American culture: Why is the 'establishment' wrong on Obama/Trump but right on 'polished professionals'?

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It's a simple question, mostly aimed at all you Trump logicians. The anger coming from the Trump camp, being roiled up by Trump himself, is inflammatory and toxic. The fact that Trump himself is the furthest thing from polished like Obama, and that is part of the allure/charm, really points to full acceptance and appreciation by this camp of a different culture than what's been normal since the 80s.

Despite that Trump supposedly went to Penn, I would still think Obama is your perfect candidate for a professional role like banking: well-spoken, Harvard/strong pedigree education, played some sports, shows a love or interest in learning/education, etc. But that seems to not be as meaningful anymore. Why is it ok for the presidency but not everywhere else?

And what's the rationale with accepting someone who taps into the type of emotion that makes someone go out and commit heinous murders on people like blacks or Jews that we've seen recently?

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Oct 30, 2018

I was really interested to see what kind of responses you'd get here but I guess I'm not surprise that it has been tepid. I don't think staunch members of the right fundamentally support Trump as they might a Romney or McCain. They know that Trump is personally deplorable and probably, would have preferred any of the other the primary candidates he defeated, in the White House right now. However, he's the guy they've got and partisan politics being what it is today, they are (for lack of a better term) "ride or die." Policy wise (broadly speaking), Donald isn't doing anything that is outside the realm of what any other conservative president would consider. Again, on a a personal level, that is not the case....he is behaving like a complete ass and I don't believe that Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio etc. would have behaved in such a manner but, he does what energizes his base and everyone else is just along for the ride.

Oct 30, 2018

Obama was a bumbling clown without a TelePrompTer. Furthermore, I personally give a shit about action not bloivating.

Trump might blubber like a moron, but I love the tax cuts, the renegotiated trade, troops on the border and fighting back against the leftist press.

Polish my ass. I want a fucking skull crusher. And Obama was divisive as hell.

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Oct 30, 2018
TNA:

And Obama was black.

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Oct 30, 2018

You're such a bigot.

@WallStreetOasis.com this shit is bullshit. Editing my quotes is beyond the limit here.

Oct 30, 2018
Kassad:
TNA:

And Obama was black.

For the record, @TNA did not say this. Let's keep it clean guys

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Oct 30, 2018

You know who else is a fucking skull crusher....Vladimir Putin. Respect the hell out of the guy but I don't want him running the country I live in either...

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Oct 30, 2018

That's a rational example...

Putin isn't bound by the constitutional limits we have. The USA also didn't go through the upheavals that Russia did. To look at Putin within the framework of a US leader is shit.

Oct 30, 2018

I wouldn't put renegotiated trade in the past tense. If the tariffs and nafta games lead to solid trade deals I'll be ecstatic - but right now our portfolio companies margins are being fucked.

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Oct 30, 2018

To be very reductive, who do you want leading your country, a well polished person that supports none or very few of what you believe to be policies beneficial to you? or someone shitty who at least at face value, is pushing for policies that you believe will benefit you? Supreme Court seat was up for grabs and you can bet your ass Hilldawg wasn't going to put a conservative on the bench. That's why the deplorable comment hurt so much, it's the equivalent of Trump calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, reducing a group to least common terms, it just turns out that while Trump's comments were optically more divisive and easier fodder for the left, there are way more "deplorable's" than illegal immigrants and only one of the two groups can vote.

Hindsight is 20/20 but I live in a state (MD) that, similar to the presidential election (only two years prior), the Democratic candidate ran a pretty lackluster campaign after several years of being the LT gov of the incumbent gubernatorial rule. Surprise surprise! he got beat by our now current Governor and everyone was left scratching their heads. Red votes Red and Blue votes Blue unless the other side gives them something that can be reasonably construed as supporting their best interests.

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Oct 30, 2018

All I have to say here is thank goodness that we implemented the "no bump" feature for threads like this. @jgsantos I think we could even go so far to lead to even faster "demotion".

To let these annoying discussions float away into oblivion while still allowing a small minority of users to argue amongst themselves is probably the single greatest improvement to the UX on WSO since the redesign of our WSO Company Database.

So I'm just going to sit here and pat myself on the back with a smile on my face knowing that this comment (and every potentially angry comment after it) will not bump this discussion...

I wish we could have more substantiative discussions on politics (issue-based discussions), but I'm not delusional.

That is all, you may carry on now talking past each other now.
Patrick

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Oct 30, 2018
WallStreetOasis.com:

All I have to say here is thank goodness that we implemented the "no bump" feature for threads like this. @jgsantos I think we could even go so far as to automatically place that flag on discussions that have the word: trump, politics, obama, political, democrat, republican in the title...might lead to even faster "demotion".

To let these annoying discussions float away into oblivion while still allowing a small minority of users to argue amongst themselves is probably the single greatest improvement to the UX on WSO since the redesign of our WSO Company Database.

So I'm just going to sit here and pat myself on the back with a smile on my face knowing that this comment (and every potentially angry comment after it) will not bump this discussion...

I wish we could have more substantiative discussions on politics (issue-based discussions), but I'm not delusional.

That is all, you may carry on now talking past each other now.
Patrick

Is this a ban on anything politics related?

