Jonathan Kaye Arrested
They got our boy. Just saw the news that he was arrested for second and third degree assault charges. Would love to hear thoughts.
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He’s not my boy. I don’t condone what he did
Bring on the MS. I DONT CARE
Feel like every WSO talking point in the immediate aftermath of the incident has been debunked.
Regardless of your views on self defense, reacting to having water thrown at you by punching a woman 2/3 your size is absolute pussy behavior. Looking forward to seeing Mr. Kaye picking up trash as part of his community service sentence.
Ignoring the part where they made him bleed?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13564123/Millionaire-investmen…
"He fell or he was chest bumped, and can't remember that bit. But he ended up on the pavement with them four over him."
Lol if even he can't commit to having been pushed then he definitely just fell on his own ass.
His post of his “injuries” was one of the wildest things I’ve ever seen.
From a PR perspective, I get why he posted that. Not blaming him for trying to get in front of the media narrative and defend his side of the story.
But like come on man, his “injuries” looked like some playground wounds that were posted on Nextdoor by some Karen LOL.
You mean when he tripped after trying to throw a massive hook? 😂😂
Excuse me sir. Stop ruining this forum's finance bro brain rot.
This website isnt for the critical thinkers. Its for the MAGA sheep / the (Im fiscally conservative but "socially liberal) crowd that hasnt read objective journalism or learned something new since Poli Sci 101. Not surprised.
kvicha is pretty awful, 4-1, viva espana
Hows ur ER internship going?
You sound like the typical soyboy that wouldn't even throw a punch to defend his family
Hahahahahaha
Watch out, guys. We’ve got a Very Smart Person here. He probably went to a very impressive university. He might even read The Economist.
You're saying hitting a woman 2/3 your size is pussy behavior but that is gentleman/traditional values. The problem is these harrassers are not acting woman-like, and American society has pushed for women getting everything men get, even when they don't deserve it (women's soccer is the best example), while still expecting to be treated special as women. Can't have it both ways. If society is going to go along with feminist ideology, the result SHOULD BE equal rights means equal lefts, and these hands are rated E for Everyone💪
LOL, so you are just supposed to stand there and take people throwing an unknown liquid on you? Cope much?
To your third point... You do not know immediatly what is thrown on you and throwing liquid (even water) on someone can be considered an act of assault. Also the liquid in the video is clearly red... May just be red water, but when a red liquid is thrown at you your first thought is not, "ohh it's just water"
Crazy by the New York DA. Typical of a DA notorious for political cases and moves. Clearly a move to pander to the more Liberal media.
He won't get convicted, especially since an unedited version of that video will be required in evidence and I can imagine the unedited video is not as one sided.
God bless him, and god bless America. May he beat the charges and enjoy a cushy retirement.
Thank god 🤣
Lots of confusion on here as to how laws work in New York. It's actually very straightforward. I'm attaching a helpful guide, particularly for interns worried about their time in New York:
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Immigrate illegally and stab someone? We all make mistakes.
Beat up Jews for their religion? Resistance takes many forms.
Vandalize? Stores have insurance. What's important is the cause!
Steal from Stores? Wealth redistribution!
Be Republican? Straight to prison, fascist!
Stand up for yourself? Not in this city, bucko! Allow yourself to get beat up in the name of a free Palestine, or face justice!
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Lol. Thanks for the meme.
Thank god I live in the suburbs where it's a fairly even split of Republicans / Democrats. Otherwise, this is surprisingly accurate of modern day NYC (all jokes aside).
Same here. Suburbs are paradise.
It's like an episode of the Simpsons lmao
Snape: Obviously
Israel (and the Jewish people) are the only country/group that are expected to “tone it down,” when attacked. If Kaye was from an ethnic minority and had punched someone in response to being called racial epithets, I guarantee you the outcome would be different. For decades, Jews have stood beside the oppressed, and this is how we are treated in return. Am Yisrael Chai.
Amen to that. Imagine the group with more hate crimes per capita committed against it than any other group (by far), and facing more persecution throughout history than any other group, and people still deny it or act like Jews don't have self-determination. It's not a competition, but you can't deny the facts or act like constant open season on the Jewish people is acceptable. Am yisrael chai
The only group that exceeds Jews as targets of hate crimes are black people, and per-capita it's completely switched. There are more than 5x the number of black people in American than there are Jews (13% of the population vs. 2.5%), but only 3x the number of hate crimes against them.
