NYC Rent is becoming a caricature, like they want us to say "this is ridiculous!". What do you guys think

I currently live in Murray Hill and come this summer, my lease ends and I will no longer be able to afford where I currently stay. Rent is going up to almost 3 grand for my studio and other studios in my area are 2k at the minimum. Given NYC laws of making 45x the rent, I need to be pulling in 135k on my base to be qualified to live here. 

I have tried searching every neighborhood near where I currently stay but it only gets worse unless I move to Queens or Brooklyn and the fact that I as a banker can no longer afford to live in the city is so comical it does not make any sense, who is going to move into my studio? A VP or MD? I am going to have to move to Harlem to be able to get anything livable and a few people here on WSO have echoed the same plans once their lease ends.

Even the apartments I am seeing in Harlem are barely affordable and this is why the very moment I can, I am hightailing it back to London where I can get a 1br for GPB1500 that comes furnished in a nice area where muggings, shootings and the odds of being shoved on train tracks are almost non existent. 

I hear things are only going to get worse this summer as there will be more people looking for housing and WFH is rolled back, so my studio might be going up to 4k per month.

How do you guys think this all ends. It has to end somewhere! My building and the ones in my surrounding area currently have a lot of units up for rent for a while at these ridiculous prices (USD6k+) but no one is biting and they don't want to reduce the rent, its almost like they want to hold on for as long as possible suffocate us with high prices so we have no choice but to cough up and pay. 

What're your plans when your lease ends, assuming you are planning on living alone.

 

45x base is just a guideline, they will be fine to approve you once you show two years of tax returns.

As far as the high rents, the market bears what it can bear.

Maybe your building is super desirable or the location is very popular. If what you say is true, no one will rent your place and the owners will have to lower the rent. You can be proactive and reach out and see if they are willing to give you a lower price since you’re a known quantity and have been a good tenant.

In general, getting bigger places with roommates leads to a lower overall rent per person. So maybe try making some freinds?

 

If your parents co-sign you will be fine. What you have to understand is that these crazy requirements are in place to protect the land lord. They need legal deniability if they don’t want to rent to someone and these high requirements give them a reason to.

you will also notice in rental agreements the actually stated rent is much higher, but they are giving you a lower rent in a rider to the main agreement since they can only raise the rent a certain percentage a year.

in short, as long as you work in finance and have parents to co-sign, you’ll be just fine.

 
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The usually guidance is 40x (recently more have been asking for 45x but that isn’t required, and definitely not a law). 

I would say two things: 1) what smoke frog has already said, the market will adjust as needed, this is supply and demand but 2) you must not be looking hard enough. There are plenty of 1 bedroom and studio apts between 2-3k. Including some in full service buildings with gyms and other amenities. $2.5k isn’t a huge budget but it is definitely doable. That’s just what it costs to live in nyc right now, that’ll change over time as the market clears, but it is an expensive city that attracts all kinds of people. Not sure what you are complaining about, it is exactly what I would expect someone in finance to understand. 

 

We just did a refi of a building in Murray Hill with studios and junior 1's between $2,200 and $2,900. Def not a luxury doorman building, but definitely livable. They had a ton of rollover in the last year and the new leases are all in the 18-24 month range as the owner is looking for more stability in his rent roll. NYC rents are and have been crazy for a long time but that is the nature of renting in NYC - source "The rent is too damn high" guy. Good deals are out there but it takes some additional legwork and being proactive rather than waiting for something to hit StreetEasy. 

 

A strategy I found useful is making connections with realtors via streeteasy. Most realtor companies have their own batch of units they are looking to rent that aren't on streeteasy. This will give you access to those units. But honestly, if you only look on streeteasy you will be fine. The biggest thing is moving quickly when you find something you like. 

 

At 4-5k you will do just fine on streeteasy. It's still not "luxury" at that point except Fidi/murray hill, but you will probably get a DW and maybe even W/D at that price. Bigger issue is how competitive that price range is, the open houses will be packed with tons of applicants. Be ready to go with all documents, maybe even ask for an application pre-open house on places you really like so you can fill it out in advance, and submit it the second you leave an open house.

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Fully agree, I always thought NYC was crazy even with the higher salaries vs. London. I'm paying £2,500 for a lovely 2BR in Zone 2 that's a 5 min walk from the Tube and I can't imagine forking out $6,000+ for a 2BR in a similar area in NYC...

 

This is almost always allowed, unless the lease prohibits otherwise (why would it) or the unit is rent-controlled/stabilized 

Especially in a net vs gross rent situation, a subletter would usually pay the gross since that's the monthly cash flow on the apartment and the 1 month free is long gone (unless the unit is not moving, but every sublet I've seen in this market is for gross rent)

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I'm a similar age to you and havent had roommates since my 1st year out of undergrad. Dont know any associates living with roommates, feel like with a 150-175k base you can afford at least a studio (starts around 2.7k for a non shit hole)

Go all the way
 

I'm in the same situation with the same mindset. No family. Don't own a home. So I live with roommates.

I would especially NGAF if I were working IB hours and only sleeping in my room most of the time I was home.

 

I’ve interviewed extensively in NYC for apartments and roommates. Probably have interviewed 50 people and 40 apartments for 3 moves. Here’s one place that was a 4BR on 6th and B with a big living room, big enough to accommodate this 6ft by 8ft painting and large 8 foot glass table. There was a large L shaped couch on the other side of the room.

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"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
 

Bite the bullet. Analyst years are about surviving; spend as much as you need to in order to stay sane. Spent almost 2.6k per month in the mid 2010s for a studio (think this studio is low 4k per month now). 

There's still some studios out there in the 3-4k per month range in luxury buildings if you look hard enough. If you're having trouble with 45x income or security deposit, try using rhino or have a wealthy friend help you out. 

Better life ahead if you can stick it out. 

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