Co-Investing vs Buyout
Interested in learning more about co-investing vs buyout as a potential exit opp. Are there any benefits to joining a co-investing focused fund / team?
Interested in learning more about co-investing vs buyout as a potential exit opp. Are there any benefits to joining a co-investing focused fund / team?
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Will leave the floor open to people who have actually worked in it, but my understanding is it's a significantly easier lifestyle v. being a GP. You basically get sent deals by GPs and do 2-3 week DD sprints on them but don't really have to worry about sourcing, most of the annoying stuff around closing, and portfolio company ops.
I imagine it also pays quite a bit less, management fees on coinvest funds tend to be 1%.
People do co-invest for what's in theory better WLB. I will say that there are some co-invest firms out there that are pretty sweaty with heavy deal flow and you'll still end up working 8am-midnight pretty regularly during the week. Your weekends will typically be your own unless you have work from the week that you need to catch up on.
Pay is highly geographically dependent and you should be able to look up on Glassdoor what someone like Hamilton Lane pays. Management fees are usually 1% or less and carry is 10% or less.
Most juniors I've met in co-invest roles fall into two camps:
1) They joined straight out of college and thought they were joining a PE firm. They all want to leave as quickly as they can to do direct investing.
2) They did 1-2 years in banking and either on-cycle didn't go well for them or they're looking for better WLB.
Life as a mid-level co-investor isn't too dissimilar from PE. You're a deal quarterback and responsible for everything that the junior team does.
Life as a senior also seems pretty similar to PE. You made a bunch of money and once the carry starts rolling in, you're very comfortable. You also are always talking to LPs and fundraising.
In general, people who are career co-investors are deal junkies. You better love doing DD because that's almost all you do.
Great comment. Item #1 is a big thing for young people to be aware of. PE/HF/VC and anything else "buy side" has such a halo that firms on the periphery will make this their calling card for recruiting. They know young people are very sensitive to the path they're on and the circle/rung of professional society they're in. So they'll abuse these industry labels to talk someone into a job whose only benefit is the superficial connection to the arena that the candidate wants to play in.
I've seen many types of firms abuse this, and co-investment firms (including some of the big pensions) are one of many examples. So just be careful is all, ask pointed questions about what you'll be doing.
I would add that when an opportunity gets to a co-investment firm it isn’t the highest quality. Essentially, on a transaction the PE can access to a very broad range of additional capital including its LPs (usually eager to co-invest) and getting creative in terms of funding the transaction (ranging from vendor loans to mezzanine).
There’s for sure room for such kind of firms but I wouldn’t consider it as first (or second) choice.
Can somebody give any idea of VP+ comp at co-invest funds like Alpinvest, HarbourVest, etc? Looking for an idea of what total cash and carry looks like.
VP/director base is in the $150-250 range, depending on years of experience, geography, how cheap the place is, and how much cash bonus there might be. Carry is generally 0.25-0.5% of whatever funds get raised while you're there. This can come in large chunks if the firm focuses mostly on managing large, commingled funds, or it can come in lots of small pieces if the firm tends to have lots of separately managed accounts.
I was presented with a co invest associate / senior associate role and the base was $150-200k range. I would imagine it is much higher at the VP level
This seems a bit low, no? Believe all in for As1 at firms like AlpInvest, HarbourVest, Ardian is ~$250 and climbs to $300+ at Sr. As. At that associate comp level, wouldn’t VP+ be much higher unless they’re leaning heavily towards bonus or not raising VP comp much? I’m less sure about carry, but know a lot of these firms are raising a new fund across multiple strategies each year. Carry could be pretty large if they’re getting carry in each fund, even if the carry fee is only 10-12% instead of 20%.