(https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/hate-crime)
I am proud to say we have stood by the oppressed and that we have become the most successful and wealthiest ethnic group in the United States. I am not proud that an unhinged 52 year Jewish investment banker slugged someone in the street. The spontaneous instinct to deck someone should go away once you graduate from junior high school
Police officer > Investment bankers
Clearly one gets suspended with pay and the other gets terminated and put in a cell LOL
Full video is out on twitter. Not sure why it wasn’t released earlier.
https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1807912563902144884
They attacked him; he did nothing wrong. Self defense, fight or flight response. He should have his job. Ridiculous.
Lmfao you serious? Your mentality is why bulge brackets are hiring more and more navy seals
Are you blind? The video starts with water being thrown on him, but there is NO ONE attacking him. The first guy he encounters in the green scarf tries to actually help him by holding him back. However, Kaye shoves this guy. Notice how this is when the red liquid is thrown, probably to prevent Kaye from advancing further towards the group. They then have an argument and the liquid is thrown again. Kaye then proceeds to throw a terrible punch and fall over on the concrete - this is where his injuries turn out to be self inflicted. He then gets up and gets in the face and shoves the second guy in red trying to hold him back and help him. Kaye can’t get past the guy in red despite trying to physically move him. So he decides to go sideways and shove the woman next to him onto the ground. After shoving the previous lady, he then punches another woman.
By the time all is said and done, Kaye has some liquids thrown on him but is the first person to shove or punch a handful of others. He is also able to move towards the group as they are backing away. This last part here can sum up why his self-defense excuse is not viable.
Did this water and red liquid threaten him? Were the liquids antisemitic? Just curious how you think HIS ESCALATION of the situation gives him the right to assault people. He had plenty of chances to just stop and walk away with his dignity and job intact.
This lunatic pushes away the “it’s not worth it bro” white knight and proceeds to yeet some pudgy, bohemian androgyne, whose head almost makes contact with the wheels of a moving car…
There is no place for bigotry and racism, but having some libtard insults and a couple of Big Gulps thrown at you should not permit you to act like a madman.
Going to be hilarious when a bunch of rainbow folks get slapped with hate crimes. I am getting the popcorn out for this.
Normal person: Sees political group you disagree with walking down the street. You ignore them, and you continue on with your day.
Jonathan Kaye: Sees political group you disagree with walking down the street. You tell them they are 'on the wrong side'. You engage in an argument with them. It escalates. They throw water you which is infuriating as hell, but is not life threatening. You try to fight them. A guy holds you back and tries to de-escalate. Another person throws a drink at you. You break through the group and push a person to the ground, falling down in the process. Then you get back up and punch another person in the face.
Per the extended CCTV recording, Kaye was walking down the street when these people started shouting things at him. He ignored them, and kept walking, at which point a third member of the group walked past him and intensified whatever it was they were saying, enough to make him confront them. It’s not like he approached a political group he disagreed with at random, they engaged with him. He was then surrounded by a group of around six people who continued saying things to him, and then threw drinks in his face and hit him with a bottle (assault under NY State law if the drinks cause harm or put the target they were thrown at in fear of harm). Now, it could be argued that he had what’s known as a “duty to retreat,” in this situation, but, seeing as he was surrounded, that may have been difficult. Bearing in mind the current climate and Kaye’s surroundings at the time (a dark night in NYC, surrounded by a group of antisemitic protestors, who then escalated the situation by throwing the liquid and hitting him with the bottle), I think it’s reasonable to assume that Kaye was afraid of being harmed, which led him to react the way he did. That’s the point I’m trying to make here. Could Kaye have walked away while the interaction was only verbal? Sure, it’s probably what I would’ve done in the interest of preserving my livelihood. But as someone whose family endured the Shoah, and who currently has relatives in Israel, I understand why Kaye felt the need to verbally confront them. These are the same protests where people are screaming that Hitler was right, and that they wish he was still alive. I’ve heard that Kaye’s a father, and he could’ve easily been thinking about his children as he was hearing the slurs, which, by the way, were still being shouted at him as he was leaving the courthouse with his attorney, where someone tried to stab him with a set of keys. I, and many other people, have been on edge this past year. I have had conversations with friends and family, who tell me they feel like they know what it was like to be alive during the pogroms, or in Germany in the 1930s, when groups of antisemitic demonstrators intimidated Jews in Germany, the rest of Europe, and in America in certain cases. It’s been an emotionally draining year. That’s my take on the situation. Do I condone hitting women, or abusing women, or anyone? Emphatically not. Do I also understand that Kaye may have felt he was acting in self-defense? Yes. I’ll add, it’s not as if he incited the protesters. For all of the arguments that Kaye should have walked away, I don’t understand how anyone is not questioning why the protestors felt the need to accost someone walking down the street, and why that sort of behavior is being tolerated. This isn’t exactly a one-sided situation where Kaye aggressively incited them.
