay away from the culture war BS altogether. Guys like Tate shouldnt even be on your radar. 

I mean Andrew Tate is a sex trafficker, so... I guess all of what you said could apply to that, too?

I just do not agree with the idea that all ideas are equally valid.  I'd rather work for someone else than be the head of the Klu Klux Klan.  At some point, some positions are immoral on their face, and to be the face of that should be embarrassing.  If your opinion is that working on your own terms is always morally defensible, then sure, I guess you're right.  But you'll be defending a lot of awful people in that case.  We, as a society, should be shaming some people, and Andrew Tate is one of them.  The fact that people listen to him doesn't make him any less reprehensible.

Sure, play morality police all you want. Build up that strawman of comaring podcasters to the head of the KKK lmao

So where do you draw the line? Is Tate bad because of the sex trafficking or because of the message?

If Tate is bad then what about Joe Rogan? Jordan Peterson? Or whoever is the hot name of the week in the manosphere. Because its easy to just lump in any message you dont like as 'toxic' and encourage deplatforming anyone who disagrees, which is coming from the same virtuous morality police

Where you are wrong is that 'we, as a society' shouldnt give a shit about what any idiot says. Grifters dont care about the message, they care about the attention. Ignoring them is a bigger hit to their ego and goal than 'shaming' them (aka lazily making a twitter or reddit post with juvenile wit to get a slap on the back from your fellow culture war compatriots). We dont care about what the homeless man rambling on the sidewalk is saying, we dont care about shaming him, we just walk past him.

 

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