St. Gallen (HSG) MBF vs Imperial F&A for non-german speaker

Hi guys, I’ve been admitted to  HSG’s MBF and Imperial's Finance and Accounting. Any help or insight is apppreciated. (Waitlisted from LBS aswl)

To preface: I am an EU national, and I don’t speak German nor any other “major” language. I have ~6 mos internship experience at a T2 consulting firm. Ideally, I’d like to work in London ib/pe. I also scored an interview + AC for a BB in London last month but failed to convert.

Ill list some pros and doubt/cons for both starting with HSG MBF

PROS:

  • Most importantly: for me it’ll be AT LEAST 60-70kEUR cheaper than imperial if i have to finance the entire tuition as I’d have to use debt
  • Flagship programme
  • Ranked better on FT
  • Smaller cohort and seems to be more selective/prestigious
  • Better course selection
  • 1.5-2yrs

CONS:

  • The opportunities and network skews toward German-speakers and the DACH market
  • Program seems to be the definiton of a feeder for DACH MBB (~25% cohort placement), which in my opinion muddies the statistics heavily and raises questions on IB/PE placement

Additionally, my bachelor program has been quite international and in a very lively city, which I’ve quite enjoyed. This seems to be the polar opposite of St Gallen’s milieu which does not sound appealing to live in for nearly two years.

Imperial F&A

PROs

  • In London
  • Social Life
  • Although the programme and bschool aren’t very prestigious, Imperial itself is super well known everywhere and highly ranked
  • Places c. 40% in London
  • Get to stay in UK for two years after graduation
  • More academically rigorous(?) than HSG

CONS

  • Expensive
  • Not the flagship programme -> places slightly worse %-wise than MFi
  • Placements also seem to be somewhat inconsistent, subpar, and lose to the MFi
  • Class profile seems to be a mixed bag (less selective? / maybe easier to stand out)
  • 1 year (pro or con?)

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's a breakdown of your options and considerations for HSG's MBF vs. Imperial's Finance and Accounting program:

HSG MBF (St. Gallen)

Pros:

  1. Cost Advantage: HSG is significantly cheaper, saving you at least €60-70k compared to Imperial. This is a major factor, especially if you're financing through debt.
  2. Prestige & Selectivity: The MBF program is highly ranked (e.g., FT rankings) and considered a flagship program, which adds weight to your CV.
  3. Course Flexibility: The program offers a strong curriculum with a focus on finance, making it appealing for IB/PE roles.
  4. Smaller Cohort: A more selective and intimate cohort can lead to better networking opportunities within the program.

Cons:

  1. Language Barrier: The network and opportunities heavily favor German speakers and the DACH region (Germany, Austria, Switzerland). Without German proficiency, you may find it harder to leverage the alumni network or secure local internships.
  2. Placement Bias: HSG's stats are skewed toward DACH MBB placements, which may not align with your goal of working in London IB/PE.
  3. Lifestyle: St. Gallen is a small, quiet town, which might feel isolating compared to the vibrant, international environment you're used to.

Imperial Finance & Accounting

Pros:

  1. Location: Being in London places you at the heart of the financial hub, with direct access to networking events, internships, and job opportunities in IB/PE.
  2. Post-Study Work Visa: The UK allows you to stay for two years after graduation, giving you more time to secure a role in London.
  3. Social Life: London offers a dynamic and international lifestyle, which aligns with your preference for a lively environment.
  4. Imperial's Reputation: While the F&A program isn't the flagship, Imperial College London is globally recognized, which can help with brand recognition.

Cons:

  1. Cost: Even with a scholarship, Imperial is significantly more expensive than HSG, which could be a financial burden.
  2. Program Prestige: The F&A program is not as highly regarded as HSG's MBF or even Imperial's MFin, which could impact placement outcomes.
  3. Inconsistent Placements: While 40% of graduates place in London, the outcomes can be inconsistent, and the class profile may not be as strong or selective.

