ICE Agent Murders US Civilian
I’m sure you guys have seen the video of the protestor getting murdered in cold blood by an ICE agent who “feared for his life” and shot her four times in a moving vehicle, which is against protocol even if it was justified, which it obviously was not. The poor woman was then was refused medical help from nearby professionals and just bled out in the street while her partner watched helplessly.
What the hell is wrong with these ICE agents? Why do we have brownshirts murdering citizens for exercising their constitutional right to protest and why is the government lying about their actions when the video is clear as day? What has happened to this country?
Nah that mother of a 4 year old girl was definitely a domestic terrorist, just like border barbie Kristi Noem said. Please reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.
Bunch of fucking losers from your hometown getting paid to terrorize and murder people, legally. Crazy. How much are they getting paid again, on top of signing bonuses?
The end of the U.S. in its current form is nigh.
I foresee this as well.
Obstructing law enforcement is not "protesting".
Her tires spun when aimed directly at him: attempted lethal force.
If she had killed that officer, you and yours would be lauding her as some hero.
Not that you care about any of these things. And that is precisely why the right has stopped caring about the pearl clutching of the left. They're done trying to reason with you- it's time to ignore your flaccid bleating and just do what needed to be done a long time ago.
You know there’s video of this incident right? And that clearly did not happen?
And why was there a gun pointed at her to begin with? Why was an officer shooting into a moving vehicle, which is against protocol? Why was she shot 4 times?
Get that boot out of your mouth and use your brain.
Mods removed my last comment. Here is the gif.
Plus the denial of medical treatment is a second felony for every ICE member on the scene, they're now all subject to state criminal law and a trump pardon won't save them.
The mods will not let me post a non graphic gif of the moment the tires spun when facing him, clearly before he drew his weapon.
Absolutely biased and unnecessary, and at worst is purposeful furthering of the dangerous narrative that this was not justified.
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Where exactly does it say anywhere that shooting into a moving vehicle is against protocol. You can literally find multiple incidents of this happening. He had his gun out because she wasn’t following demands and still behind the wheel of a vehicle which could be used as a weapon. Shen then accelerated forward - rewatch slowly - the tires spun forward before turning while an ICE agent was literally in front of her vehicle. Why was she trying to flee? Why not just listen? It’s not that hard to understand.
Which protocol forbids officers from shooting into moving vehicles? Haven’t seen that before
He had a full foot in between him and the car. Video evidence shows this
She didn't. And we wouldn't. This argument is a complete fallacy. "Whatabout"ism rather than addressing the fact this officer killed a woman
Kill random mothers? That's what needs to be done? All so we might deport a few more innocent yard workers?
That's not even mentioning the fact the ICE agent fled the scene 10 minutes after shooting the woman, or that they refused any medical care for the woman. No, it's all in the service of some "greater purpose" whatever the fuck that means
This guy needed to keep his cool and his immediate reaction should have been jumping out of the way. He clearly did the wrong thing.
At the same time, I think it's easy to watch this on your laptop and point out that he was clearly "a full foot away". In the moment, when their is a lumbering SUV driving off 12 inches from your body with the possibility of turning into you, it doesn't feel that far away and your adrenaline immediately kicks into fight or flight mode.
"He was a full foot away! Three hundred thousand micro meters! He had literally ONE MILLION microseconds to react!"
Do you see her tires spin on the pavement? Front left tire at 0:08 in your video (and in the gif below). This was before she turned her wheels, and before he drew his weapon. At that moment he hears the engine rev, hears the tires slip, is right in front of a mutli-thousand pound weapon (yes, weapon- see the Waukesha parade attack that you likely forgot about). That is THE DEFINITION of deadly force and fearing for your life.
Random mothers from Colorado who were in MN working in cordination to disrupt legal law enforcement activities. Something something cross border criminal activity, specifically racketeering.
Unfortunately this is what happens when you worship an idiot (Trump). You're forced to defend every dumb decision he makes even if that means bending over backwards and throwing logic out the window. As I've said many times before, MAGA is a cult. No amount of evidence, deductive reasoning, or logic can convince MAGA that they are idiots even if it means innocent people dying. Trump could sleep with your mom and unalive your entire family and you'd still worship him.
First, the ICE agent who shot the woman was not in any imminent danger. There are 10 ICE agents surrounding the car with assault rifles and the woman is not armed. The officer put himself in harms way by standing in front of the car which actual police officers are trained NOT to do. Second, real police officers are trained almost to never shoot at a moving vehicle due to the significantly higher risk of stray bullets unless the driver poses a threat BEYOND THE VEHICLE ITSELF.