The Daily Mail article I’m including has screenshots of the CCTV recording of the situation, and is pretty detailed in its description of what happened. Read the entire article, look at the pictures, and then judge the situation for yourself.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13590129/amp/Millionaire-banker-Jonathan-Kaye-attacked-outside-court-charged-assault.html
To begin with: why does your own source demonstrate that Kaye has the capacity for not violence in similar situations? Your own source is a pretty good indicator that Kaye knows what he did is wrong.
This is untrue. According to every source that's out there, Kaye was the one that started the interaction. He walked by them and said they were 'on the wrong side' before the argument escalated.
The lesson for everyone on the board is: Just don't engage with randoms on the street like this. You cannot win. Even if you win, you lose.
that's the problem with modern society in US: people don't talk to each other if they hold different beliefs, instead they stay in their echo chamber and get radicalized. it's not healthy. it would be much better if people could openly disagree with each other and debate peacefully without throwing water and fighting.
Where is the unedited video?
I had posted the full footage released recently. WSO mods took it down. Censorship still prevails in here.
Insane that they took down that post. Legit fuck these leftoid mods.
Here: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1807912563902144884
well, looks like they were throwing drinks at him multiple times trying to provoke him. he didn't start pushing anybody until they started throwing drinks at him.
will be interesting to see what the result of the legal dispute will be.
That video doesn't help Jonathan's cause
Anti-Semitic slurs hurled? Undoubtedly wrong and potentially criminal. Kaye's outrage? Justified. But does verbal assault warrant physical retaliation? Absolutely not. We can't morally equate words with fists. Hate speech may violate federal law, yet violent response remains equally illegal. A society permitting vigilante justice invites chaos. Kaye's reaction? Grossly disproportionate. The path forward? Accountability for both sides. Protesters should face consequences too. But Kaye's firing? That's a step too far. Words wound, but violence solves nothing.
Hate speech is not illegal
Is it not? I thought there were laws regarding it. I am pretty sure if you commit a crime based on race, you can be charged for it as a hate crime. And it wasn't just "speech" – they did throw water here, which, let's be honest, is both provocative and assault to some degree in New York State even if it is just water
Having a drink (or two) thrown in your face is considered assault under New York State law, if it harms the victim or causes said victim to feel as if there is an intent to cause him violent harm. Look at this image of the situation. How easy would it have been for him to walk away at this point? Then there’s the added variable of being hit in the face with a bottle. If Kaye felt threatened in this situation (and I can see how he would), I can understand why he would react the way he did. Is there an argument to be made that he should’ve walked away when the protestors started taunting him? Sure. But by the same token, why did the protestors have to engage him? Why is nobody questioning the fact that in America in 2024, Jews are being accosted with antisemitic slurs while they are walking down the street?
I'm not excusing anyone. Protesters should face consequences. Hurling anti-Semitic slurs is never okay, regardless of reason. They should be equally held accountable for hate crimes. Even though I agree with their underlying motive, I still think their actions are not okay and give a bad name to people who care about these issues but aren't so reckless. I don't get why it's even allowed (First Amendment seems odd sometimes). Both are accountable for different things. I agree that only one person is being targeted and held accountable, but he's being held accountable for something he did do. The key difference is that the others aren't being held accountable at all. It'd be better if both were charged.
You are justified (under the law, and by common sense) to use physical force to defend yourself when you reasonably believe there is a threat of force being used on you. You don't have to wait to actually get hit.
Kaye was confronted by an angry and aggressive mob. He tried to walk around them, and they responded by blocking him and throwing drinks at him. I think that's easily enough of a threat for him to respond physically.
We need to see the full video, but unless she had done something insane to him before, there's no reason he should have hit her with a haymaker like that. I don't care if she said something "mean". You should have something in your head that blocks you from punching most people like that, much less a woman. That was not self-defense.
I had posted the full video FULL FOOTAGE but WSO MODS took down my post LOL. Censorship still runs
Full video is here: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1807912563902144884
She's part of a mob that's attacking him. She approached him while he was dealing with one or more other members of her mob. He's under no obligation to be like "oh, she didn't do anything so I can't hit her". Everyone in the mob was a threat by that point.
Admitting that he hit someone who wasn't causing harm to him is certainly... a choice.
FULL FOOTAGE OF INCIDENT AVAILABLE ON TWITTER. Being shared by user "Collin Rugg" on X. Mods are deleting my posts/comments thus cannot share directly.
here is the full video, really hope these f***ers get charged for starting this shit
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-02/longer-video-of-ex-m…
So the city that refuses to prosecute crime will throw the book at a white rich dude acting in self-defense.
Our boy got violently heckled by radical left blue hair activists after leaving the courthouse.
https://nypost.com/2024/07/01/us-news/new-video-reveals-millionaire-ban…
These people are evil. NYC Jews better wake up to this and vote Trump in November.
