WSO Mods Deleting Comments w/o Reason (+ Buzzfeed article?)
The mods have been removing posts that don't even violate the site's guidelines. One of my latest comments was just telling someone to "shut up." That's it. And my response was removed. I know it was a snarky response but there was nothing racist or discriminatory about my comment. I think the website is becoming soft and it's not sitting well with the in-your-face attitude of bankers. Tbh this attitude is what makes the site funny too, like the BMO DCM dude shitting on the Risk analyst,
Also, has the Buzzfeed article ever been published? I don't think so. That was the main reason this site changed.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tomwarren
^that was the reporter, and it looks like he's not posted it
Unrelated to the topic of content moderation...
There is joke here but I didn't have the resources to attend an elite school like this journalist so I don't know how to write it.
He got a 2:1 in anthropology...
i second this. Couple of my comments were removed. It's becoming very anti-WSO culture to have to think twice. We don't want to risk this site becoming soft and woke, seriously
Devil's advocate: it's not soft and woke per se. It's a case of de jure vs de facto. They're acting in de facto but not de jure. It's been a highlighted socially injurious thing for a few of us lately, so hopefully it simmers down. I'm not saying I want Yhatzee's or Maoist central community garden parties on here either. But the 20 somethings bickering about Patagonia outerwear and what's the best IBD out of undergrad is hilarious and need to stay.
Mods: come at me if I'm wrong, but most of you are of the Ukranian or Eastern European realm aren't you? I believe that's what I've seen before, so I just want to clarify. That said, I'd offer an olive branch to see what we can do?
ummm, what?
It's Saturday night, so buckle in for the satirical rebuttal.
Put your high heels on because this apparently went over your head. If you couldn't catch the cultural references, that's a you problem. On top of that, there's been a big thread about how WSO is supported and curated by people involved in the Ukraine situation. Try and keep up young'in. I support them and I hope they're safe and continue to do well. Sincerely. Love this site and what they've done.
Also, if you want to move forward in your in your IB career, learn some Latin. Look it up while us senatorium and equestrian ranks strive on.
You're not living up to your namesake there bud. You're being two ply soft at best.
Yeah it's pretty damn annoying not just as a commenter but also as a reader.
all publicly is good publicly. WSBets can attest to that
WallStreetOasis.com what exactly are we allowed to talk about? It genuinely feels like we are not allowed to talk about 70% of things. I get that on the IB / PE / AM / etc forums, but why in the world is the censorship so deep in the OFF TOPIC forum? Banning racist / abusive content is totally fair, but choking off discussion of anything remotely worthy of debate honestly degrades the experience for everyone
One solution I'd offer is to maybe keep this level of moderation in all forums except for the OFF forum. That way both ends are achieved. Otherwise, it just destroys engagement and suppresses free speech. Personally my level of engagement has massively dropped since the new changes, I've tried to get into it but the only things allowed on OFF are super vanilla takes and uninteresting topics. It's incredibly frustrating that you've chocked off any healthy debate of any topic that matters
I’m a bit confused with your solution because wasn’t all of the moderation introduced because of problems caused in the Off-Topic forum?
One solution I’ve thought about is having sort of a second Off-Topic forum that is private for members only and has minimal moderation outside of gross violations. That way the public WSO is still corporate for those just visiting the site, but the regular members and those who want to participate can talk more freely. I know that there are more costs to this, so I’d even propose that WSO could charge a membership fee for this forum in order to participate.
You’re out of your damn mind if you think people would pay for a private forum. I use this bc it’s free - you’ll never catch me paying for it. Also, you need it public for new thoughts and ideas. Otherwise it becomes a circlejerk
Maybe we let the off-topic forum full open access to anyone above a certain number of bananas (eg. 100) and keep the trolls and journos away
yea man, i participate in several finance discussion groups where we meet in-person or everyone at least knows each other's real identities, a lot of times i can't 100% express myself out of fear of censorship/ cancel culture/ general icks. Not saying WSO is like the best finance forum out there, it definitely isn't (due to the fact that most of the demographic are prospects and interns), but the culture, vibe, camaraderie and most importantly anonymity makes it an excellent platform for free speech discussion. Several MDs on this site have already attested to the merit of WSO allowing them to converse freely with analysts and associates without a power imbalance, lets them see things from the ground. This excessive moderation is stupid
.
This 1000%, moderation here seems to be somehow even worse than plebbit.
Had a comment deleted for containing the word fuck, even tho 90% of it was useful advice.
At some point will just CBA to keep using the site.
Why was the comment above removed?
Edit: They restored it
Not to sound crass, but it does kind of lend credence to the initial argument of unmitigated moderation (deletion) of comments. Especially in the Off Topic realm where it's supposedly meant to be anything goes so long as you're not calling for violence or inciting/insinuating anything of the sort against any person or group (that's what I thought at least, and some others too).
Perhaps
"anything goes so long as you're not calling for violence or inciting/insinuating anything of the sort against any person or group"
This is a common sense approach and seems pretty easy to apply. Any comment bad enough to meet that standard would certainly attract a lot of MS, so moderators would have no need to read every comment. Can just review the ones that get flagged by a lot of MS. Many have suggested this approach.
And yet, WSO has said several times that the job is much harder than that and everything needs to be moderated. And thus there needs to be a lot of moderators; and since that's expensive, there needs to be semi-automated moderation (or some kind of corner-cutting solution that leads to the problems described in these comments). As someone suggested in the original thread, it sometimes feels like the difficulty is being built up as an excuse to over-moderate.
