Most bloated/lean UMM/MF firms?
What are the most bloated or lean UMMs/MFs? Does this correlate to comp/difficulty in being promoted?
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Apollo, Genstar, and Clearlake are all pretty lean. On average, I would expect leaner firms to tend to pay more and have more opportunity for internal promotion but hard to make a definitive claim. For example, Centerbridge has historically paid very well but is relatively bloated with respect to headcount.
I have heard anecdotally from friends it is tough to get promoted at Genstar since they want to keep it very lean. Also have a strict MBA requirement
This is just false. Genstar has no MBA requirement and actively wants to direct promote.
Apax and CVC are quite lean in NY.
But they have very low deal velocity in the U.S. As others have alluded to, the metric should be # heads / team that also factors in level of deal activity which is the most important if you want to lateral to another shop / get promoted
Lol so much misinformation on this website
BC Partners, Lindsay Goldberg, AmSec, and Clearlake have historically been pretty lean. Carlyle is pretty bloated, as well as Centerbridge and Partners Group
BC probably bloated / good people leaving given latest fundraise
I'd disagree with that - if you look at competing $7bn - 9bn funds, they have significantly more (>80 - 100+) IPs (see Nordic, Hg, or Stone Point). I agree they're not doing well recently, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they have much fewer IPs than normal (which is ~50 - 60).
BC in Europe is falling apart. All good people leave / try to leave
Have heard the North American investments have generally been better - is that true? Curious to know.
Carlyle's AlpInvest is one of their leaner teams (relative to the rest of CG)
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