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That there is only one path to get each job and if you didn’t do x, y, and z in order that it’s impossible to break in to ___ job. Sure, xyz might be the easiest way to break into whatever industry, but it’s not the only way, and it does readers a disservice by telling them they shouldn’t even try. Hustle, intelligence, and ingenuity are unfortunately underrated here.

 
"Moneykee" That there is only one path to get each job and if you didn’t do x, y, and z in order that it’s impossible to break in to ___ job. Sure, xyz might be the easiest way to break into whatever industry, but it’s not the only way, and it does readers a disservice by telling them they shouldn’t even try. Hustle, intelligence, and ingenuity are unfortunately underrated here.

This is probably the biggest one.

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"Moneykee" That there is only one path to get each job and if you didn’t do x, y, and z in order that it’s impossible to break in to ___ job. Sure, xyz might be the easiest way to break into whatever industry, but it’s not the only way, and it does readers a disservice by telling them they shouldn’t even try. Hustle, intelligence, and ingenuity are unfortunately underrated here.

The problem is really more like when people say:

“Simply do x, y, z and you will get in.

Maybe doing x, y, z will work, but it’s not a sure thing. The only thing you can do is just try and see if it does, because you don’t have a lot to lose anyway.

 

This lol. Have yet to meet anyone (even at Moelis) who actually averages 100+ hours a week. This would require you to average getting in at 9:30 and leaving at 2:30 Monday-Thursday, working 9:30a - 9:30p on Friday, putting in 6 hours on Saturday, and doing something like 11am - 1am on Sunday every single week. Have met a few guys where it seems like this is half their time in banking, but even then they have some 70 hour weeks thrown in.

 

This sounds unreal. I would be able to swing 9:30 to 2:30 Monday-Thursday, and maybe the 9:30a - 9:30p on Friday if I got Saturday to rest and recover, but the another 6 hours on Saturday? If anyone actually does this consistently, that's crazy.

 

The biggest lie on this forum is that if you don't go to a private boarding school for grades K-12, get into H/S/W for undergrad, do a freshman internship in consulting at MBB, and spend your entire college experience practicing case studies and LBO construction, you're a failure.

I know straight white male sophomores at non-target state schools who have gotten internships in bulge bracket investment banking and mega hedge funds. As long as you're not a complete dipshit and you're decent looking and socially personable, you'll do alright.

 

The biggest lie is that what you're saying is actually true.

Seriously, there are so many posts titled "HELP NON-TARGET 2.9 GPA NO INTERNSHIPS WHAT TO DO," thinking they can get into a BB bank and going to a non-target is their ADVANTAGE because they've read similar posts.

Let's face the numbers - investment banks don't hire that many people. There are large pools of people from HYP, and other top 25 schools who have worked harder and are smarter than the millions of other mediocre morons attending state schools. Yet even for Ivy League students, getting into an investment bank makes college applications seem like a cake-walk.

If you're a moron attending a party school with a 2.9 GPA, you won't get into IB. Face the facts and just focus on living the life you have.

 

Not exactly a lie being told but I'm tired of seeing people asking about automation. It's like: "Will this fairly complicated industry that requires managing relationships and face to face interactions be automated soon when cashiers and truck drivers are still not showing serious signs of automation?"

Chances are, by the time IB, Consulting, PE, Corp Fin or any job discussed on this forum disappear, not only will you be dead but also most jobs as we know today won't look anything like what they look like today.

If people are still becoming low-level bookkeepers at your nearest Big 4 then I'm sure your Wall St IB job is alright.

 

Well said. Not trying to be a dick-head but like either way I don't see the reason people worry about that before getting an offer on paper. Like why?

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Automation is the biggest boogie man of this century. There's something about people. They're so attracted to this idea of creating something that in turn leads to our destruction. It's an archetype that is very closely bound to our psyche. You see it in pop culture, science, academia, etc. There's just very little merit to it. If anything, it's our stale education system that creates friction (not innovation).

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If you have a 3.5 GPA and target school, you'll get a decent job. I have those stats and have barely gotten any interviews, using a popular resume template, although I have lackluster work experience.

 

it really depends on what you are trying to do.

a 3.5 GPA in basket weaving from Stanford vs a 3.5 in Computer Science will yield vastly different job prospects.

just google it...you're welcome
 

That any local hidden variable theory can produce the same predictions as quantum mechanics. Get your heads out of your asses and learn Bell's theorem, sheeple.

 
"Henri Poincaré" It's more that it never gets said than that anyone says the opposite, but being nice to people really matters.

For instance, everyone's always talking about networking as a means to an end, as if to say "if I chat on the phone with 10 alums this week, they'll get me in meetings with important people." I think that's sort of twisted. It's not that this won't work, but when you have the opportunity to forge a professional relationship with someone, why not try to make it a lasting one? In order to do that, I think you have to start connecting with people as human beings instead of rungs on a ladder.

I see this sort of thing pretty often. If you ever go to a career fair, and you see the kid throwing elbows to rattle off a list of 20 prepared questions, you understand what I'm talking about. Being ambitious doesn't preclude your being considerate.

This holds true for even the most senior people. It frustrates me when I see powerful people being jerks, and it's not just because they're abusive to nobodies like me. It's also because there's a good chance they'll be on the rocks themselves at some point. In times like that, you lean on your reputation. I've heard a few stories of guys for whom a reputation for treating subordinates poorly made it impossible to recover from a late-career stumble.

Piggy backing off of this, but also good advice when you go to a job interview. Have a discussion with the person interviewing you and ask questions based on what you talked about that day.

 
"Henri Poincaré" Being ambitious doesn't preclude your being considerate.

+SB, this is the part that too many people never understand.

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One lie that continually persists throughout this site is that it is impossible to get into IB from a non-target. I have heard many non-target success stories and am one myself. Is it harder to break through for non-targets? Yes, but it's not impossible. This site gives you so many resources that nowadays it's all about the commitment and dedication to landing that job at a BB instead of just the school you attend.

 

Definitely true, and also I feel like non-target's lack of representation is a lot of times just about a lack of knowledge of certain opportunities.. And not just about the Bains and BCGs of the world, but if I go through my school's career center, there are dozens and dozens of consulting jobs at decent firms with competitive salaries that mainly hire out of top schools, and that I'd imagine a lot of non-targets would have a shot at, but many will especially never hear of these types of opportunities.

 

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