Do you think it's justifiable to ask for 25% of the GP for being the fund raiser for the projects?

I may be able to bring an LP who is willing to commit essentially more capital than we could possibly put to use with the size of our projects. I haven't yet finalized my compensation structure with the GP, and I have done some sensitivity tables of what I would earn based on potential IRR's of the project. I could obviously get basically nothing if the GP screws up with the operations, or the market turns sour, and we don't earn our promote (but would earn part of the 1% asset management fee).

But I've taken a ton of meetings, done a lot of work on the presentations, gotten some great interested parties, and the GP is unwilling to settle our end of the contract (and I think would be very dumb to not do so) right now. We are halting discussions until we can come to an agreement on our end. I think for the amount of work I'm doing, the risk I am taking by not taking cash compensation, additional risk I am taking by not being in the LP box, but rather taking a share of the GP, 25% is not unreasonable. In terms of the value I'm bringing, it's probably half the value, and in terms of the amount of work, it will probably be 15-20% as much work as the investment team does. Then again, they will be compensated outside of me for a lot of that work, acquisitions and disposition fees, development fees, etc.

What do you think?

FYI, the investment team is just two guys.

 

If you're committing yourself financially, and taking on risk, then sure, go for it.

If you want 25% of the developer's upside merely for placing equity, then expect to be laughed out of the room

 

I doubt an LP who was introduced via this guy is doing a 99/1 deal with a firm they don't even know.

To your point about needing more information, you are right. However, I ran it based on a hypothetical scenario in which he received 20% of the promote and the result provided him 4x the expected value than if he was merely an LP. Now, if you tell him that he can participate in the upside of Dev Fees, GC fees, Dispo Fees, Management Fees, his expected value is going to be that much greater. Perhaps even as high as 6x what he would receive if he receive LP economics.

To Ozymandia point, I do not think the "value" he provided is worth 20% of the promote and perhaps fees.

OP - Did the sponsor retain you with some sort of contract stipulating that you were their equity placement broker? Or did you merely introduce them to someone without a deal in place and now you are asking for 20% of the promote? Next time, I would make sure you have this all in writing before you make the connection. Otherwise, this is the risk you run.

 
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I doubt an LP who was introduced via this guy is doing a 99/1 deal with a firm they don't even know.

To your point about needing more information, you are right. However, I ran it based on a hypothetical scenario in which he received 20% of the promote and the result provided him 4x the expected value than if he was merely an LP. Now, if you tell him that he can participate in the upside of Dev Fees, GC fees, Dispo Fees, Management Fees, his expected value is going to be that much greater. Perhaps even as high as 6x what he would receive if he receive LP economics.

To Ozymandia point, I do not think the "value" he provided is worth 20% of the promote and perhaps fees.

OP - Did the sponsor retain you with some sort of contract stipulating that you were their equity placement broker? Or did you merely introduce them to someone without a deal in place and now you are asking for 20% of the promote? Next time, I would make sure you have this all in writing before you make the connection. Otherwise, this is the risk you run.

They retained me, we just are re-negotiating the terms of payment.

It will probably be a 95/5 deal, as the LP wants the GP to have significant skin in the game.

If the property level IRR is 27.7% (which is pretty darn good), and the structure is 9 pref 80/20 til 15% property irr 70/30 til 20% property irr 60/40 therafter

and I were charging 4% of LP equity, that would equate to 13.17% of GP promote.

I am not proposing taking a percent for the development fee. But if the property returns 20%, it's the equivalent of me getting 20% of promote and asset management fee. If the property returned 15% irr, my take would equate to 35% of GP promote and asset fee. And of course there's a chance the deals go terribly and I earn basically nothing.

So it's all about risk-weighted returns. If I run the DCF on the project and compare the dcf invested as an LP vs dcf of my equity as a GP, I would guess that it very closely supports my ask.

Yes they will be doing more work than me identifying projects, and for that they would make 3 times what I would make. They will also have a development fee that will earn them potentially more than I would earn on the entire deal.

So while you ran one scenario, you didn't run a whole bunch of other scenarios, and you didn't run a dcf, which would show the later dates of payment, and the much higher discount rate for GP cash flows vs LP cash flows.

So what do you think is fair then, for me to ask for?

Would you mind attaching an excel of your calculation? I want to make sure I am understanding your point.

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