Since we want more factories in America, how long do you think it will take to plan, build, and ramp up production/quality control to meet American demands?
This is straight out of a college Production Ops class.
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
5 years is even too long. It doesn't take that long.
Chat GPT:
The time it takes to build a factory can vary greatly depending on several factors, including the size and complexity of the factory, location, the type of industry, and the specific construction and regulatory requirements. Here are some general guidelines:
Small to Medium-Sized Factories: For a relatively small or medium-sized factory, the construction process typically takes between 6 months to 2 years. This includes time for planning, site preparation, construction, equipment installation, and testing.
Large Factories: Large-scale factories, especially those in complex industries like automotive, aerospace, or semiconductor manufacturing, can take 2 to 5 years or more to build. These factories usually involve more intricate designs, specialized equipment, and longer permitting processes.
Modular or Pre-Fabricated Factories: Some types of factories, particularly modular or pre-fabricated ones, can be built much faster—often within 6 to 12 months—since much of the structure is built off-site and then assembled quickly on location.
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
These don't include financial planning/budgeting, which is a year or more in advance. Company don't just have extra money laying around ready to be deployed at moment notice and in the tunes of tens if not hundreds of millions of $ to build a factory.
Small and medium-sized factories aren't going to make a dent/meet American consumer demand.
When everyone starts building factories at the same time, things will not go well. Even if permits/paperwork is a breeze (which it won't be), there will still be bottlenecks in building materials supply chain and labor market. Good luck with tariffs on building materials and lack of cheap undocumented workforce. Construction industry is heavily depended on immigrant labor.
Dude I work in industrial equities, most factories take 2yrs to set up. Add in 6 months for planning, maybe 12 for additional planning and finding labor and it’s still max 3yrs for 80-90% of products
Can robots be programmed to build factories themselves?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, robots can, in theory, be programmed to help build factories themselves, and advancements in automation, AI, and robotics are making this more feasible. While we aren't at the point where robots can autonomously design and build entire factories from start to finish without human intervention, there are already many areas where robots play a significant role in the construction process. Here's how robots are being used and how they could evolve:
1. Robots in Construction:
Automation in Manufacturing: Robots are already heavily involved in manufacturing factory components. For example, robots assemble parts for cars, electronics, and other products. These robots perform repetitive tasks like welding, painting, or packaging.
Construction Robots: In the construction of the physical factory building, robots like bricklaying robots, 3D printers for concrete, and autonomous cranes are already in use. These robots can lay bricks, pour concrete, or even print entire buildings layer by layer, drastically reducing human labor and construction time.
2. AI and Machine Learning for Design and Planning:
AI-driven Design: Advanced software tools use AI and machine learning to optimize building designs for efficiency, sustainability, and cost-effectiveness. AI can analyze construction plans, ensuring that structures meet local codes and design requirements before construction begins.
Generative Design: AI can also help generate designs that meet specific requirements while being more efficient or structurally sound. This could theoretically enable robots to autonomously build based on an AI-generated design.
3. Robots for Logistics and Assembly:
Autonomous Transport: Drones and automated ground vehicles (AGVs) can transport materials around construction sites, delivering the necessary supplies to robots and human workers.
Collaborative Robots (Cobots): These robots work alongside humans to assemble parts or handle tasks that are dangerous or repetitive. For instance, cobots could help position heavy beams or install equipment during factory construction.
4. Autonomous Construction Sites:
Fully Autonomous Construction: Some visionary projects are working toward fully autonomous construction sites where robots would not only lay bricks and pour concrete but also handle all logistics, structural assembly, and installations without human intervention.
Self-replicating Machines: In the far future, some researchers envision machines that could replicate themselves to speed up construction. These machines would have the ability to assemble parts of themselves, like a factory in a box. This is still a futuristic concept, but it's an area of active research.
Challenges:
Complexity of Factory Design: Factories are not simple structures. They need to be customized to specific industries and processes, which makes complete autonomy in construction challenging. A lot of human oversight is still required for complex decision-making, safety, and regulatory compliance.
Cost and Technology: Although robots can perform many tasks, the initial setup costs and the need for specialized equipment can make it prohibitively expensive to replace human labor entirely. Further advancements in technology and a reduction in costs would be needed for robots to take over all aspects of factory construction.
The Future:
In the future, we could see more "self-building" factories, where robots play a larger role in the design, assembly, and even the maintenance of factory infrastructure. It would be a highly automated process, with robots and AI systems taking on roles traditionally handled by human construction workers.
For now, robots can certainly help build factories faster and more efficiently, but we're not yet at the point where robots can build an entire factory completely autonomously without human input. Still, the trajectory is clear, and it's likely that robots will continue to play an increasingly larger role in the construction industry.
