Are you in the office?
Are you in the office?
How many days a week?
Is this your firm’s permanent plan or are they staying flexible?
Are you in the office?
How many days a week?
Is this your firm’s permanent plan or are they staying flexible?
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OP: In the office 2 days a week, might move to 3 but this seems permanent
Every day in the office fml (NYC MF)
Is this Apollo or WP rippp
BX?
3x a week at least for rest of year, would imagine at least one day a week will be a remote going forward but TBD
3-4 days a week
Full fledged 5 days a week. Firm is led by an old school NYC trader who is on his death bed; can’t come soon enough. Dumbest shit ever.
LCOL city. 800mm AUM fund. Perma remote for all staff, work any city you want.
How’s your comp?
Poverty line
3 days/week. Tech MF.
Which one
Vista?
Apparently pwc is fully optional for in office or remote. You only travel for engagements the partner wants you to travel to
So basically work as usual…
I'm not sure, I haven't started yet but from interviews it sounds like my team has not travelled at all in the past 2 years even with this policy in place
In office M-Th, wfh Fridays
5 days a week. It’s absurd - I can do literally everything remote. Hired a new senior guy who apparently is pushing to be hybrid but no luck so far. We have lost some talent that has been replaced with arguably better people, but even the new guys are starting to realize it’s wack.
May be moving to a new firm soon so will see
I started going in the office back in 2020 before it was required, I'm sure I'm a bit older than most on this forum, but for a mid-career professional that has to manage people and still network, it's critical, i couldn't manage people effectively with 100% remote, i made them come in. In 2021, was 3 days a week and since summer 2021, 4 days a week but this includes client travel, where I have been on-site 2-3 days a week. I'm a restructuring guy, so I think its very crucial to be on-site a bit, but for other projects, more valuation or M&A due diligence, definitely a bit less on site or in office. I guess you have to ask yourself, is your current role a job or a career, if it's a career, be in the office and on-site, i have never gotten a client referral or networking referral from some zoom call. Also you don't learn from senior employees or get picked for the good deals if you are some remote after thought. Being in office, you will get asked to do a lot of things not necessarily client related, but learn the business, the sales, the marketing, the HR, get on calls with outside resources, maybe your sitting in a conference room and not allowed to talk, but you are learning critical things.
No doubt there is benefit to being in the office but fuck 5 days in the office
Everyday.
Officially Apollo is 4 days in the office, but I would say most people are averaging ~3 (T-Th). I expect that may wind down a little further as we head into summer.
Mandate is 3 days per week. I stuck to it for a while but recently I've been slipping to ~2 days / week. My mentality at this point is "fuck it... until I get a wrist slap I'm not going to be pumping up the numbers for my team / organization (we get evaluated as a group and if the group is under threshold they give a very gentle wrist slap along the lines of "come on we don't want to be on any naughty lists").
I kill it in office or WFH, fucking fire me if you want, lower my bonus if you want, but I'm gone the minute they do that.
I guarantee most of the team is around ~2 to 2.5 days / week average, and I know there's some back office folks that haven't come in at all and gone to the complete extreme of "fire me if you want"
3/wk. I’m switching teams soon and will
hopefully push to 2/wk. Ultimately believe there’s value to being in ofc. Strongly disagree that 5/wk is necessary. Think all dec + July/ aug remote and 3/wk in office is the right balance
firm policy is 3 days a week for advisors, 5 a week for staff unless they get permission (which everyone will get). I think this is a step in the right direction from our original policy of 5 days in a week (I'm at one of those banks whose CEO got flogged for mandating return to office too early), but in my opinion not far enough. the issue is this - it treats all business units, teams, and individuals the same and is very top down (the worst way to make decisions). for example, in PWM we get together for strategy and then all pretty much go our own way, like individual contributors but all rowing the boat in the same direction, unlike say a football team where everybody has a different job but works in unison on the same issue simultaneously.
I also realize that culture is important, but culture does not need to be built 5 days a week in person, culture comes from all sorts of things. it could be a happy hour after work, it could be through some in person 1:1 mentoring, or in my opinion, it could be gestures, like your boss actually giving you the autonomy to set your own deadline with a project, figure it out yourself, and once you get it QC'd, report back to the client yourself. it could also be a boss saying "hey you guys have worked hard this week, everybody log off this friday at noon, have a good weekend!" culture is not "we look at each other on the phone and computer all day and for those reasons I feel closer to you," fuck that, it's unique to every team.
on new business/new opps, if I were a younger employee and trying to figure it out, the above poster hawkeye has a good point on being seen. I would see what days most of the senior people are in the office and be seen on those days. I personally don't give a flying fuck but many people do and so you should cater to that. if being "seen" increases your chances of advancement, fine, but I question the premise on whether that should even be the case.
I know that the serendipitous pop-in has value, and sometimes good ideas come completely out of the blue and work best when people are together. but is the possibility of that a reason to dictate a policy that straps people to their desks 100% of the time? I think no. I think you leave it up to the team and then find ways to bring people together to actually build culture, like offsite retreats, team dinners/lunches/happy hours/special events, strategy meetings, or at a minimum, have a reason for coming to the office instead of just "we're an office culture."
one other thing I'd like to address that I've heard from my senior partners "I want people back in the office because I like seeing people in person." just like saying you'll never come into the office and only want to be 100% remote, this is incredibly selfish as it shows no empathy for people's personal preferences and assumes that the world and therefore the policies should revolve around what YOU want. this is why I think hybrid is the answer, have team meetings for sure, but when I look back on the years and years I spent in the office with my team (we're going on a decade together now), the amount of times where the office was a necessary social outlet for me was near zero. have your own friends, it's not the employees' responsibility to entertain you. if you actually care about people, you should respect if somebody doesn't want to come in 5 days a week because she just discovered her husband's having an affair and they have 3 kids and a 45 minute commute and you're an empty nester with a 5 minute commute and work 25 hours a week on a good week.
finally, lest I sound too complainy without offering solutions, if you want some ideas on how to manage this, here's what I'd do
the keys her are building consensus. nobody will be 100% happy because nobody ever is 100% happy, but if people are heard, respected, and have input, the decision will have much more staying power
TLDR - neither extreme (100% remote or 100% in office) is correct, it should be bottom up decision not top down, if you're early in career, do what people whose job you want do until you have independence, if you're a team leader, seek others' opinions rather than dictating
Was told it would be 5 days a week in the office. As a new grad, I don't really mind, will be better for learning, and getting to know the team.
Not in right now (living in different city). Going back in July and it's gonna be 1 day/ wk mandatory - I'm probably going to go in more than that though, I live pretty close to the office, so if others are in, I'd go just to hang out and be social.
WFH and if they try to drag me in I'll jump ship with no notice. I'm too goddamn close to retiring early to do that rat race bullshit again.
I'm of this same mindset. I'm not quite at retirement but close enough where IDGAF. I've put in my time, my ratings are excellent, so if they start pressing the issue, I'm gone.
3 mandatory days per week in office but flexibility around holidays, feel slightly sick, etc...
2-3 days a week. No one really cares. MM
~1x / week, most likely pushing towards 2x / week going forward for the near future.
If you're coming in more than 3 days a week, you work for a shit firm at this point. Be honest with yourselves.
There’s very little leverage a junior worker has though.
I got lucky with my team....3 days a week in office, 2 at home. But it sucks that I had to move and leave all my family and friends just cause Goldman Sachs and "DJ DSol" are mega cringe with the RTO policy. No lunch either. Sucks to suck
Real estate private equity in Chicago. Pretty firm in-office Monday thru Thursday. Friday at home
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