Hey monkeys, i’m curious to hear what sort of returns the multi family market rate development crowd is underwriting to today. Specifically I’m curious to hear about development spreads, IRR‘s, equity multiples, and profit on cost. Would also be great to hear generally which markets you’re working in. 
Thanks!
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go to a bisnow event, and ask that question. you are associate 2, you should be dialed into market dynamics of YoC and IRR. Subjective question my guy. Just let it rip. Buy land at $100K per door, it will pencil and we will be at $5 rents in no time. Let's build for the tech companies, all their employees are the only ones that need housing. Cardone will buy it for 2 cap and rents will rip at 5-10%!! No one is owning multis anymore, LET HER RIP!!!!
Grant Cardone, the great bailsmen of the MF industry. God bless this man and his ability to bail out every MF dev/acq shop out of poor investments. He is truly a robinhood figure for us when we need to exit. Lord and Savior Cardone!
Somebody should start a shop whose entire strategy is BtC - Build to Cardone.
Great question given how much rates have moved in the last 12 months. I think the answer here is likely with the capital markets (sales) guys and gals. The real question is have going in cap rates moved significantly or are buyers pricing through rate hikes and risking deleveraging their acquisition at least until their rent growth assumptions get them out of jail?
Urban core development right now is trading in our market at 3-3.25% cap. I’m trying to hit a 5.25% stabilized YOC. It’s really tough. My next deal will likely be at a 5.0% when numbers shake out.
In a similar place. Seeing trades at 3.5-3.75 and aiming at 5.5-5.75 stabilized yield.
Your YOC will be in the 5s but will your exit cap be in the 3s at completion? Honest question
Work a major developer/PE shop in the NY market and there's definitely still a lot of dry powder. We've been pushing underwriting HARD and still having no problems getting deals funded. Market rate multi yields between 5.25%-5.75% depending on location/timing and generally 20%+ & 2x+ returns. Market industrial yield spreads probably hovering around 75 bps over ~3.75% spot if it's got enough a short shot clock cause you can still hit 20%+ 2x+ returns.
Note: This is all generally on underwriting that usually has a historically high basis and relies on above-average rent growth.
Impressive you can still it a 20%+ IRR with a mid-low yield how long is your pre-dev term? We're just getting killed on entitlement timelines (SoCal) and are seeing IRRs more like 15-17% with the same yield.
Yea makes sense....I'm generally referencing projects that are 6-12 months from breaking ground. Working through a 12-24 month entitlement process on another and we're shaking out closer to 6% YOC
5.25-5.75 garden style and midrise, Boston.
I just received an equity request for ground up multi (3-4 story garden style) in Huntsville Alabama with an untrended ROC% of 5.45% which trends to 5.75% in year 3.
That trended feels conservative assuming they’re not overstating market today, inflation is real, wage growth is real, and rental rates will keep pace in my opinion
100%..it isn't a brokered deal. It's 3.0% market rent growth. ROC% isn't a great metric to evaluate deals anymore. You really have to look at cash-on-cash %. If the 10-year increases 150 bps from 250bps that's 50-60% increase in debt service payments. That ~10% annual NOI growth for 5 years just to break even from cash on cash perspective. Even higher required rent growth. The conversation has rapidly changed from debt yield to DSCR metrics.
Would you say developers are now primarily analyzing projects on a cash on cash basis ?
Why would return on cost be a bad metric? Cash on cash makes it tough as it is very dependent on the financing markets. The reason ROC is a great tool is it allows you to compare apples to apples every time. With different financing structures and leverage levels of each deal, cash on cash is a hard way to evaluate.
Return on cost works well in a low interest rate environment. Why would you be the equity in a multifamily development deal today at a 5.25% return on cost when the debt is making 5.0%+ at a last dollar exposure of 65% LTC.
That doesn’t make ROC useless. It just means maybe you don’t want to do the deal based on the returns. You’re using ROC in this instance to tell you not to do the deal. That means it’s useful. Just saying. It would work just as well in a high interest rate environment. If rates were 6% and your ROC was 8% I bet you would do the deal.
It works well in most environments. You can make a strong case that it isn't a great metric when you're seeing a major realignment in monetary policy, like we are right now, when the debt markets are adjusting a lot faster to the new normal than equity markets are. However, I don't think that means it only works well in low interest rate environments. If we get to a point where Treasuries are consistently 4%+ and inflation is high, you'll see equity start demanding higher ROC as well. But you've got a shitload of dry powder out there that committed when a 5-6% return on cost was a great deal, and the people allocating that money aren't going to be as motivated to sit on the sidelines and wait for a new equilibrium, because their focus is putting out cash so they can drive fee revenue.
All of this also ignores the myriad other reasons people are investing beyond top level returns. I can depreciate my real estate investment, which is worth quite a bit versus a typical paper security and wouldn't be reflected in a cash on cash analysis. Maybe there is a 1031 or other tax play involved. Maybe you see investment at June 2021 terms, but LPs are getting a more favorable waterfall or a piece of the GP.
I don't think you're wrong in this specific instance, on April 25, 2022, but the fact that it's not a great metric literally today does not mean it's got no value in the broad sense of "it only works when rates are xx%".
Starting in development soon. How is yield on cost used in relation to market cap rates for back of the envelope math - development spread? Is untrended or trended yield on cost used against today’s market cap to determine the development spread? How is development spread used to then estimate profit (nominal dollars or in percentage terms)?
build at a 5.5% YOC and sell at a 4% cap. the difference is gravy.
Would that 5.5% YoC be as of today (untrended) or at the time of stabilization (trended)? I’m assuming its trended / at the time of stabilization since you’re comparing it to the cap rate at which the property would be sold.
Trend hard costs to infinity and rents to infinity and see what wins.
100+bps spread on YOC and Cap rate, high teens IRR, 1%/mo HC escalation, trend rents till your exit looks to good to be true.
Bingo. And if you only grow taxes at 2% growth and your rents are 3 then you’re juicing your numbers even more. Show a ROC from con start and you’ll be stronger.. 1% a month cost growth would crush any deal though, especially if it’s before taking the land down or any entitlements/permitting. That could be at least 24 months worth of compounding? That’s a lot and would kill any ROC right now. Show two metrics in that case with todays rents/todays costs without escalation and same with escalation included..
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