Quickest way to take risk

Hi, I'm wondering what career to go into if I want to take trades and manage risk.

I'm planning on going into equity research and then hopefully moving into a hedge fund analyst role. However, I don't want to be stuck covering one sector, and I don't want to be forced to write research that isn't 100% true/my opinion. I also don't want to have to be a PM to do whatever i want (within reason).

I've been looking into the trading side of Sales & Trading, but I'm not sure if you're forced to "be a salesman," or if there's a position where you can just trade without constantly asking for approval. When I look it up, the information is pretty vague and puts a lot of emphasis on market making, which I thought quants took over years ago.

What I'm asking:

  • What job lets you buy and sell whatever, cover multiple sectors?
  • Is there a role like this that exists besides running your own money?
  • Does S&T have HF analyst exits?
  • does sales and trading involve lots of reports and stock pitch?

If you want to cook me in comments its fine, but please answer my questions first.

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If you're looking for a career where you can take trades, manage risk, and have flexibility across sectors, here's what you need to know based on the most helpful WSO content:

  1. Job that lets you buy and sell across multiple sectors:

    • A Discretionary Hedge Fund Trader role might align with your goals. In this role, you can trade across various sectors and asset classes, provided you have a strong thesis and risk management framework. However, you’ll still need to justify your trades to your PM or risk committee.
    • Prop Trading is another option where you can trade with more autonomy, though it often comes with strict risk limits and performance expectations.
  2. Does such a role exist besides running your own money?

    • Yes, roles like Discretionary Hedge Fund Trader or Prop Trader allow you to trade without being confined to one sector. However, complete autonomy is rare unless you’re running your own book or fund. Even in these roles, you’ll need to align with the firm's risk parameters and investment philosophy.
  3. Does S&T have HF analyst exits?

    • Yes, but it’s less common compared to other roles like equity research or investment banking. Sales roles in S&T are generally harder to transition to the buy-side, as highlighted in WSO threads. However, trading roles in S&T can lead to hedge fund opportunities, especially if you’ve built a strong track record and network.
  4. Does Sales & Trading involve lots of reports and stock pitches?

    • Trading roles in S&T are less focused on reports and pitches compared to equity research. However, you’ll still need to communicate trade ideas and market views effectively, especially if you’re on a trading desk that collaborates with sales or research teams. Sales roles, on the other hand, involve more client interaction and pitching.

Key Takeaways:

  • If you want to trade across sectors with some autonomy, Discretionary Hedge Fund Trader or Prop Trader roles are your best bets.
  • S&T trading roles can lead to hedge fund exits, but sales roles are less likely to.
  • Equity research might not be ideal for you if you dislike writing reports or being confined to one sector.
  • Networking and building a strong track record are crucial for transitioning to roles with more autonomy.

Hope this clears things up! Let me know if you need more insights.

Sources: Q&A: I'm an Agricultural Commodities Trader, Q&A: I'm an Agricultural Commodities Trader, Q&A: Credit hedge fund analyst at MF, former BB trader, Q&A: 25 years Sales / Trading Experience, Conversation with an Equities Sales Trader

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Simple: Prop shop. Most will have you trading within 6 months. Market makers and OMMs especially. 

S&T is decent, but most won't have you trading your own book for like, a full year at least. 

 

While a prop shop is probably the quickest path to real risk, I would caution against a “quickest path at all costs” mentality. Make sure you are ready for the seat when the time comes. When you are still young, being a potential trader may be better than being a bad trader, especially if you end up struggling at a less reputable shop

(Plenty of successful examples of the fastest path to risk being the right one, but there are also plenty of examples of the opposite)

 

Stay in ER then exit to HF make it to PM probably quickest path unless you have a math/stats/coding background, then I would go for desks that take high levels of risk i.e 

Distressed Debt
Rates Trading
Derivatives Trading
Cash Risk Trading

Anything else you will just be doing agency bullshit executing trades and clicking the VWAP button pretending what you do is important 

 

I don't have pure math, but im doing well in stats and have more time in school to take higher classes and ik some coding (i learn myself but have option to take classes).

When you say i need this background, do you mean i need to have solid fundamental understanding on how these subjects apply to the market, or are you saying that trading has become/is something that requires PHD/quant level math, statistics, and coding.

 

You can get any job if you sell yourself properly but it's going to be harder to get looks or be taken serious/considered during internship rotations without the degree to back it up. I have met history & art majors that trade.

Example: you might be automatically sorted into sales roles with a pure Finance degree whilst a "STEM" intern rotates on the desks listed above. So now you have to talk to HR, network harder etc.

 

 

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