Key Considerations for Your Goals (London IB/PE):

  1. Language & Network: Without German proficiency, HSG's network and placement opportunities in the DACH region may not be as accessible. Imperial, on the other hand, positions you directly in London, where you aim to work.
  2. Cost vs. ROI: HSG offers a better financial deal, but the lack of direct access to London IB/PE roles could limit your ROI. Imperial's higher cost comes with the advantage of proximity to your target market.
  3. Lifestyle Fit: If you value a vibrant, international environment, London (Imperial) aligns better with your preferences than St. Gallen.

Recommendation:

If your primary goal is to break into London IB/PE, Imperial's Finance & Accounting program may be the better choice despite the higher cost. The location, access to the London job market, and post-study work visa provide a clear advantage. However, if cost is a significant concern and you're open to exploring opportunities in the DACH region or leveraging HSG's strong brand for a later move to London, HSG MBF could still be a viable option.

Ultimately, weigh the financial burden against the strategic advantage of being in London. If you can manage the cost, Imperial's proximity to your target market might be worth the investment.

Sources: MSF Class of 2018, 20 Most Frequently Asked Questions - London Edition, Is target MSc Finance still possible in my situation? (Bocconi, HEC, LSE, HSG....), 20 Most Frequently Asked Questions - London Edition, Imperial MSc Finance and Accounting vs. ESCP MiM vs. IE MIF

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I think if your goal is to work in London, then Imperial will give you an advantage with the 2-year visa-free program. HSG places well in London too, no doubt about that, but you are right when it comes to statistics being skewed because of the majority placement in the DACH region.

How long did they give you to accept their offers? It might be worth waiting a little bit and seeing how LBS plays out, as it is definitely stronger than Imperial when it comes to the MIF program.

 

BiggestMonkey21

What did you decide on in the end?

I still have time to decide but if I don't get lbs I’m leaning heavily toward hsg.

 

What's making you lean that way? Not that I disagree, I would probably do the same considering the placement + MBF being the flagship programme .

By the way, did you apply to HEC? 

 
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The main reason is I'm really not keen on spending 80k for a second-rate programme, if it was the mfi I'd probably be more inclined towards imperial. 

One thing that I found is that despite the consensus of online discourse that F&A and mfi are practically the same, F&A hasn't been placing anywhere near it and has had pretty abysmal placement in the past year (tbf that goes for every top msc). An alumna said she suspects it is because f&a is simply less selective which leads to worse profiles on average, not because of the programme itself, which I also believe.

Meanwhile MBF has very good german-speaking students who have a decade of experience before they even start at hsg, while "true" internationals don't always place very well. 

Therefore I'm leaning towards the conclusion that an average profile or one similar to mine will probs have the same standing from either programme, and imperial is not worth the big price tag.

I did also apply to hec (rejected after interview) and bocconi (results will come too late)

 

Ask Imperial for an extension and say you need a bit more time to secure the funds. 
Tell LBS you have an Imperial (just imperial, not F&A, for the points you note vs MFI) offer with a date before theirs and would like to know if they release their result 10 days early.

 

Hi finnflash, fellow Finn here.

Congrats on the HSG offer, did you take it? I highly recommend HSG over Imperial even if you want to work in London. The financial cost is brutal if you don't have family money.

I just applied a week ago for round 2 HSG MBF, by far my #1 desired choice. Also applied to SSE MSc Fin. Considering HEC and a niche non-HSG Swiss program and some German programs as well. Was eyeballing the London schools but it's just so expensive it would be out of reach when combined with living costs.

I have done some Nordic banking internships and worked full time in Germany for 1 year now to save up some €€ for school & lifestyle. GMAT 645, 4.0/5 GPA (Hanken), german+fin+swe native speaker. Not sure what my odds are for the above programs, just hope to get something. 

I tried to send you a pm but I just created this account so I was blocked from sending it. Would be nice to connect 

 

Yes, committed to HSG, a bit bummed about LBS but at least I won't be buried in debt upon graduation. 

I think you have a decent chances, I know people with 655s and no work experience who atleast made it to the interview at HEC. Granted, they might have had higher GPAs (I'm not familiar with finnish uni grading tbf), but they place a lot of importance on internships / work exp aswl. SSE MFI is surprisingly selective, applied there in early admission but I was deferred to first round.

Toivottavasti nähään sveitsissä ;)

 

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