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Oct 30, 2018

no, it just stops political related threads from continually getting bumped to the top of the forum containers while a small handful of users go back and forth arguing past each other. In other words, for the 99% of other users that were subjected to these debates on a daily basis, they will be far less visible.

Oct 30, 2018
WallStreetOasis.com:

All I have to say here is thank goodness that we implemented the "no bump" feature for threads like this. @jgsantos I think we could even go so far as to automatically place that flag on discussions that have the word: trump, politics, obama, political, democrat, republican in the title...might lead to even faster "demotion".

To let these annoying discussions float away into oblivion while still allowing a small minority of users to argue amongst themselves is probably the single greatest improvement to the UX on WSO since the redesign of our WSO Company Database.

So I'm just going to sit here and pat myself on the back with a smile on my face knowing that this comment (and every potentially angry comment after it) will not bump this discussion...

I wish we could have more substantiative discussions on politics (issue-based discussions), but I'm not delusional.

That is all, you may carry on now talking past each other now.
Patrick

Google "The Paradox of Tolerance", Patrick.

I don't feel bad about rebutting the growing faction of hard/alt-right posters on your site who continue to make these non-finance related threads to disparage minorities, immigrants, and anyone who doesn't bow down to the Dear Leader. Even if you seemingly revoked my certified user designation because of it.

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Oct 30, 2018
  1. I don't know what you're talking about with your certified status being revoked. Please message [email protected] and I'll try to figure out why that happened. Or just email me from your work email and I'll fwd it to them
  2. My post wasn't about making anyone feel bad, it was to express my frustration with these discussions and explain to any users that may stumble across this thread (or any other political thread) that these will continue to get less attention for the improvement of the UX and promoting more constructive and educational dialogue.

Please, continue to fight the "growing faction" of hard/alt-right posters as much or as little as you would like. I think the balance of views is good -- unfortunately, the path the majority of these threads take is far from constructive.

In other news, members might actually learn something from reading this: https://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/a-contraria...

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Oct 30, 2018

I don't know that there are that many people who actually like the way he conducts himself. I'd guess ~75%+ of the people that voted for him did so because they wanted conservative supreme court justices, always vote for the pro life candidate, want lower taxes, etc. Of course there will always be some segment of the population that love people who act like he does. I mean how do you think Hitler came to power (I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler)? Do you think it was based on him promising the people he'd kill millions of Jews? No, he tapped into their angst and dissatisfaction with the status quo.

Kassad's comment above was funny, but the right wing is sick of the left wing's identity politics. People can dislike Obama because of his actual policies (Obamacare, weak on foreign policy, etc.). They like Trump because he's unapologetic about American exceptionalism and says what he thinks, which you're not allowed to do anymore outside of your home. With all this being said, I hate the way he conducts himself.

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Oct 30, 2018

Hitlers rise is clearly mapped by the rise of communism in Germany, the heavy handed fines and penalties post WWI and normal people choosing nationalism over communism, far leftism.

Pretty interesting when you compare it to today and what's going on politically around the world.

But that would require people to learn from history instead of endlessly repeating it.

Oct 30, 2018
MMBanker14:

I don't know that there are that many people who actually like the way he conducts himself. I'd guess ~75%+ of the people that voted for him did so because they wanted conservative supreme court justices, always vote for the pro life candidate, want lower taxes, etc. Of course there will always be some segment of the population that love people who act like he does. I mean how do you think Hitler came to power (I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler)? Do you think it was based on him promising the people he'd kill millions of Jews? No, he tapped into their angst and dissatisfaction with the status quo.

Kassad's comment above was funny, but the right wing is sick of the left wing's identity politics. People can dislike Obama because of his actual policies (Obamacare, weak on foreign policy, etc.). They like Trump because he's unapologetic about American exceptionalism and says what he thinks, which you're not allowed to do anymore outside of your home. With all this being said, I hate the way he conducts himself.

These are excellent points, thanks for the response. This seems to be along the right track, as I would be hesitant to jump to "racism" first. But if the right is ignited beyond low stakes, it seems only reasonable that stakes are pushed higher on the left. This definitely feels like and escalation in the identity war rather than just a sticking to the "conservative platform".

Then it makes you wonder the extent to the American culture of how we see ourselves and one another. That's why I compared it to banking recruiting. Not saying that will be affected, but maybe it will catalyze a deeper divide between those who are a great fit and those who aren't from a qualitative standpoint, as more people deepen their us vs them identity. The only way this heightened toxic culture doesn't become poisonous is if poor people and rich people continue to adopt more skills and other tangibles that unlock the future of the middle class at respectively appropriate rates.

Your post is interesting and t really makes you think.

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Oct 30, 2018

I agree with you. I don't see it getting less divisive anytime soon. Both parties seem to be moving further towards the extremes. Unfortunately, I don't see a moderate politician with national reach, and the last time this country was brought together was 9/11. It's the loudest couple percent on both sides that get all the air time on Fox News or MSNBC. Whether on cable or online, this small segment of the population has an outsized effect on the country. I don't really think people are worse to their neighbors who might have different political views, but hiding behind a keyboard makes it easier to stay in an echo chamber, and that just feeds on itself. The level of hatred is quite high, and the left and right have quite different views on what they want the country to look like in the future (democratic socialist-types vs. nationalistic-types).

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