Your argument that the ICE agent only had milliseconds to react does not provide the defense that you think it does. For normal people, if you are within a foot to inches of a vehicle accelerating in your direction, your knee jerk reaction is to move aside. The fact that the ICE agent reached for his gun the second the her wheels starting spinning means he had already premeditated possibly shooting her. Let's use some logical reasoning here. This ICE officer was previously dragged by a car, so if anyone knows first hand the dangers of a motor vehicle, it's him. However, rather than standing further away or to the side of the vehicle, he walks to the front of the vehicle, purposely obstructing the only exit path, which again actually trained officers are taught not to do. Then within milliseconds of her tires spinning he already has his hand on his firearm even though actual police officers are trained that firing at a moving vehicle is a last resort, even if that means moving out of the way. This ICE agent was ready to shoot well before her wheels spun.
So how many ways do you want to be wrong? Here I'll provide you 3 more. Here's 3 videos of actual, trained police officers, in a similar, but much more lethal situation, but did not open fire. See the difference between actual training and no training?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGpZSp-m60o
The problem is that trump's ideas may be idiotic, but he is (whether he means it or not) one of the smartest people to take advantage of a disgruntled, ideologically and emotionally vulnerable population through agitprop and exploitation. The exact opposite of some of the R party's predecessors like the honorable John McCain, who actually sought to win via honest means, although we all know how that turned out with the R party's electorate.
All that talking and the bodycam footage annihilates all of it in seconds. Have a nice weekend, see you at the next WSO public controversy throwdown.
https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force#1-16.200
Ice Agent should go to jail, law doesn’t care about your feelings…
Actually, law cares a lot about your feelings. Mental state is a huge consideration here. It's almost everything.
The technical legal question is whether he reasonably believed he faced an imminent threat of severe bodily harm at the time he fired his gun.
And the technical legal answer is "of course he fucking did." Case closed.
You mean law enforcement will shoot people who try to hit them with cars? What a shocking turn of events... I wonder why this doesn't happen more at right wing protests...
“Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses”
Lately, all of them
“This doesn’t happen at right wing protests” Google the “Charlottesville car massacre” bud
The "massacre" where 1 person died and the person driving the car was arrested and now rots in prison? Pretty amusing that you have to go back almost 10yrs to find 1 example and the one you pull is still completely dissimilar to leftist protests in almost every way, key point of comparison being the lack of rioting/property destruction and whether protestors are attacking police. Next you're going to tell me J6 is what equates frequency & magnitude of political violence between groups 🙄
There were instance of cars driving into BLM protestors back in 2020 and I recall a lot of people on the right celebrating that.
Because some of the protests were them randomly flooding onto highways or were mobbing people's cars and people have lives/places to be that are more important that reasoning with an aggressive crowd of fools. Also these the same BLM protests that caused billions in damage and killed 30+ people (including cops) across the country that summer? Weird to bring those up given the point I'm making...
WSO posters defending murder by cop
You can’t be maga and a libertarian
Many ICE employees—and the broader Trump-aligned crowd—seem to assume future pardons will shield them. They won’t. Presidential pardons don’t block state-level prosecution, and repeated violations of qualified immunity expose individuals to personal liability. ICE has a lawful mandate, but the growing number of agents who’ve abused their authority will not have very bright futures.
Public restraint has held so far, even amid rhetoric that appears designed to provoke unrest so trump can justify martial law, cancel elections, or otherwise try to grab more power. History suggests, however, that sustained social breakdown carries severe consequences for those associated with enforcement and coercive power—consequences that tend to unfold inevitably over time, not necessarily immediately (especially in a country like America with an unruly public and more guns than people). Food for thought.
The FBI has taken over this case and kicked Minnesota out of the investigation & removed their access to evidence. So I think we all know nothing will happen to the agent.
Do you have any idea how the Supremacy Clause works when it comes to legal law enforcement activity by federal agencies?
yeah good take, honestly the ice officers shouldn't have guns the other angle that dropped was pretty bad though, I think they are both in the wrong
Seeing the usual partisan lines being drawn by the usual posters on WSO is really something. Independent thinking has truly died.
Although not a total loss, means I always have exit liquidity for the day job
I don't understand how you make this a "both sides" thing. A woman was just murdered by a bunch of jackbooted thugs, in cold blood. Left to die on the street like a dog. And someone the people calling for justice for that are no different than the ones defending the murderer?
Below are the high profile self-defense incidents that come to mind. All of them have a very clear political divide.
I think everyone should ask themselves, where do you score in terms of deciding these.
For example I'm LRLRR. One of my L's is I think Zimmerman was initial aggressor and thus waived his right to self defense. The other is, I think Jan 6th security guard, even if he fired earlier than ideally, had a right to use deadly force in that situation.
What I'd submit to everyone is, if you're LLLLL or RRRRR you might have a problem with independent thinking.
So unclear as to which instance this particular event is, but this has been happening frequently enough that we have examples to compare it to...
Glen Burnie, MD - agents approach a van, van tries to run them over, 2-3 days of leftoids screaming "murder by feds" then bodycam footage comes out and local police clear them.
Minneapolis, MN - driver tries to run over ICE agent also shot, rage on MSM for barely 24hrs, then footage goes viral and everyone stops talking about it.
Chicago, IL - ICE approaches vehicle, it accelerates dragging 1 agent to the ground, then crashes into a semi before he's shot.
