MBA rankings 2023
How does everyone feel about the new 2023 MBA rankings? I’m glad to see that Booth is at no.1 with Wharton
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I mean, I am happy for Booth too. But no one seriously believes that HSW are not the top programs
Even as a Booth alum I'm never going to put them ahead of HSW
Yeah that’s understandable I go to UChicago undergrad and I agree. Still nice to see them ranked highly though, it might give them a bit of a better perception with prospective students and companies
That site has terrible rankings. Booth ahead of GSB and HBS? Kellogg ahead of HBS and on the same level as GSB? The law school rankings are also a joke with UChicago over HLS. If only there was publicly available cross admit data to show how ridiculous these rankings really are.
I’m wondering if these rankings will actually change public and eventually professional perception.
Honestly, UChicago law could be number one simply because they have Posner.
I would rather study under Posner than anyone at YLS or HLS.
Any ranking without GSB or HBS at #1 has no credibility.
Rankings change each year - So that's why there is a good outline to use when evaluating where to apply/attend.
#1 - H/S - If someone says they attend Harvard - they mean they attend Harvard. Same for Stanford
#3 - W - If someone says they attend Top 3 or H/S/W - assume they mean Wharton.
#4-7 - Someone says they attend M7 - Assume its either Booth/Kellogg/Sloan/CBS
This wraps up your M7.
#8 - Haas is like your guaranteed #8. If you watch F1 - you know like Pierre Gasly last year and his P6 finishes - consistently? Same with Haas - consistent 8th.
#9-11 - Yale SOM/Tuck/NYU - in no particular order.
This wraps up your T10.
#12-14 - Ross/Darden/Fuqua - in no particular order.
#15 - Johnson
This wraps up your T15.
#16-17 - UCLA/USC - in no particular order.
#18-20 - McCombs/Tepper/UNC - in no particular order.
This wraps up your T20.
#21-25 - Really debatable - You have Gtown/Kelley/Rice/Owens/Foster/Mendoza/Scheller/Emory/Olin.
There have been years where Wharton was #1 - but in most cases if you were admitted to H/S and W - you would pick H/S - given everything else is the same. Same with Booth being #1.
Current rankings have Yale at # 7 - does that make them your new M7? No. Does that make CBS - no longer part of M7? No. Unless these rankings are consistent over a long period of time.
But aren't these tierings from rankings in the 90s and early 2000s? GSB and HBS have historically been ranked 1/2 in the past few decades, with W as #3, that's where we got HSW from no?
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That is true! It is based on rankings from 90s but if you look at the trends now - the rankings still apply. With maybe the exception of CBS/Haas - where Haas has been consistently 7th (Apologies as my original comment says 8th) and CBS has been 8th. But rest of the M7 has been mostly the same.
#9-15 the tiering "kind-of" applies - since the rankings for these schools fluctuate a lot - but nevertheless the schools in this range of 6 are the same (SOM/Tuck/NYU/Ross/Darden/Fuqua).
A nuance, but I think once you start to dip into the #15-#25 range, your geographic and professional preferences start to play a big factor in how you should evaluate schools. Some of those schools have top programs in certain industries, others are much more relevant within their geography, etc. It's fairly understandable that they're all a big jumble because the rankings at that point (should) be quite candidate-dependent, whereas H/S/W is H/S/W.
USNews can't come out with the same rankings every year... just picture the USNews analyst crunching the numbers in their 'propietary system.' It always spits out the same thing, but they need to generate buzz and stay relevant, so the editor/MD steps in and does something like drop Harvard and Stanford and pick someone else in the top 5 to gush over.
Companies aren't adjusting their recruiting strategies to accommodate yoy changes for this bs list.
I'd almost put Wharton near HBS so it's more like S/WH. There's no doubt that HBS has had an incredible historical track record but they've really fallen out of favor the last 3-5 years and yields have come down a lot. Could be W throwing money at people with H/S offers.
Seems you're knowledgeable on MBA admissions, and am a current first year considering doing PE stint to MBA to some type of strategy role and moving back home (Tier 2 city). Anyways, thoughts on admittance into H/W? Graduated Cum Laude, 31 ACT, multiple positions in a social fraternity and started a behavioral finance club. Would also enjoy some input, if I'm already in Banking, is an MBA worth it? My personal thinking is it'd be hard to turn down H/W, but also think it has marginal return, at best.
Depends on what you want to do - there’s lots of great buy side opportunities post MBA. I would say at W it’s very typical to see people with IB + PE experience here. They’re called 2 + 2s. Many people after doing IB + PE also do a year secondment at their fund investment or something in tech before joining as well.
There's just really not that much HBS can offer that Wharton can't especially when W throws some money at candidates. I think from other M7s are starting to win a bit more cross admits from W, and W from H.
Throwing money around is absolutely a huge factor these days, especially for non-finance backgrounds; I mean look at all these fucking threads popping up questioning whether an MBA is worth it. All the other M7s are putting on their H/S admissions hats and throwing 1yr+ of tuition to people they think are getting into H/S (although...may not apply for the finance crowd where they know they'll lose out in a cross admit situation anyway).
You have to realize that m7 is really a made up term. All schools in the top 15 are great. Many idiots from h/SW. but that doesn’t make them bad schools. That said, booth is a great school and underrated. Most folks here are Wharton Hardos.
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