What are some of the best non ivy schools for investment banking? (non ivy as well as Duke, Stanford. etc.)
I know at this point that I wont be going to an ivy league, but I know I can make it to wall street as an investment banker, anyone know any good schools for investment banking excluding the ivy's and should be ivy schools?
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UVA and UMich, and I would assume UCB, UCLA, UNC, and UTA, though those last four may be strongest in SF/LA, CLT, and HOU respectively, but I think UNC and UTA still send some to New York
Berkeley sends a decent amount to NY, and USC > UCLA for all regions.
USC > UCLA for analyst
UCLA > USC for associate
yeah UCLA is not great for IB
UNC is a target for like half the BBs in NY
Can confirm. When studying at Duke, several on campus recruiting sessions at Duke were attended by UNC students as a Duke/UNC joint session. They recruited well into MM and some EB also. When I was working at one of the more "notable" MMs in NYC, many members of my class were from both Duke and UNC.
In addition, I'd put my alma mater (Duke) as one of the best schools to recruit for NYC IBD. It's had many strong years, especially 2015-2018, but 2019 and 2020 recruiting, the school did not recruit as strongly (but still decently). A majority of the people involved were particularly focused on EBs and fewer placed BB. Nonetheless, IB remains one of the most sought after jobs among Blue Devils.
Georgetown
IU, Notre dame, UIUC for chi / can place in nyc
Duke
Northwestern, Duke, Georgetown, U Chicago, UMich Ross, NYU stern obviously, UVA, UNC, Amherst, Williams, Hopkins, Notre Dame (in no order)
Sure about Northwestern? Isn't it very hard to land NY roles?
No, it’s pretty easy. Source: went there, work in NY.
You see more people choosing Chicago offices just because many people want to work in Chicago, but there’s Northwestern grads everywhere in NY/ GS, MS, Barclays, BAML, Evercore, Centerview, JPM, etc.
Hopkins is also a non-core school for IB. Great school obviously, but no real recruiting.
Solid recruiting for BBs (especially GS, MS, CS take 2 a year, JP, Barclays more like 1 per year) and a handful have gone direct to buy side past few cycles (Blackstone, GA, BVP, Bain cap). Harder for EBs but have had a handful at Evercore and Moelis the last few years.
Very impressive on per capita basis (literally ~10 kids per year recruit IB, anyone who’s halfway competent and networks hard will place BB/EB). Diversity also recruits insanely well (MS sophomore IB, GS sophomore IB, etc.)
UT Austin. The IB orgs have good track record, but other students still break into banking. Places well in Houston and the few firms with seats in Dallas (HL, JPM, etc), but will also send a few each year to various firms in NY and SF. Evercore and Moelis also tend to take a few each year in NY. School is also beginning to see some go direct to the buyside (BX, Apax).
Worthy disclaimer - UT accepts 8% of their out of state applicants. They have to guarantee at least 75% of their spots to auto admits, so it’s essentially always reach for out of state kids. Especially for McCombs.
Would like to add class of 2021 UTA along with the mentioned above has the following NYC (i'm sure i'm missing some): P72, PJT, MS, PWP, Jefferies, Citi, UBS. Evercore and P72 NYC in particular have a pretty big pipeline at UTA.
University of Chicago places very well, MIT too (most think they are above IB at MIT though). Duke, NYU, Mich, GTown also have strong placement. Lastly, Williams & Amherst are pretty superb if you want to go into finance.
omg. love.....your username. Like obsessed w Federer hehe - And from my impression - liberal arts (think Colby, Hamilton, Lehigh) combine sometimes meaning an analyst from Colby likes a Lehigh kid - Boston College - Georgetown - UVA - NYU - Notre Dame - UNC - UMich ..that's all I can think rn
Wouldn’t consider Lehigh the same tier as the NESCACs. More like Colby bates hamilton Connecticut etc
MIT, Vanderbilt, Duke, USC, Michigan, UVA, NYU, UChicago
Some of these, like MIT, may not have a high number of people going into IB, but that’s due to interest (If i was smart enough to get into MIT id be doing tech), but if you really wanted to IB you can get in from any of the above
Personally don’t see a ton of Vandy at my BB so do not fully agree but pretty sure they eat up roles in the southern-based MMS/boutiques (Charlotte, Atlanta, Florida)
Love thee Notre Dame
Surprised no one said it but Stanford
Georgetown, Stern, Michigan, UVA, UNC, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, BC for NYC BB
This is the list for breaking in to BB without being top 1% of class, diversity program, varsity athlete etc.