Disgusting to see. Those people ought to be charged.
That video demonstrates how Jonathan knows what he did was wrong
From what I see, it's more like leftists and POC know they are immune from prosecution as long as Alvin Brag remains as NY DA so they can intimidate and borderline assault Kaye with total impunity right outside the courthouse. On the other hand, Kaye knows that whatever he does, if he responds to them, it would just lead to additional charges even though there is clear footage of him being verbally abused, pushed around and thrown a drink at.
Most Jews will not vote for Trump unless they are orthodox or over 70.
NYC libs getting exactly what they have voted for
I wasn’t there and am not inclined to take a position one way or the other, but I think the bank should’ve stuck by him until the case worked itself through the legal process. NYC’s legal system is politicized and rotten now so a conviction wouldn’t necessarily mean he did anything wrong, but the bank should’ve at least stuck by him while the process played out.
Also, as a general rule, I have no idea why adults are so comfortable harassing other adults in public and thinking they won’t get punched in the face. Maybe it’s how/where I grew up, but if you start harassing someone on the street, particularly as a group, why wouldn’t you expect that person to punch you in the face?
People are really delusional about how they can treat each other and how much of their prima donna behavior others should tolerate.
I think it's less about the charges against him and more about the fact that he needs to understand as a senior person in a maligned profession, that he doesn't get the same privileges as everyday people. He doesn't get to walk up to a protesters and criticize them because it could lead to a bad publicity situation that will hurt the business.
He has worked with firm leadership a long time and is no doubt friends with them. And they have enough F-you money to say "F you" to outside pressure if they want to keep employing a friend who was wronged. But he let them down by failing to avoid the situation.
“But he let them down by failing to avoid the situation.”
I reject this framework. Mr. Kaye appears to be carrying groceries. He didn’t put on a political t-shirt and show up as a counter protester looking for an argument. He’s minding his business, being a normal person.
Just because he’s a highly successful person in a profession that is unfairly maligned by ignorant people who don’t understand that modern societies can’t function without capital markets doesn’t mean he should have to “avoid the situation" by altering his walk home from the grocery store to accommodate delusions of grandeur held by a group of the mentally ill.
This sort of thinking emboldens the mob. It causes escalation. Him being arrested for this will likely lead to other normal people being harassed, and on and on it goes until eventually you get a “Kenosha Kyle” situation and everyone clutches their pearls and expects us to feel sorry for grown adults who were part of a mob that was burning down family-owned car dealerships at 2:00 AM.
People have a right to protest. IDK much about the Israel/Palestine issue and that’s not the issue.
The issue is that Jonathan Kaye appears to be a model citizen who’s never been in trouble, is minding his business and being normal, and now his life is being destroyed because he apparently failed to meet the expectation of letting a mob of roaming crazy people throw water and potentially hurl racial slurs at him.
This is why a lot of normal people people leave places like NYC. This is why I left NYC. It is pathological to elevate the interests of the noisy mob over the interests of the quiet citizen who is simply trying to go about his day. There is a very clear political message being sent here— that “some animals are more equal than others,” as Orwell put it. And every time stuff like this happens, more net-contributor tax-paying normal people decide to move and live somewhere else.
Why is a conviction required to terminate an employee?
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To be clear, as a legal or regulatory matter, I’m not suggesting it should be. It’s a judgment call and they’re within their rights. But if I worked there, I would be making a mental note that even if I sacrifice so much to become an MD at a major bank—and Moelis is impressive, no doubt—I’m going to be thrown under the bus before the process plays out if I happen to be the next person caught in a truncated viral cell phone video and politically prosecuted by NYC’s cesspool of a “justice” system.
I've never cared enough to pay attention to whatever was going on, really, but assault is still assault. You wouldn't know what was in the basin when it splashes you, it can only be perceived as an attack.
Knowing the courts, he'll probably beat the charges.
I don’t agree with his approach but he’s a fellow banker so he should be allowed to get away with it. Free Jonathan Kaye!
By all accounts (including what Kaye told his Moelis colleagues), he was the one who instigated the argument by saying they were 'on the wrong side' or "useful idiots". He was the one who escalated it. He was the only person to use physical violence in the entire video. I don't know what was going through his mind.
You can see it all in this video: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-07-02/longer-video-of-ex-m….
He is the one that approaches the group and escalates the argument (as opposed to the group walking towards him, or encircling him as he claimed).
They throw water at him only after he aggressively calls them out and walks up to them
A guy even tries to de-escalate! And Kaye just pushes by him, then pushes one woman down and punches another woman in the face. He doesn't go after any of the men though lol.
Not a single anti semitic slur heard.
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