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
it does not take 5 years to build typical factories.
it does take more than 5 years to move entire supply chain systems from one continent to another. very few companies will be willing to risk moving all their production from asia to america only for tariffs to go away after the next democrat-won election, or even trump administration cancelling some (or all) of the new tariffs. the weekly back and forth regarding tariffs does not allow companies to properly plan how many factories to open up in america, and even then, it would take 1-2 years for companies to evaluate if producing in america is worth it.
you have to remember that the outsourcing of manufacturing to asia did not happen overnight. governments and companies figured out best countries for each products (electronics in south korea and china, clothes in south and southeast asia, other goods went to china typically) before opening a few factories and trying them before fully outsourcing majority of production to those countries. and even today, the production of highly valuable products happens mainly in developed countries and a few developing ones (china, india, mexico, vietnam). the manufacturing that occurs in the US is of very expensive products tupically where the labor costs are offset by retail prices. if h&m had factories in the US instead of bangladesh, it would be priced like ralph lauren. companies can't afford to do that, and will be very cautious with next steps. and to be honest, given the fact that the tariff policies are changing monthly, most companies don't know what to do. even with tariffs, outsourcing manufacturing will likely still be cheaper for >90% of products.
i'm not a management expert but these are basic considerations.
Yup. Can't believe the dude who just used ChatGPT instead of common sense got 5 SBs lol.
The ChatGPT timeline don't include financial planning/budgeting, which is a year or more in advance. Company don't just have extra money laying around ready to be deployed at moment notice and in the tunes of tens if not hundreds of millions of $ to build a factory.
Small and medium-sized factories aren't going to make a dent/meet American consumer demand.
When everyone starts building factories at the same time, things will not go well. Even if permits/paperwork is a breeze (which it won't be), there will still be bottlenecks in building materials supply chain and labor market. Good luck with tariffs on building materials and lack of cheap undocumented workforce. Construction industry is heavily depended on immigrant labor.
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Much longer than Trump’s time horizon for his on again off again tariffs.
This is straight out of a college Production Ops class.
5 years is even too long. It doesn't take that long.
Chat GPT:
The time it takes to build a factory can vary greatly depending on several factors, including the size and complexity of the factory, location, the type of industry, and the specific construction and regulatory requirements. Here are some general guidelines:
Dude I work in industrial equities, most factories take 2yrs to set up. Add in 6 months for planning, maybe 12 for additional planning and finding labor and it’s still max 3yrs for 80-90% of products
5yrs is far too long, you’re distorting the poll
Can robots be programmed to build factories themselves?
ChatGPT said:
Yes, robots can, in theory, be programmed to help build factories themselves, and advancements in automation, AI, and robotics are making this more feasible. While we aren't at the point where robots can autonomously design and build entire factories from start to finish without human intervention, there are already many areas where robots play a significant role in the construction process. Here's how robots are being used and how they could evolve:
1. Robots in Construction:
2. AI and Machine Learning for Design and Planning:
3. Robots for Logistics and Assembly:
4. Autonomous Construction Sites:
Challenges:
The Future:
In the future, we could see more "self-building" factories, where robots play a larger role in the design, assembly, and even the maintenance of factory infrastructure. It would be a highly automated process, with robots and AI systems taking on roles traditionally handled by human construction workers.
For now, robots can certainly help build factories faster and more efficiently, but we're not yet at the point where robots can build an entire factory completely autonomously without human input. Still, the trajectory is clear, and it's likely that robots will continue to play an increasingly larger role in the construction industry.
Are you Trump? He used ChatGPT to come up with that garbage tariff equation too. Robots can't even flip burgers correctly in 2025...
He a is big Trump fan.
it does not take 5 years to build typical factories.
it does take more than 5 years to move entire supply chain systems from one continent to another. very few companies will be willing to risk moving all their production from asia to america only for tariffs to go away after the next democrat-won election, or even trump administration cancelling some (or all) of the new tariffs. the weekly back and forth regarding tariffs does not allow companies to properly plan how many factories to open up in america, and even then, it would take 1-2 years for companies to evaluate if producing in america is worth it.
you have to remember that the outsourcing of manufacturing to asia did not happen overnight. governments and companies figured out best countries for each products (electronics in south korea and china, clothes in south and southeast asia, other goods went to china typically) before opening a few factories and trying them before fully outsourcing majority of production to those countries. and even today, the production of highly valuable products happens mainly in developed countries and a few developing ones (china, india, mexico, vietnam). the manufacturing that occurs in the US is of very expensive products tupically where the labor costs are offset by retail prices. if h&m had factories in the US instead of bangladesh, it would be priced like ralph lauren. companies can't afford to do that, and will be very cautious with next steps. and to be honest, given the fact that the tariff policies are changing monthly, most companies don't know what to do. even with tariffs, outsourcing manufacturing will likely still be cheaper for >90% of products.
i'm not a management expert but these are basic considerations.
Yup. Can't believe the dude who just used ChatGPT instead of common sense got 5 SBs lol.
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