Anecdotal, but Colgate, Babson, U Miami, Fordham, Bates, Texas A&M are all underrated imo (for NYC BBs)
U Miami is a questionable pick. I'm not sure if those that break in are breaking in on their own merit by hustling and networking or due to connections.
This is a terrible list. You'd have to be top 1% from most of these schools. Colgate is a small feeder for BAML and Barclays, and the only target/semi-target school here. Fordham and Bates have decent presence at Barclays as well I think. But these are not target or semi-target schools. The kids who place into BBs from Fordham are top of their class, have spent all of college doing boutique IB internships during school etc.
lol Fordham, I’d replace it with Baruch if anything
in the target bucket: Duke, UVA, Berkeley/Haas, Ross, Chicago, GTown, Northwestern (more consulting than finance but still target), ND/Mendoza, MIT (more tech / consulting than finance), Stern (more finance than consulting), Williams, Amherst, Middlebury.
in the semi-target bucket: Kelley Workshops, UT-A/McCombs (more consulting / tech than finance), Vandy (more consulting than finance), USC/Marshall, BC/Carroll (more finance than most other things), UNC-CH/KF, Emory/Goizueta, UCLA (more consulting / tech than finance), WUSTL/Olin (more consulting than finance), UMich Non-Ross (more tech / consulting than finance), NYU Non-Stern (more tech / finance than consulting), Wake Forest/WFBS, Rice (more consulting than finance), CMU/Tepper (more tech / consulting than finance), JHU/Carey (more consulting / further study than finance), Washington & Lee, Claremont McKenna, Colgate, Pomona (more consulting than finance), Swarthmore (more tech / further stud than finance), Wesleyan, Bowdoin, Hamilton, Davidson, Colby, Wellesley
in the weak semi-target / strong non-target bucket: SMU/Cox, UIUC/Gies, BYU/Marriott, BU/Questrom, Penn State/Smeal, Texas A&M/Mays, IU/Kelley Non-Workshops, Villanova/VSB, UGA/Terry, Wisconsin/WSB, Baruch, Northeastern/D’Amore McKim, Rutgers/RBS, OSU/Fisher, UF/Warrington, UMD/Smith, Lehigh/LUCoB, UMiami/Herbert, GA Tech/Scheller, Bucknell
My guy said, “anywhere, bruh”
nah, once you get out of those schools placement is pretty much trash. so, more like.. “anywhere decent”.
From my class at MOE/LAZ/PJT:Duke, UT, Notre Dame, BC, USC, Northwestern, Michigan, IU, Vandy, SMU, etc
just say you work at moelis lmao
give Tulane some love
Michigan Ross. Some factors separating it from some other non-Ivys: Ability to land both NYC, Chicago, and West Coast gigs. Huge variety from getting looks from almost ALL of the BBs, EBs, and big MMs (with students going to each), though we do have pipelines and some lower representation at specific banks though the latter could be self-selection. Options at top VC and growth equity too, and MF PE and UMM PE firms in both credit/real estate positions as well as corporate PE (always a few top kids choosing it over IB). Michigan has one of the largest living alumni networks in the world, and our alums are known for their passion probably second to Notre Dame. Check out placement on the school and club websites.
Pretty much if you want it you can get it. You're not constrained by your school name except for maybe some HFs that Harvard/Wharton can break into undergrad.
Guys he straight up said excluding Duke/Stanford and other elite privates
Do these count as ivy caliber schools?
Williams, Amherst, Stern, UVA McIntire, Haas, Ross, UChicago, ND Mendoza, Georgetown
If those schools do count, then maybe aim for UNC, Fordham, IU, etc. They aren't targets like the schools above but they are easier to get into and still possible to break in wall street
UNC should not be lumped in that second list and is the most difficult OOS acceptance lol
My bad, should have replaced UNC with BC. Dont know what I was thinking
University of Phoenix
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