In EVERY single instance the situation is entirely avoidable by just NOT DRIVING AWAY. If you're not breaking the law there's literally nothing to fear, it's no different than any police traffic stop. But for some reason it's only these liberal cities where this happens - probably because they're assmad about Trump enforcing immigration law that's been on the books for decades - so you see dozens of clips of people trying to run over agents, crash into their vans, firebomb their vehicles, etc. All of these people's reactions are no different than randomly gunning it when you get pulled over for a broken taillight. They're taking a situation that's entirely harmless to them and making it deadly for the officers which then justifies their defensive reaction.
Go sit in the chair in the corner, you naughty boy
I realize you leftoids are eager to break out the ball gag & cuk chair because it's the only time you feel loved, but I'm neither libertarian nor do I share your degeneracy.
By all means, listen to the voices in your head the next time you're getting a speeding ticket and see what gunning it with a cop at your window accomplishes. I'll send flowers.
Agreed but a couple things:
Why is the fbi blocking state officials from investigating the matter?
Why is there a video of a law enforcement issue kicking the candles at the victims memorial?
I’m just asking questions, there’s great people on both sides
Like I said I don't even know which instance this is about because it's happened so many times in the last few months. I haven't read anything about FBI blocking anything except further investigation into the Epstein files...
If the FBI is blocking investigations into an ICE shooting that doesn't even make sense on its face because there's no reason they'd be involved. So I'd be very curious as to whether or not that is confirmed to be happening and it would make me question the legitimacy of this particular instance happening as ICE claimed.
If there's video of law enforcement kicking candles at anyone's vigil then regardless of context those guys are acting like pieces of shit. But I fail to see how that's relevant as to whether or not the shooting itself was justified. That would be solely based on footage of the incident itself.
Sure, but that doesn't excuse the shooting. No one is saying she should've driven away. She shouldn't have. She shouldn't have been there in the first place. That doesn't give the ICE agent the right to shoot her.
ICE agents have repeatedly detained, charged, and assaulted people for doing absolutely nothing wrong. There's plenty of evidence to back that up.
Maybe because ICE doesn't go to rural Missouri?
Something you're entirely ignoring is the fact these law enforcement officers are specifically trained to deescalate first. That's not what was happening in the video. She was being approached and yelled at by ICE agents to "Get out the fucking car" instantly escalating the situation. The ICE agent also then started yanking at her car door before she presumably panicked and tried to run. Tell me, if someone started yelling at you and yanking at your car door, and the only background you had on that person was that previous people dressed the same way usually throw people to the ground and cuff them with no actual reason to do so, would you not panic?
OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY is a crime. It doesn't matter how to feel about it, it is.
What is also not shown in the video is that this woman had been using her vehicle to try and disrupt ICE activity all morning and according to the statements of other officers she almost hit one of their vehicles earlier in the day. Everyone who thinks this is some kind of unconscionable action generally know almost anything about the situation other than their feelings on 8 second video.
Well, maybe the armed, masked, and jackbooted thugs sent into your neighborhood are a reason to be afraid?
And I'm sure the children ICE tear-gassed in Chicago were just the most awful lawbreakers. Or the many, many citizens who have been dragged off in cuffs for nothing more than the suspicion of being an illegal immigrant are imagining things.
Maybe the reason this only happens in liberal cities is because Mr Trump is deploying his Waffen SS disproportionately to those places?
The entire situation was avoidable if the ICE agents hadn't detained this person's vehicle. She was committing no crime, so they had no reason to do so. And they're fucking armed.
It's truly unbelievable how little logic you demonstrate. I mean, I guess that makes sense, you are sitting here defending a paramilitary force as they murder their way across the nation, but yeah... always remember that they can always come for you next. You're sitting here cheering the murder of liberals, defending the guys who are literally armed and masked as they gun down innocent civilians, but can you imagine if Joe Biden or Barack Obama had sent in federal officers to confiscate illegal guns, but only in conservative areas? You'd be calling for armed revolt.
For every person who thinks "well if she didn't commit a crime she had nothing to fear, she brought this on herself," I hope you'd feel the same way if it was people shooting and killing you and your friends and political allies for some cause the left champions, like gun control.
The cope is hilarious. Comparing the arrest & ejection of literal criminals to the age old example of outright gun confiscation is just asinine. Obstruct officers enforcing the law and become worm food at your own risk.
Do you think federal immigration law should be enforced?
fuck around and find out, especially when dealing with untrained 80 IQ agents
Honestly surprised this didn't happen sooner
a Literally Who talks to two anonymous sources who confirm this guy is guilty- compelling.
Guess what? I talked to THREE sources (no I will not say who but believe me, they are some heavy hitters) who say that he is innocent and under Minnesota law this grants him the right to take possession of her car and be crowned the next king of the Minnesota state fair
Why are you so eager to savor the taste of boot?
Genuinely weird behavior, dude. Not something a "corp titan" would do, that's for sure.
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