London Version: PE Check-in on Attrition, Promotions and State of Play
Hey all,
Have seen a lot of threads here about the lack of promotion, non-performing portcos, carry, saturation, fundraising difficulties and attrition at mid-levels in PE with bunch of people seeking to leave PE for a return to banking or different roles altogether. It seems a lot of this feeling is concentrated in the US - how is the London market holding up specifically regarding the above points?
The below threads paint a very sobering picture in all honesty.
Some relevant threads for context (most of these are from within last 12 months):
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/future-of-pe
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/do-you-regret-doing-pe
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/mid-level-attrition
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/mid-level-career-freeze
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/overall-pe-vibe-check
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/job-search/why-even-switch-from-ib-to-pe
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/unemployed-ex-pe-associates
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/to-all-associates-coming-up-on-the-2-year-mark-how-bad-is-it-to-have-no-deals
https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forum/private-equity/quitting-as-mid-level-with-nothing-lined-up
Bruv, we're fucked
Generally the same picture except you’re dealing with European fund waterfalls which means carry is even more delayed.
Aren't most US funds now switching to European waterfalls as well driven by LP pressure?
US funds in London pay with a US waterfall. Also what matters is vested carry, not distributed. Obviously all things equal you’d rather get carry cheques earlier but if it was easy everyone would do it!
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Seems like crickets here... lol what does mean ahaha
Bump - also curious. Industry seems pretty dire
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All comes down to fund selection, you need to join a fund that is growing (I.e. fund two cycles before is performing well / has returned good DPI + recent fund has good deployment track record), has a differentiated strategy (LP capital is limited, they all invest in the top performing funds / brand names so the rest needs to differentiate) and where there is space for growth (track record of internal promotions, room at the top for you in your vertical / geographic coverage)
If that’s the case - which involves a fair bit of luck - you can be in a pretty sweet spot where the job is super interesting, you quickly get paid £600k+ all in as a 30 something years old and you have a real shot at making a few millions through carry.
If you join a struggling fund - one with a few bad exits / who lost the keys on some assets or that has team churn issues and likely fundraising issues (I.e. it’s not clear where they are in the cycle, haven’t done deals recently and are likely to shrink so will need to cut the team) its tough.
It’s tough to know all this outside in, in practice people who are solid at their job end up in a pretty good spot but that involves moving around from one fund to another at least once if the first pick wasn’t right.
Definitely not as easy to make it a few years ago but worth it and exits are still great if for some reason you don’t like it or it doesn’t work out. The basic rules still apply - you need to work hard, be genuinely interested and be a nice person to hang out with.
Which funds pay £600k cash to 30 year olds? I know quite a few MF/UMM for which the level directly before partner doesn't clear that - admittedly they are european funds, so likely stingier.
It is fair that European funds pay less. Most American shops will pay VP $550-800k depending on seniority and Directors (level below partner) $900k+.
Not sure about European funds but ultimately what matters is carry
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