Feel like I can't even be myself anymore on WSO
LOL i feel like that speaks a lot abt you that abt WSO
You can’t be ultimate giver of shit advice
Excessive moderation ruins everything.
I rather have an occasional racist asshole call me a big lipped monkey in the middle of a heated debate while I comment on the promiscuity of their mother and sister rather than this heavy moderation.
I remember when the internet was the Wild West. Fun days.
I don’t need my WSO experience bubble wrapped. Most of us are adults who have gotten verbally shit on at least a few times during our analyst years.
Nothing anyone can say to me on the internet can compare to my old MD publicly shitting on me in the bullpen lmao.
A piece of me died that day and nothing online bothers me anymore. I think this attitude is much more prevalent on a finance forum than anywhere else. In conclusion, roll back the moderation. We already have Reddit for those don’t like mean online words.
I miss the old WSO. Glad to at least say that I was here in its glory days. It’s been a wild ride
So tired of this content moderation bullshit. Man the FUCK up and STAND up for your freedom of speech, or it will be taken away.
WSO just wants to sell courses. Patric doesn't care to provide you with an outlet for your thoughts or a forum for discussion. he just wants to attract prospects to the site to sell them his services, and he wants to limit his risks by censoring anything and anyone who might even remotely be considered behaving not business-friendly.
I don't understand you "free speech" die hards. Do you behave like this in the office, yelling at your bosses about free speech?
I'm genuinely confused, like this isn't Reddit or 4Chan. The creators that be have a plan and image for this community. Honestly, some of you just sound like petulant children.
Consider laterring to China?
English please.
Consider growing up
Free speech on this site means name calling when you disagree with someone. People like having the ability to call people autistic, retards. SJWs or whatever. I am not sure what is to like about it. Every site that I use restricts toxic behavior and if it is not restricted, very few people act this way. WSO was the last place people could go and still act like an asshole amongst your peers.
Seriously. No one is restricting useful content. If not being able to curse or use bigoted terms in a post is such a big deal, then you're not really here for the intended purpose of the site.
WSO isn't obligated to tolerate any speech they don't want to, and if someone doesn't like, they can leave. If WSO says "we don't like liberals coming on here and decrying bigots or fascists and we're going to protect those people from having their little snowflake lives insulted" then I'd stop using the site and that would be that. It says a lot about the people complaining about "censorship" that they don't just leave - the point is to be offensive, and you can't do it to someone else then you have no purpose.
Hahahah. You guys accepted censorship and now you can talk about nothing. Never accept censorship
What does that even mean? No one on this site had a choice about 'accepting it'
Eh...technically we did. No one normally reads them, but we did hit accept on a EULA when signing up. But obviously not under the assumption(s) that it'd get egregious. Like I mentioned above, there should be some certain rules in place, but definitely not willy nilly "do as I say, not as I do" actions where we don't even know what "is, is" to use a certain quote.
I post links to free poker tourneys and the mods delete them. These are PREMIUM freerolls with huge bounties on peoples heads. There is a $25K GTD freeroll starting at 6pm tonight with $5K bounties on two people's heads. You can knock them out 5x, which is $50K in bounties for a total of a $75K freeroll. Insane.
I don't understand how I am breaking TOS or why mods delete my posts by posting these AMAZING freerolls.
VAMOS ARGENTINA
Et minima quos consequatur eius. Atque libero eligendi sit est excepturi. Ut assumenda ducimus voluptates voluptatem quo dolor est. Repellat error ex maxime et id possimus voluptate. Sed voluptas est praesentium numquam beatae molestias quia. Optio aut earum consequuntur numquam omnis doloribus ab praesentium.
Soluta ut cum molestiae similique quis dolore et. Porro voluptas consequatur est sunt et. Aspernatur mollitia veniam necessitatibus sed facilis dolor inventore.
Repudiandae quisquam vel doloribus voluptas provident. Dicta non qui eveniet non quibusdam. Nesciunt illum dolor cumque molestiae molestiae maiores minus et.
Optio est eum nesciunt cumque similique officia. Sed dolorem optio dolor voluptatem perspiciatis quia. Et repellendus necessitatibus dolorem.
See All Comments - 100% Free
WSO depends on everyone being able to pitch in when they know something. Unlock with your email and get bonus: 6 financial modeling lessons free ($199 value)
or Unlock with your social account...
Quis ea aut est odio autem dolorem. Accusamus distinctio sit deserunt enim expedita iure. Ipsum assumenda quas repellat id nulla.
Tempore sint voluptas ipsa est sint facilis nihil. Ab quaerat est perspiciatis et expedita quia. Sed velit ullam asperiores quis quis.
Repellat temporibus temporibus incidunt quis earum ut suscipit doloremque. Ratione mollitia non quam aut. Occaecati ut error sed itaque. Ipsum dolorum dolorum qui voluptatibus. Ut laboriosam rerum eos animi dolorem voluptatum. Amet hic laboriosam nulla nisi est. Maxime reiciendis incidunt accusantium laboriosam.
Dolor fugit sed et praesentium. Corrupti dolor recusandae officia et. Quis totam enim sapiente. Quia doloribus esse ex.
Quos aliquam sunt odio velit magnam debitis tenetur est. Illum ea nulla eos consequatur debitis aut. Magnam velit veniam quia eos aut. Ad ea facere explicabo voluptates saepe minus nihil tenetur. Velit sequi beatae facere veritatis asperiores ipsum.