The main benefit I would highlight is that in a Co-investment team you will see A LOT of deals. It can be preferable to a role in a mid-market fund where you work on the same deal for 9 months. Depends what you like! Sprinting on three different investment memos? Or updating the same presentation for the 47th time? Hint: both can be painful…
I just wrote a large blurb on this thread (https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/unpredictability-o…), but will add to the above that VP is likely in the $400-600K cash comp range (for the Harbourvest, AlpInvest, etc. funds based in NY) + carry which will be very fund dependent.
Deal velocity can be very high but associates will likely only have enough bandwidth (and brain cells) to focus on one at a time; the juggling happens more at the mid/senior level.
I would disagree with the above comment that life as a mid/senior level is similar to direct PE. In co-invest, you are able to leverage the GP's work instead of creating it yourself. It takes me much less time to dissect a GP's model and pull out the 10 relevant drivers to focus on in diligence, than to build it myself based on conclusions of the market work and other primary diligence. The "diligence" is effectively reading GP IC decks, third party DD reports, and creating question lists for a handful of GP deal team calls. I am not creating management schedules, reviewing drafts of QoE and trying to define EBITDA adjustments, doing market readouts, or any of the other regular DD tasks in direct PE that can be very time consuming. Typically, that translates to much more manageable WLB, although short syndications or active deals may result in some late nights from time to time ("late" being generally stopping around 8-10pm; it's very rare to have situations where we need to pull all-nighters). There is also minimal travel and management team wining & dining / sourcing, which can consume most of a mid/senior's time in direct PE.
I would echo that you are responsible for everything your junior does, so having strong support is essential and will factor a lot into how good or terrible your life is.
At the senior level, there is also much less focus on relationship building, sourcing deals, and thesis generation. To make partner at a PE firm, you typically have to establish a new investment niche/vertical, source a good deal, and prove yourself capable of building relationships with management teams and convincing them of your value creation strategy. This is where most people wash out after VP/Principal, as it's not an easy thing to do. The senior role in co-invest more focused on execution and simple relationship management with GP IR (whose jobs are to interact with you), so I would say overall less pressure and an easier path to partner (though for this reason, no one leaves, so it's important to join a growing platform). If you're at a FoF, you may get roped into fundraising and are expected to be productive there to be promoted.
Agree that WLB is highly shop-dependent and certain places can be very sweaty. Those are the places that have extremely fast fund velocity (raising and deploying every ~2-3 years) and so you are rewarded with more TC and space in the team for promotion.
Source: I work in co-investment at a SWF/pension, and used to work at an UMM PE fund
Thanks for this and your other post. Extremely helpful. I’m considering co-investment roles and your posts basically confirmed for me that it’s a space I want to be in.
I’d be curious if there are any other things one should look out for within a co-investment platform? You noted joining a growing platform as there can be little turnover, curious if there are other aspects like that?
Finally, based on your other post, if I’m understanding it correctly, at SWFs / Pensions that don’t charge carry do they typically pay higher cash comp to offset? Have you seen arrangements where you can invest alongside the platform?
Lots of questions there but really appreciate the insight you’ve provided.
So cash comp is on par with MM/UMM Buyout VPs in tier 1 cities ($400-$600k) based on these numbers and what comp threads have said in traditional PE?? This seems very high but nice if true. Can others confirm?
I’ve seen recent co-investment job postings that were in that range.
Edit: Will also add I feel like you normally hear about secondaries cash comp stacking up to be similar to MM/UMM PE so I would imagine co-invest comp is similar.
Thanks it's your post is very helpful! Wondering if you can share any interview prep tips? how it's different from the traditional buyout team interview?
Any thoughts around potential for an exit to a HF role from co-invest? On one hand, the job is relatively similar, you have access to lots of research / data and your job is simply to make investment decisions. You spend much less time on admin / execution which is not as relevant for a HF role and more time on assessing opportunities. In theory, doesnt this mean that a role like this is more aligned with HF? On the other hand, a role like this might be perceived as less "prestigious" as most ambitious people who are willing to work the hardest end up in vanilla PE / buyout, so maybe headhunters dont see this as a viable sourcing ground?
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